Public opinion is largely skeptical and concerned about China's proposal to sell J-10CE fighter jets to Colombia. Many commenters express doubt regarding the quality and geopolitical intentions behind the deal, fearing it might be a strategic ploy by China. While some acknowledge the technical capabilities of the jets, most lean towards skepticism, viewing the proposal as a potential trap or indicative of China's strategic ambitions in the region.

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der_innkeeper

Helmett-13

s4dhhc27

I wonder what the betting line is on if this is a debt trap or Ejypt taking advantage of a weak Chinese export market.

Jess_S13

Is China giving these gratis to Egypt?  Payment plan?  What happens to the F16s?  Can they go to Ukraine?

LilLebowskiAchiever

slightlyassholic

Remote-Ad-2686

The F16s of the Egyptian Air Force are already quite technically restricted aircraft. They do not have access to some advanced avionics and various ammunition. They came out of the production line in a limited way. In addition, serious logistic problems emerged after 2013. In fact, the US side offered the F16V but no agreement was reached. However, some ammunition and avionics packages may still be missing. Egypt may not have liked this package.

 Egypt may be the most restricted F16 user in the world. And maybe Pakistan. The same problem exists for Egypt in Rafale jets. There is no information about the Meteor missiles that make Rafale meaningful being sold to Egypt. 

Russia did not meet the demand for additional Mig29s, and Egypt did not like the performance of the Su-35s against the Rafale in the tests they conducted due to the Pesa radar and canceled the Su-35 orders. Those Su-35s remained in the factory in Russia for a long time and are now being sold to Iran. In fact, Russia is one of the countries that apply the export version definition most radically in the world. There may be astronomical differences between the original Su-35 and the export version. 

J10 is less equipped, like the cheaper F16. But China is not a country that is eager in arms sales. They can sell an export version and a version with more limited features. 

The biggest problem for the Egyptian air force is to establish a logistical infrastructure that will keep the fighter jets that come out of factories and countries with different doctrines and technical production ready for war. F16, Rafale, Mirage 2000 and Mig-29. 3 different countries, 4 different jets, 2 different military technology structures. 

Adding a 4th country, a 5th jet, and a 3rd technology infrastructure to this will probably make maintenance officers incredibly nervous. It is incredibly difficult to keep so many different jets ready for war. It has an advantage against sanctions,embargos or alternative methods but still less effective than single doctrine.

 Solving the problem of buying diplomacy by buying weapons leads to other problems. Still, they have air forces stronger than every country around them except Israel, and their current air force power is sufficient in processes such as Libya, Sub-Saharan Africa, the Red Sea region, and the risk of ISIS.

hmmokby

Stones25

how is it almost 2025 and people in the comments still believe that Chinese planes are bad… armchair military experts apparently know more than countries involved in procuring 4.5 gen fighters. hell, do they think they know more than the US gov who have consistently been warning about enormous Chinese tech advancements.

The F-16s Egypt is running are significantly more dogshit than the J-10C, and are probably the worst model of F-16 currently being operated by any country. They’re from the 80s, don’t have AESA radars, have 0 consideration towards any kind of stealth, and America won’t sell them new missiles because it risks Israel’s air superiority (hilarious how that’s even a rule). Egypt wanted to get newer American planes, but the US said no, so Egypt bought J-10s instead. Let this be a cautionary tale for the US in future times. I’m honestly sick to death of having to explain to moronic Americans that no, china doesn’t make “temu fighters”, and that they actually produce very capable aircraft, hence why Egypt has decided to buy it.

SenpaiBunss

You know what the average redditor doesn't know shit about politics or pretty much anything. And this confirms it.

TwistOk9008

Charming_Beyond3639

slicktug

They don't need sophisticated aircraft when bombing Muslim brotherhood+ ISIS militants in Sinai I guess...

Cpt_Soban

Sad_Week_3301

I wonder how reliable are Chinese fighter jets? They used to struggle with performance. Have they inched closer to US jets? Just asking for genuine concern.

AshutoshRaiK

jiafeigio

EugeneNicoNicoNii

AzizamDilbar

Not buying that. It would be better for Egypt to just buy Su-35s or JF-17s then get J-10C.

zxy_bc

All racists triggered in one post loll.

Let's re-iterate: America #1! Taiwan #2! Japan maybe #3! Democracy rules!

utarohashimoto

Cool… parts are available through Temu and Wish.com!

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F16 is outdated already and out of service anytime. F35 too slow to make. Egypt don't need stealth. Lots of US alliance don't need that, but US pushes one size fit all F35. Pakistan already preserving F16 and buy J10C instead. Not to say China cut to 97% antimony export to US which make all US weapons sourcing for higher cost replacement and slower production time.

kongweeneverdie

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The best proof that Pakistan really shot down some Rafale jets)

Uchpuchmak_Eater

Pakistan claimed that using China’s J-10CE &amp; JF-17 Thunder fighters, HQ-9P air defense systems, and PL-15 missiles, it had shot down 6 Indian Air Force (IAF) aircraft, including 3 French Rafale &amp; 1 Su-30MKI &amp; 1 MiG-29 fighters, and one drone.

xwastedpenguinx

Professional-Pea5196

India ordered like 50 more Rafials a couple of weeks ago. Big lol

googo1

For every 40 F-35 you buy we'll throw in a vintage collectible F-14 autographed by The Maverick himself.

