Public sentiment surrounding the commissioning of ASW Shallow Water Craft 'Arnala' is mixed, with pride and skepticism being the prominent themes. Many celebrate India's advancements in naval capabilities and defense indigenization, expressing national pride and admiration for the Indian Navy's achievements. However, there is skepticism and humor concerning the paradox of labeling the project as 'secret' while widely publicizing it, leading to concerns about national security. The tension between pride for military advancements and anxiety over perceived secrecy breaches creates a complex public response.

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Not sure if it counts as warship porn coz they look ugly asf right now 


More info if anyone's curious [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Submarine_Warfare_Shallow_Water_Craft)

kevin9870654

Is it just me or does anyone else think they look like theyre made out of cardboard

Chennyboy11

Interesting little ships

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/06/indias-asw-shallow-water-craft-project-progresses-amidst-uncertainties/

treesbreakknees

I spent last few days looking at the Chinese shipyard spying pictures… then suddenly saw this… damn this feel like a kindergarten project… (please don’t hate me, Indian people)

Ophelia_Yummy

dannyd8807

gwhh

Odd the RBU is already fitted out topside.

Plump_Apparatus

I know there's obviously an actual use for them, otherwise they wouldn't be built. But "shallow water ASW" *feels* like an odd concept. Surely that's a self-correcting problem.

SyrusDrake

xaina222

I get that they are ASW craft but something more than a 30mm gun for even basic AAW\ASW wouldn't have been a luxury.

TheHonFreddie

These are quite possibly the ugliest military vessels I have ever seen. What were they thinking with this paint scheme.

HEAVYtanker2000

Oh painting the whole thing in anti foul so that when it rolls over in rough seas you don't get marine growth. Smart.

ShareYourIdeaWithMe

agha0013

Good they finally replaced the arm-launcher with a VLS for the SAMs

Hope an upgrade is possible for existing Talwars with Shtil-1 VLS or VL-SRSAM or Barak-8

Arm Launchers must go

Samraat1337

She will join the 6 Talwar class Frigates already in service with the Indian Navy 

Actually both *Tushil* and her sister ship *Tamala* were being built for the Russian Navy and named *Butakov* and *Istomin*, but Russia couldn't finish them ( Probably lack of funds and also since they use Ukrainian propulsion). The deal was signed in 2018 for Tushil, Tamala and 2 more warships to be built in Goa Shipyard in India

Tamala is expected to join the Indian navy in a few months.
The 9th ship *Triput* was launched in India a few months ago. The 10th ship isn't named yet

Guy in 3rd photo walking down red carpet looks like the main villain lol

[deleted]

That must be a fun round the world sail to bring her home.

Technojerk36

I find it ironic that the banners are in English - not Russian or Hindi

6exy6

Russia needs a Navy W after losing their only international naval base in Tartus

Initial_Barracuda_93

Why are they being commissioned in kaliningrad? Were they built there?

DegenRayRay

Same commissioning date I had plus nearly five decades.

Commercial_Ratio8441

Not sure if this was total BS so I looked for other sources and found the patent online which I linked below. This would be pretty exciting stuff if it is indeed feasible and in development. I haven't heard of any similar technology being suggested anywhere else.

Edit:. As I am reading through the patent I see it is using the resonant microwave propulsion idea that was all the rage a while ago as a controversial idea for travel without propellent.   But wasn't that shown to not work??

Edit 2:. Also this is from 2016

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170313446A1/en

awe_infinity

Hey we have top secret tech, let's patent it so no one else will be able to copy it. What BS.

no1name

&gt;mass reduction device

They found the Prothean ruins on Mars.

Koncur

dull deserve wakeful bag mourn flowery label fretful governor paint

 *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev/home)*

ovirt001

It will be awesome, now all I have to do is invent mass reduction technology.

LordBrandon

Everyone that has ever been in the Navy: \*laughs to themselves knowing it would fall out of the sky in a week due to maintenance scheduling\*

beiman

From [the patent](https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en):

&gt;A craft using an inertial mass reduction device comprises of an inner resonant cavity wall, an outer resonant cavity, and microwave emitters. The electrically charged outer resonant cavity wall and the electrically insulated inner resonant cavity wall form a resonant cavity. The microwave emitters create high frequency electromagnetic waves throughout the resonant cavity causing the resonant cavity to vibrate in an accelerated mode and create a local polarized vacuum outside the outer resonant cavity wall.

The patent description reads like the good ol' EmDrive, no?

GeneReddit123

Im sorry WHAT!?!? When tf did humans figure out how to manipulate gravity?

mcshadypants

I would think that having all those numbers hanging off it would produce a lot of drag, I'm no aircraft engineer though.

Red-Freckle

I’m surprised that borrowed alien technology hasn’t been mentioned.

I'm not sure if many people in the comments are trolling or actually believe that a "inertial mass reduction device" exists, or that we could produce any significant gravity waves.

KillFrenzy96

Damn, it’s so annoying when you’ve ran a good top secret program but you have to blow your cover by getting a patent so hostile foreign governments will not copy the paradigm shifting technology you’ve developed out of fear of a civil lawsuit.

