Public opinion around JD Vance's visit to India and the trade negotiations is mixed, with a slight lean towards skepticism. Concerns are raised about Vance's qualifications and the potential negative impact of current U.S. trade policies, which are perceived as inconsistent and protectionist. There is a sense of cautious optimism about improving U.S.-India relations, mainly due to Vance's personal connections, but this is overshadowed by fears of economic isolation and protectionism influencing the talks.

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&gt; As President Trump uses tariffs as a weapon in his quest to even the score on trade with the world, Asia is emerging as target No. 1. And it’s not just because of China.
&gt; 
&gt; Asia is home to seven countries that run the biggest trade surpluses with the United States, Mr. Trump’s go-to yardstick. It has some of the biggest exporters of goods that Mr. Trump promised to tax, like Japanese and South Korean cars, Taiwanese chips and Indian drugs. Many of the region’s countries have become top destinations for Chinese goods and investment, evidence that Mr. Trump cites to accuse China of using a backdoor into the U.S. market.
&gt; 
&gt; Mr. Trump’s plan to upend the rules of world trade could hurt Asia because the region relies so much on the global economy. But it will also scramble supply chains and trade flows that are already undergoing change as companies have sought alternatives to China as the source of their goods.
&gt; 
&gt; The result could be a domino effect of protectionism, with countries turning inward and raising tariffs in response to American trade barriers, experts said. The upheaval could also generate a new cast of regional alliances and ultimately a reduction in the importance of the United States in trade with Asia.
&gt; 
&gt; “There is a risk that the U.S. really overplays its leverage,” said Simon Evenett, a professor at IMD Business School in Switzerland. “The U.S. market is still the biggest in the world but proportionally it is lower than it was 20 years ago.”
&gt; 
&gt; Since taking office a month ago, Mr. Trump has enacted a 10 percent tariff on imports from China and is poised in coming weeks to add wider import taxes of 25 percent or higher on cars, steel and aluminum, semiconductors, pharmaceuticals and lumber. He is also holding tariffs over Mexico and Canada, both of which have been stitched into American trade for decades by treaties, most recently by one signed by Mr. Trump in his first term.
&gt; 
&gt; Most strikingly, Mr. Trump has also promised “reciprocal tariffs,” which typically refer to one-for-one taxes on individual countries. He has said he will also base those tariffs on other factors that he says hurt the United States, such as a country’s currency exchange rates, tax policies and domestic subsidies to business.
&gt; 
&gt; The damage, economists warn, would be severe. Tariffs that have been announced on autos, semiconductors, energy and pharmaceuticals account for a quarter of the total exports from Asia, according to Morgan Stanley. Economic growth in the region will slow to 3.7 percent this year from 4 percent last year, according to Moody’s.
&gt; 
&gt; The outcome of Mr. Trump’s threat of “reciprocal tariffs” is less certain, because his proposal is potentially so far-reaching and depends on which misdemeanors the administration chooses to hone in on for any particular country.
&gt; 
&gt; The United States last year placed China, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and Vietnam on a watch list of countries believed to be manipulating their currencies, typically by keeping them low to bolster their exports at the expense of the United States, which last year imported a record $1.2 trillion more on than it exported.
&gt; 
&gt; Indonesia, Japan and Malaysia have tariffs on imported goods in certain sectors that are higher than American tariffs on those same goods. When it comes to Chinese investment in another Asian country, Vietnam sticks out. It has been one of the world’s biggest beneficiaries of factories moving out of China in recent years.
&gt; 
&gt; Some countries are responding by trying to soften the blow and, in some cases, lay the groundwork for deals with Washington. Vietnam has floated the possibility of importing more American soybeans and other agricultural products. India has cut its tariffs on bourbon. In South Korea, the government pledged $249.3 billion of trade financing to help its exporters that are hit by tariffs.
&gt; 
&gt; In the background is the constant threat of a new tariff from Mr. Trump — keeping governments, companies and experts on edge and potentially paralyzing global commerce. Markets have lurched up and down. Wall Street banks have diverted teams to run different tariff scenarios, spit out figures and quantify future risks. Economists are pulling their hair out — one likened the uncertainty to the early days of the global financial crisis when policymakers would wake to find that Washington had made major decisions like financial bailouts overnight.
&gt; 
&gt; As if these pressures were not enough, many Southeast Asian countries are contending with the fallout of a bruising, yearslong trade war between the United States and China that has shut out much of the U.S. market for Chinese goods, resulting in Chinese goods flooding into other markets. From Thailand to Indonesia, thousands of factories and firms have been put out of business by Chinese competitors. Some countries have responded with tariffs aimed at stemming the flood of goods from China.
&gt; 
&gt; “Now we have the biggest rival in our backyard and we have to worry about what are the reciprocal measures that are coming from the United States,” said Priyanka Kishore, an economist in Singapore and the founder of Asia Decoded, a consulting firm.
&gt; 
&gt; But the presence of cheap Chinese goods can also help Southeast Asian businesses reduce their costs, while providing an option for cheaper components than are available locally. Along the way, Chinese factories are setting up supply chains, hiring local employees and paying taxes in those countries. The risk is that Chinese companies end up dominating industries like Thailand’s electric vehicle sector.
&gt; 
&gt; Countries like Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam, which have signed trade agreements with multiple countries, might even benefit from having Chinese companies move in to set up manufacturing bases, said Manu Bhaskaran, a partner at Centennial Group, a policy advisory group.
&gt; 
&gt; It could risk the ire of Mr. Trump, who has railed against countries that are serving as a backdoor into the United States but these concerns are overblown, he said.
&gt; 
&gt; “If it is the case that a Chinese producer brings goods into a warehouse in Vietnam and then changes the labels, that is blatant bypassing of trade rules,” said Mr. Bhaskaran, who is based in Singapore.
&gt; 
&gt; On the other hand, he added, a company from China that opens a factory in a country like Vietnam and buys a large chunk of its goods locally is not typically seen as “bypassing tariffs.”
&gt; 
&gt; Some clear winners are emerging from the existing realignments of trade.
&gt; 
&gt; A recent economic trade zone established between Singapore and Malaysia has attracted both American and Chinese companies that can no longer manufacture in China because of tariffs.
&gt; 
&gt; But if other countries choose to turn inward as Mr. Trump is doing with the United States, throwing up trade barriers and tariffs, things will get more complicated.
&gt; 
&gt; “In Asia, we’re seeing supply chains becoming more regional,” said Albert Park, the chief economist for the Asian Development Bank in Manila. “So, if countries in the region stay open to trade and investment amongst themselves, then that’s a measure of safety or protection.”
&gt; 
&gt; These countries are growing the fastest and account for a much larger share of the global economy than before, he added. “You may just see more focus on investments catering to those markets, because they’re more stable.”