Dirt_E_Harry

In 2022 Greece spent $7.71b on its entire military.

Now that F35 cost will likely be a programme cost, spread over a decade or more, but it's still a big slice. For context Greece has also been buying Rafale (18-24) and upgrading existing F16s. And buying new French frigates that are basically scaled down air-defence destroyers (EASA radars, 48x Aster 15/30).

gingerbread_man123

Myheelcat

That’s a whole lot of thunder and Lightning..

FreyrPrime

Ooof that’s a dig to turkey only getting f16’s

smasherella

Gotta love Greece having a better air force than Russia

Ergodan: At last, I have the mighty F-16!  

Greece: Sweet, F-35s.

Ergodan: ....they can't keep getting away with this!

dante662

Would love to see the egg on erdogan’s face when this news broke. Donkey held out Sweden’s nato bid for some F-16s (after botching the f-35 deal for their s-400s which have not exactly shown up in Ukraine). Talk about a total miscalculation, lmao. Now his neighbors got the new shiny toy and he’s got ol reliable.

paddenice

Main_Enthusiasm4796

I have not once been gifted aircraft by the US and now I'm starting to wonder if there's something wrong with me :(

Common-Second-1075

Wonderful-Reason-616

Turkey gets F16s Greece gets f35s, favourites have been chosen

Human_Link8738

K6PUD

jazzjustice

Turkey is going to flip over this.  The US declined to sell the jet to Turkey, a NATO partner, after they bought Russian missile systems.  We have apparently just decided to sell them F-16’s, but now we’re going to sell F-35’s to Greece?  Oh, they’re going to be salty over this, and I’m here for it.

Gloomy-Employment-72

Healthy_Razzmatazz38

F-16 to Turkey. F-35 to Greece. This is power balance.

l0stInwrds

Wonder if Turkey realizes that buying those S-400s was a dumb idea.

HonkeyKong73

Yeah cool plane… still I like the f22 more

Can’t get past the pay wall, buts the odds that suddenly Greece has an aircraft donation for Ukraine?

emeaux2

India should probably go with something similar to what the Israelis have done, I.e, adding their own modifications to the F-35 to carry domestic weapons. Using the conventional F-35a as the base, India could then modify it to an F-35i version, just like how they created the P-8i Neptune distinct from the P-8a Poseidon that America uses.

SolRon25

Given China's soaring production rates for the J-20 along with the impending introduction of the J-35 in both the PLAAF and PAF, this is a smart move for both the US and India. Having the world's 4th largest air force, India has the potential to become the largest F-35 operator outside the US. This'll put more pressure on China to split equipment and manpower between both the theatres.

Mundane-Laugh8562

The cost of the F35 alone is not the only factor to be considered- to make them communicate across the system , the overall cost could be another $0.5-2$ for every $$ spent on the flight itself. 

But considering the aging of her squadrons, either the f35 or getting in a joint development with the Europeans on a 5th/6th generational fighter is imperative.

hinterstoisser

Indian airforce would be such a mess : Sukhoi SU30mki, Dassault Rafale, HAL Teja, and now F-35.

nuvo_reddit

India will buy it if they transfer technology, which is never happening so India will never buy it and use those mig 21 till 2100 , Amca will be out by 2200 , we can stretch those migs till then

Cringeguy-99

The US used to support Pakistan and the Soviets support India. Now the US supports both, and gives their best tech to India to fight Pakistan and ward off China. What a crazy turn of events.

LateralEntry

India is going to be key to counter-balancing  increased Chinese influence in the world, even if they aren't full-blown allies, and whether it's convenient or not. Trump has made a lot of stupid moves, but this isn't one of them.

ledfrisby

The biggest issue with F35 is that India-US relationship is now partisan in nature. Trump will be happy to sell it but a subsequent Democratic administration could easily ground the whole fleet.

Maybe India should make a small F35 purchase like 40 jets so its not totally reliant on the US. The bigger purchase of 114 jets should still be Rafale.

IntermittentOutage

VoraciousTrees

Anonymou2Anonymous

LawsonTse

Nothing wrong with that, I'm sure he wouldn't sell to a BRICS nation, such as Spain.

mikepartdeux

India also works with Russia with arms. What’s surprising is the USA blocked Turkey because of this but now Trump doesn’t care. I wouldn’t be surprised at how fast Russia would get their hands on a Indian F-35 for hands on research if a deal is made.

Shionkron

Ha ha! Please tell me they’ll fall for that too - buying overly expensive US kit.

ozkarbozkar

Really? I thought that was off the table. Now that's a surprise  

I don't think this is a good idea, I don't think India can be trusted this much. This is a big helping hand for Russia. This buffoon is going to take America down the drain

Powerful-Chemical431

DaySecure7642

Sounds like a dangerous move for India. The US has a killswitch installed. They can ground all planes with a press on a button. Can they trust the US? Look what they did to the kurds, afghans and now Ukraine...

sinkpisser1200

This is a terrible idea. India has absolutely insane corruption and is not a reliable partner. We’re giving China and Russia technology by giving India F35s

yes-rico-kaboom

China's offer to sell fighter jets to Colombia signals strengthening ties and a potential geopolitical shift away from traditional U.S. military partnerships.

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