Is this the Auroa project?  The project that doesn't exists but showed up in a Pentagon expenditure?

Considering that the gravitational waves generated by two neutron stars colliding and merging only affected space by 1 1trillionth of the width of a hydrogen atom I'm going to have to call BS on this one.

Evipicc

Why is this BS getting upvoted so much?  This is what happens when scientific illiteracy runs rampant, people see a headline like  ***"intertial mass reduction device" by generating gravity waves to travel at "extreme speeds"***  and don't even think for one second to question the preposterousness of what they're hearing.

The "patent" just throws around terms like "gravitational waves" due to their recent popularity from the LIGO observatories discovery and everyone is eating it up.  It gives no reasonable explanation for how gravitational waves can be used to "reduce inertial mass".

This is some high-fi sci-fi stuff, the sort of stuff that if ever possible will not likely be possible for centuries.  The US government has been trying to get the F-35 to work for nearly 30 years nevermind a spacetime bending mass phasing sci-fi spaceship.  

It's absolute bullshit, and it's physically painful that there are people who can't deduce this with more than a glance.

HarbingerDe

"internal mass reduction device"

*law of conservation of mass and energy screeching*

Fifteen_inches

Yeah shit like that is a myth until I see one of those cocksuckers flying around. Sounds oddly familiar like the third Reich UFOs.

SergeantStoned

This is what has been speculated as the TR3B

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_triangle_(UFO)

VETVoltz

Lol arent there like YouTube videos of weird triangle things flying around or that's what people have said they seen

SpicyBagholder

TR3B

Google it.  They're silent and as old as the 1970's and possibly reverse engineered.


One flew over my house while I was watching a hockey game in January of 2009.

Salesman89

Chinese probably already stole it and fatally tested it on a few dozen Uighurs...

ChuffsNStuffs

Am I the only one thinking of Imperial Star Destroyers?

Mr11BangBang

I read internal mass reduction and  thought of the Dr who phone box...

Justaskingyouagain

&gt;‘It is possible to reduce the inertial mass and hence the gravitational mass, of a system/object in motion, by an abrupt perturbation of the non-linear background of local spacetime,’ the patent says.

Sure, it's possible. But this is soooo far into science fiction it isn't funny. This isn't even like "we'll be able to do this in a hundred years" this is like a stone age caveman describing how he's going to invent the internet. There's, to put it mildly, a few steps in between we'd need to figure out first.

To say nothing of the fact that MESSING WITH SPACETIME IS PROBABLY A BAD IDEA.

Ratfor

This should be cross posted on /r/xfiles.  This is the exact craft that shows up in multiple episodes.

GoHomeWithBonnieJean

This used to be a thing before WW1.   
The White Russians or Tartarians had these flying planes with umbrellas attached that could fly using gravity waves.

westsan

This is literally just a patent. All a patent means is "if this ever gets invented at some point, even if by someone else, I own the design."
It means basically nothing until someone makes a working prototype, which, judging by how godawful this thing looks on paper, will never happen.

turaida

Coincidentally, the US Navy announced today, 4-24-19, new guidelines for Naval pilots to report unidentified aircraft.  
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/43jv7d/the-us-navy-wants-pilots-to-report-ufo-sightings

moon-worshiper

Why are people calling this BS? Is it because of the far fetched physics or the patent? 

If it’s the patent can you explain why please?

R3333PO2T

All you Alien conspiracy idiots.

Seriously, dont you think the Aliens would all ready have a galactic patent on it.

monkeypowah

From a cursory read of the patent, it looks like junk science. It combines some correct statements about electromagnetism and quantum physics with truly outlandish, unsupported claims. I'd categorize it with perpetual motion machines. This kind of basic research would have come from academia and would have been huge news.

thewickedzen

Reduction of gravity? Sounds like the beginning of "Warp-Field Theory". If mass can be reduced on an aircraft or space craft, acceleration will require less and less amounts of energy! First, change starforce to Starfleet, then use these ships to explore the GALAXY, then the bitches!

xellosxerxes

Related?  https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/bgr3ex/us_navy_granted_patent_for_inertial_mass/?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=ios_app

raresaturn

Damn. Got ahead of me, I was just about to Patent this.

I guess I'll just have to patent my perpetual motion machine instead.

RedofPaw

I wonder if this is related. I saw it on Tom Delong’s post from To The Stars Academy

“This is a DIRECT RESULT of tothestarsacademy’s quiet efforts coordinating briefings to the Legislative and Executive Branch, working with the Navy and others at the highest levels to help create an architecture for dealing with the reality of UFOs. Chris Mellon, Chairman of the TTSA ADVISORY BOARD, worked for the greater part of the year on this breakthrough National Security Policy—- And yes, this is an admission that these Unidentified Aerial Vehicles are real, and @tothestarsacademy organized this entire effort. Thank you to everyone for believing in us... But, there is much more to come.”