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I disagree. Just looking at the economic data, We are a very wealthy country, and we do a lot of valuable work. [We’ve seen labor productivity keep increasing.](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OPHNFB)

We do a lot of the very high value added labor. 

Like, I don’t want our people to change jobs to iPhone assembly, and I don’t want Southeast Asian iPhone assemblers to have to change jobs to subsistence farmers. That would just make us all poorer. 

I think Vance is just virtue signaling to rust belters in dying towns whose kids all left to big cities. 

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In part,ca lot of this outsourcing, particularly with China or countries that have no notion of IP, has led to western companies being taken in IP theft.

MadGobot

The consequence that we are now more reliant on foreign countries is real. However, the admin is presenting this as an inherent bad when it simply has pros and cons.

[Cato Institute wrote a great article](https://www.cato.org/publications/reality-american-deindustrialization) explaining the reality of the alleged decline in American manufacturing.

NoSky3

I did see this. I thought many of his criticisms were fair though I thought he could have done a better job in highlighting *why* some nations like China have managed to successfully move up the value chain while others have been significantly less successful in doing so. It's not as simple as "produce abroad and lose business to country X over the long term". It also has to do with how strict these countries are in enforcing technology transfers, local partner ownership, etc which we as a nation could push back much more forcefully on in trade negotiations.

I've more recently come to believe that the stronger argument for deglobalization is regaining control over critical raw materials, manufacturing capacity and technology which honestly hasn't been a big problem in the past until China demonstrated both the capability and willingness to weaponize it.

pocketdare

The products we take for granted in daily life would not exist if the world was like Vance wants it. Not even the US can produce something like a modern smartphone on its own for example. Prices on products would also be much higher than they are today. While it makes sense to be on guard for China, screwing over allies like they do now will only result in the consumer having to pay more. US is not 100% self reliant on everything, something this administration seems unable to understand.

HarrisonYeller

Globalization has criticisms, but not for Vance's reasons. The thing is that in the US, they still retained their development expertise, and that didn't really change as much. Whatever losses the US/Europe suffered to "developing" countries (who had manufacturing) was simply due to bad decisions from the companies. Like, the reason Intel lost out to TSMC wasn't because Taiwan had cheaper labour, its because Intel didn't innovate, while TSMC did. 

But I agree that cheap labour does stall innovation, but that's only as long as the labour is substantially cheaper than investing money into automation or whatever. However, the main bad thing with globalization and transitioning to a service economy is that realistically, only 30% of the population has the necessary skills to be successful in a service-heavy economy. If you balance it out between manufacturing and services, then everyone would have more or less the necessary skills to be successful. Globalization shifted the wealth to the 30% with the skills to be successful in a service-based economy and left the 70% that don't have the skills absolutely behind

maximusj9

Absolutely yes. 


We offshored literally almost everything and it has made us weaker. Global "free" trade was a lie.


The same "experts" who said there would be no consequences from global "free" trade said that China would be "liberalized" by said global "free" trade. 


As we are speaking, China has surpassed us in most sectors and has 232x the shipbuilding capacity of America. I genuinely would not be surprised if they defeat us if they invade Taiwan.


You tell me if there was no bad consequences of global "free" trade on America.


While other countries prospered off of global "free" trade and their own protectionism, we declined into nothing more than a consumer society.

epicjorjorsnake

thoughtsnquestions

Overall yes.  I’m not an economist or supply chain expert, but what he is presenting seems to make sense.   The gist I got is we do the innovating, but loose production ability, the other countries get production ability and are now rapidly gaining on the tech front. We are addicated to cheap labor.

219MSP

This could be a long discussion with a lot of nuance. I generally disagree with MAGA/Trump/Vance's vision of globalization and the economy. I think it's been and would continue to be a huge net positive for our economy and citizens.

Where it went horribly wrong was we left people behind. We should have assisted people displaced by the loss of manufacturing jobs much more than a callous "learn to code". If we had done this properly and used some of the wealth gained from globalization on social welfare, MAGA may never have become a thing.

I do think we need to maintain SOME manufacturing (and probably more than we do now) for national security concerns. A good example would be chips, which we are trying to bring back. Medicine would be another one.

I also think it's a bit weird Vance is arguing we should have higher value manufacturing that would bring higher labor costs... so that it leads to automation? So that those people would just lose their jobs anyway? That's a strange argument, but again it goes back to the above. As the pie expands but people get left behind, we got to make sure we have a safety net in place for those people to get back on their feet.

EDIT: BTW, I AM center-right of course. The way to help displaced and struggling workers is not just a larger safety net. Deregulation would help a lot, and I'm specifically thinking of housing costs. I am a firm believer that most of the ills we are seeing in society over the last 5-10 years is being driven by ever rising housing costs. We have to remove regulation and build build build.

wyc1inc

&gt;While wealthier nations expected to retain high-value design work while outsourcing production, manufacturing hubs eventually developed their own design expertise—creating a competitive disadvantage for countries that offshored their industrie

Objectively true - look at Chinese research into battery tech as simply one example. You can argue about it being government funded or whatever other issue, the point is that they developed their own expertise despite only receiving foreign investment for making cheap plastic trinkets. India is trying to do the same for IT

&gt;The VP also criticized reliance on cheap labor, calling it a "crutch" that inhibits innovation. He argued that offshoring and immigration have stalled productivity, while higher labor costs could drive technological advancements, as seen with automation spurred by rising wages.

Also true. The whole debacle with the shipping port strikes comes from them wanting to pass their physically limited crane operator licenses to their kids, while in China it's a solved problem thanks to automation (in that they simply don't have crane operators for shipyards).

We offshored production as it was, but didn't change anything about it letting us reap maximum short term benefits by cutting costs, but lose long term benefits by not being the innovators in the space

Lamballama

The upstart nation was a den of intellectual piracy. One of its top officials urged his countrymen to steal and copy foreign machinery. Across the ocean, a leading industrial power tried in vain to guard its trade secrets from the brash young rival.

In the late 18th and early 19th centuries, the rogue nation was the United States. The official endorsing thievery was Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton. And the main victim was Britain. ......

  
Read on, it's fun: [https://apnews.com/general-news-b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53](https://apnews.com/general-news-b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53)

xksurf

LucasL-L

Yeah, 100%. It was the impetus for Trump’s election ten years ago… when they were calling everyone racist for it.           
&amp;nbsp;

-though it is phrased wrong, right?          
The “crutch” is the criticism of what happened, not a conceit for how it would help?

itsakon

I 100% agree with vance. This is why I want him to be the next president.

throwaway09234023322

Its worse than what he described. Countries aren't developing their own design expertise. They're just outright stealing our designs.

Inksd4y

I agree with JD Vance here. Globalism has ultimately weakened and put Western nations and put them in a state of dependency on other nations. We have clearly crippled innovation in our own nation.

GreatSoulLord

I don’t care what these clowns say dude. They don’t mean any of it. Trump likes Putin, there’s something going on behind closed doors between those two cunts. 

Collectively, we should stop looking at the USA altogether. They betrayed us Europeans, and there’s that. There’s no coming back from this, the USA is no longer a friendly nation. I want everyone to understand this. The USA will do jack shit for us, we have to move on and be self reliant, because we can never trust the USA again.

Intelligent-Bit4250

I'm getting whiplash from the inconsistency in their announcements of "policy". Can they just politely shut the hell up until they actually want to commit to a position?

LegitimateLunch6681

Yeah, sure, they know putin will agree. They think Ukraine is stupid enough to buy into these promises and agree to their capitulation plan hoping putin won't. It's like America feels that Ukraine is slipping away.

februaryaquarius

I thought Vance said he didn’t give a shit about Ukraine?

eucharist3

The people under Trump are all over the place from "let russia have Ukraine" to "defend Ukraine at all costs" and a whole lot of (mostly nonsense) in between. What's worse, the various opinions held by different aids are often in direct conflict with each other -- and by aids who would sooner dump each other's bodies in the river than actually get work done. And Trump either doesn't know, or thinks that having his aids knife-fight for his attention is somehow productive.

Trump does not know shit, and doesn't care to learn a damn thing. He believes (more or less) what he's told, thinks he's told, hears as rumor, etc., and is easily manipulated. You can not look at / trust Trump an ounce farther than you can throw him, and I doubt most of you could even lift him.

HOW CAN THIS BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF?

Elevate the aids or other mouthpieces who back Ukraine, and related talking-points (eg. Zelensky recently said Putin is afraid of Trump). Try to do it wihout directly insulting the aids opposed, not because they are wrong (they are) but because double-dumb-assing them makes Trump defensive of them. Just fact-check and then ignore them, if you can, and make it seem like the more favorable sect of his aids are the bees knees.

It's all about clicks and headlines as they relate to Trump's ego, and if he feels like he made a great choice with Kellog or that this nonsense from Vance has substance, that messaging is worth 10x degrading Hegseth to Trump's face.

kmoonster

ForwardPersonality23

He's just pandering to make Trumpski seem less like a Putin-cuck than he actually is. No way in hell Trumpski will actually consider this ever.

Growlithez

Peskov just said that they won't give any of the territory back even with Kursk on the table. So there you have it. There's zero good faith, they want a total capitulation. Zelensky is basically showing up to the meeting to watch Putin flex his botox muscles with nothing to negotiate.

jesss46

Considering Russia just committed Nuclear terrorism, now seems like a great time.

But we know this administration is already bought and sold, so this is nothing but worthless word salad.

captain554

It's all performative. He's actually not the Vice President, Trump is. He's just the loser to fill a seat.

RockmanMike

Don't trust bitch named Trump, take our Finnish stance, politically be Finnished and get ready to kill everyone.

Roska83

After they cut US military spedign by half?

LawsonTse

I don't believe a word that comes out of these officials' mouths.

mister_boi98

That’s a pretty professional con. Watch out for Vance, he’s definitely a threat.

BoodaSRK

Why would Putin not accept the nicely gift wrapped package he’s already been given before any talks have even begun?

Trump has taken all his clothes off and bent over before Putin. Nobody’s going to take acting tough seriously after that.

Apologies for the appalling image 🫣

Rick-Deng-Catto

Hegseth would not recognize 'good faith' if it smacked him in the face!

19CCCG57

kfractal

Russia better take the deal that gives term everything they want! We're tough guys! With huge balls!

Thespud1979

People should watch Rutte from Nato. Cuz he does understand what is happening and he is also clear about it.

outsider4200

Never believe a Trump. Or a Trump lapdog.

ntgco

Does Russia have to negotiate at this point?  Didn't secretary hegseth already lay out terms amenable to them?

NovusMagister

Vance is serial liar. There is no point in beliving his words.

eilef

As if Ukraine doesn't have enough problems with Russia trying to annex it... /s 

Why does this give me Russia/Germany vibes and what they did to Poland during WW2? 🙄

pdirth

If his lips are moving he's probably lying.

VitaminRitalin

Sending US troop to UA may sound nice. But the question is - what side will they be fighting for?

Agarwel

Literally saying one thing and doing straight the opposite.

Huh, I've seen that modus operandi somewhere, but I can't put my finger on it somehow...

ChromaticStrike

And Trumps says no american boots on the ground and the war will end in favor for russia.  
Tired of contradicting news.  
A few month ago Vance said he doesnt give a damn about Ukraine.

crotalusbite

They appear to be giving Putin everything he wants so it shouldn't be a problem presumably...

Mkwdr

Jesus imagine Zelenskys fucking emotional rollercoaster this week.

Apprehensive-Pool161

The Americans are the least reliable ally *and* the least reliable enemy.

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At least give them a chance, Trump may be baiting Putin into a negotiation then offer terms that are not so catastrophic for Ukraine, but probably not

OkStandard8965

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Jesus fuck, these people are going to give me whiplash

fundrazor

They are very weak, it’s gonna make for hard times unless Europe ramps up their own war machine and prevents the U.S. from unilaterally ending the war on Putin’s terms.

1Litwiller

I wouldn't let US boot go on Ukraine soil as Trump could easily stage a takeover.  

Never let a rat enter the hen house.

Nonamanadus

"In good faith?" He didn't even Google "russia" before giving this little presentation, obviously. 

He probably couldn't find Elon to shut the parental control off his tablet for him, to be fair.

Over-Ad-604

No Russian has ever negotiated in good faith, ever. Putin won't be the first.

futureformerteacher

Why would he negotiate in good faith !?!?!?! 

Dt: ok putin as a starting point we will give you exactly what you want

Putin: deal

Dt: art of the deal baby.

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Bunny_Feet

I don't think Trump and Vance talk to each other.

Dani_vic

Notice how has JD say this? Yeah, bullshit.

oregonianrager

All you need to know is that Trump has insulting/infantile nicknames for everyone  except Putin. That tells you everything. He is scared of him.

Authentic_chop_suey

Could, but won't, because America is full of greedy cowards

Local-Mine-3836

I consider Vance nothing more than a hemorrhoid on humanity’s arse, but I’ll take anything that’s not a Kremlin approved talking point out of his mouth right now

GrandInquiry

Translated: now we agree with your deal, we can act like we're tough?

Baal-84

Why is it that we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t? Some of you are being real pricks to Americans who have supported you. Bullshit

Infamous-Nectarine-2

Amijiw

Dear JD Vance.

We know you want to appear tough and determined to do the right thing but your boss has already sold you, your allies and your ideals out.

We also both know that when push comes to shove you are going to bend over and take it like a good little boy.

So please stop embarassing yourself by contradicting Donald.

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For anyone who missed the shitstorm today:

EU is expecting trade talks to come to a hault / get no where.  Tariffs to stick. No resolution in sight.

South Korea &amp; Vietnam to strengthen trade relations

Hong Kong suspends postal service for all goods going to US

"Ball is in China's court" "we don't have to make a deal with them" - Trump

Also still firm on Canada.. (dear god literally why.)

US basically banned Nvidia to sell H20 chips to China, probably impacts earnings/reports bad

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Fishherr

&gt; OFFICIALS AIM TO ENGAGE OVER 70 NATIONS IN TALKS TO BLOCK CHINA FROM ROUTING GOODS THROUGH THEIR TERRITORIES

A competent administration might have been able to wrangle some sort of deal about this through protracted negotiations. As it is, practically every country that might have been on-board has been told that they're leeches, criminals, and illicit drug suppliers.

SheridanVsLennier

The biggest problem with this strategy is that Chinese goods are cheap as hell, while US goods are expensive. In order for the US to actually isolate China, they would have transform our economy to a import based economy to a export based one. The strategy would have to do damaging things like devaluation of the dollar.

Longjumping_Fly2866

Only country Trump is isolating is the US.

CreepyTip4646

I forgot how many times he backed himself into a corner the first time. Now I remember....

Overplayed his hand, as usual

Objective_Chest_1697

We already are losing this. China is pushing free-trade with southeast Asia and Europe. Our allies don't trust us. Our trading partners don't trust us. The job cuts have already started.

EmperorMeow-Meow

If the US goal was to fuck China up then just do that, don't fuck your friends at the same time. 

You guys fucked Canada, Mexico and EU who are supposedly your closest allies. If you don't even give 2 shits about ur closest friends who the fuck would listen to you now. Lmao

noodlebball

Why they hell would anyone play along now that the U.S. is being an asshole to everyone?

PowderedToastBro

Even if there was an actual plan that ended well for the US, trump has fucked it entirely in so many different ways.

You can’t build factories when you can’t get the raw materials. You can’t create things to sell worldwide after turning the world on you. 

You never give up a superpower without a war.

Complete shit show. Tariffs are so flip flop and rushed it’s ridiculous. The wolves are running the hen house.

AutisticFingerBang

Well of course. I don't think too many people "think this is close to being over." But the more likely result is that China (and Europe) isolates the USA. The center of financial gravity appears to be moving east. See headlines in the past few days, such as:

Expect India-EU FTA to come into force this year, says Swedish trade commissioner  
  
Read more at: [https://www.deccanherald.com/business/economy/expect-india-eu-fta-to-come-into-force-this-year-says-swedish-trade-commissioner-3495298](https://www.deccanherald.com/business/economy/expect-india-eu-fta-to-come-into-force-this-year-says-swedish-trade-commissioner-3495298)

MessagingMatters

I' am befuddled.  The US strategy seems to have mostly just isolated the US.  I keep seeing the Chinese shaking hands with our once favorite trading partners, including the EU.  If the plan was to isolate China, why did the US not limit the ridiculously high tariffs to just China?  It placed ridiculous tariffs on our friends also.  Are they still our friends?  There is a lot of scorn and trust issues out there relating to other country's perception of the US now. I honestly am at a loss on how this helps the cause of the US, particularly in isolating China.

Practical_Estate_325

&gt;***US PLANS TO USE TARIFF NEGOTIATIONS TO ISOLATE CHINA***

How does putting tariffs on EVERYONE isolate china? Everyone wants to work with china now cause the US is fucking them over.

XiMaoJingPing

If you're telling nations it's us or China and they just watched Trump the past week, theyll pick China

Redfield11

trowaman

The US has very little goodwill left, we already got countries who were hostile to China starting to negotiate with China now, including the EU.

szopongebob

Lmao isolate China. Thats a ground war with Russia during winter, economic style. USA can't win this if thats the strat. Lol, lmao even.

iplayblaz

I feel this plan to isolate China would've made sense BEFORE the US started shitting on every ally and partner.

TarquinusSuperbus000

when do we hit the point where we can no longer say "My bad" and drop the tariffs?

MisterBlick

Isolate China? Are you fucking paying attention you maga clown?

We are sending our former allies running to China to make deals.

The EU is negotiating with China.

South Korea and Japan, formerly our strongest allies in Asia who were not fond of China, met with Chinese officials this week for a summit for the first time in year to discuss a bilateral trade agreement. 

We are growing weaker and less influential by the literal fucking hour because people like you made a felon President.

Y0___0Y

Oh I thought we were trying to isolate ourselves. America first right? Maga is a joke.

Deghimon

The US can no longer isolate China because they fucked over everyone else including allies. To isolate China, you need cooperation. Who tf is going to cooperate with the US now?

jazzplower

Trump alienated most if not all of America’s allies. Why the fuck would any country listen to his administration now? We don’t give a fuck what he wants us to do on China. 

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FeverTreeCloud

In order to isolate China, US will need something called "diplomacy" and a coordinated, long-term effort.

In other words, the recent shitshow won't work.

KindergartenDJ

This is the new plan which is different than the plan 5 minutes ago and will be different from the plan in 5 minutes. Got it !

Fireinthehole13

Piss off literally the whole world, break trade deals you made , and then expect the whole world to work with you on isolating China.

Bold strategy.

Chouinard1984

China is arguably the most advanced manufacturing country in the world, except for semiconductors.  They also have the most diverse and strongest supply chain from minerals to shipping.  Why would any country isolate themselves from this source?  And why?  Just because they want Taiwan?  I don’t think any of this is realistic.

Sharp-Ingenuity-5653

Well, now, let me ask you this: did CHINA drop massive tariffs on them from out of fucking nowhere?

Who did?

Wrong_Confection1090

and why would we do this rather than just trade with China

Hawmanyounohurtdeazz

Its ridiculous to say it but I would trust China in a deal over the US

BigRonDongson

They'll just route through Russia. Putin wants work outsourced to Russia and import/export control of goods going to US. Dipshit mcgee is handing it to him on a silver platter. Eventually sanctions will be lifted after russia is prepped to grab the leash. Putin and trump are two old rich farts trying to cement a legacy of world control before they die regardless of how many people they have to hurt or kill along the way.

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