[https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/us-navy-guidelines-reporting-ufos-1375290](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/us-navy-guidelines-reporting-ufos-1375290)

Recent UFO reports often mention a large triangular craft.

Sometimes also emerging from water.

secret179

Isn't this basically many of the ships portrayed in X-Files?

Lovelocke

Bob Lazar discusses using gravity waves as waveguides like we do for microwaves. Bet you this has been in development for a while now

50cnt

According to the most optimistic measurements of the only drive of this kind ever tested (~290 mN/kW), this aircraft would require a 140 MW powerplant to produce the same amount of thrust as a single F18 engine. That's about 1.5x the output of Lockheed Martin's proposed (but dubious) truck-portable fusion reactor. Based on how much a reactor like that would likely weigh, the odds are pretty slim that a craft like this would ever take flight. It would make a pretty good spacecraft though.

BarbarianSpaceOpera

In one of the F/A-18 gun camera clips, the pilot refers to one as a drone. They also seem aware they are in a test exercise, although they weren't informed of the nature of the test.  
  
The inventor is employed at Naval Air Center, Patuxent, Md. The patents only got filed late last year. Patuxent has been researching Coanda effect for a couple decades.

This is just a Honeypot to Catch Russian and Chinese hackers.

Tommygmail

Here you go, “UFO” flying above water and then going under water. 

https://youtu.be/oy-OiN-ilK0

cnycc

How does this not get a 101 rejection? Have they actually demonstrated that this is possible?

showponies

These type of craft have been around for decades in the black world. It’s called electromagnetic-gravitics, or EMGs. Reducing the mass of a craft increases both its fuel efficiency and its speed, as force = mass x acceleration. Think of it as creating a bubble of your own local space-time. You create the bubble around your craft and then control the direction of that bubble and fly around like Glenda the good witch of the north in the wizard of oz. Or more accurately, as it was done in the ‘80’s movie, “Explorers”, staring Ethan Hawke, River Phoenix, and Jason Presson. 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explorers_(film)

For more on this subject I suggest reading, “The Hunt for Zero Point”, by Nick Cook.
https://www.amazon.com/Hunt-Zero-Point-Classified-Antigravity/dp/0767906284


There have been other types of craft similar to this postulated. 
Dr. Paul LaViolette has claimed for years that a different type of mass reduction technology was/is employed on the B2 bomber. One that uses plasma induction around the crafts body to reduce its air resistance.

Tiddywhorse

Gravity waves are known to be on the energy wave spectrum. Same as every other energy band from sound to light.

If they can be detected, they can also be produced. just another wave length.

GrisBosque

The government will tell you none of these 'work'...but they have **all kinds of patents about this stuff**the study of hg80 is still being suppressed.

I've been watching these patents for a cpl years now..about 2-3 years back, they had ALL KINDS of "Field propulsion AND craft" patents. About the time they put the Black Manta on the 'fake TV show' "Black files declassified"- The Black Manta....ALL the field propulsion patents **DISAPPEARED** leaving **only** tr3b..."inertial mass reducing" type patents.

elmerfriggenfudd

for doubters there's actually a name for the triangular space/aircraft. TR3B Astra, and the patents are legit.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060145019A1/en

https://youtu.be/fbXErgVmbdo?si=BT1sh2h2PDNyNulI



https://youtu.be/lSGLBb3k80U?si=6JP3rVVucEuZK-gE


https://youtu.be/aTIzsMLRQjY?si=W0N43aUGWu4YOcwG


https://youtu.be/43Oek67j10c?si=4Yr3oT_9ea9Zigzs




Gravitational wave propulsion
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20070001541A1/en


Abstract
A gravitational wave generating device comprising an energizing means such as magnetrons, which act upon energizable elements such as film bulk acoustic resonators or FBARs. A computer that controls the magnetrons' phase. A gravitational wave generation device that exhibits directivity and forms a gravitational-wave beam. The utilization of a medium in which the gravitational wave speed is reduced in order to effect refraction of the gravitational wave and be a gravitational wave lens. A gravitational wave generator device that can be directed in order to propel an object by its momentum or by changing the gravitational field nearby the object to urge it in a preferred direction and be a propulsion means.
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Triangular spacecraft 
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060145019A1/en




https://youtu.be/T1xxmBQy69g?si=sRjeoPgVR3efQsYg


https://www.kobo.com/se/sv/ebook/the-montauk-project-and-philadelphia-experiment-1


Imagine the Secret Military bases in the US are like 2000 years ahead of PUBLIC Private sector.


look up Phil Schneider Dulce Base on YouTube or Bitchute 

ServiceIll5436

INS Nilgiri is the first of it's class, an additional 6 ships are Launched and are in various stages of fitting-out.

Specs

Elta MF-STAR S-Band AESA Radar

Indra Lanza-N L-Band Air Surveillance Radar

1x 8 cell VLS module for 8x BrahMos supersonic AShM

2x 8 cell VLS modules fore and 2x 8 cell VLS aft for 32x Barak-8 SAM total

2x AK-630 30mm CIWS,

1x OtoMelara 76mm Strales gun for DART guided ammunition

2x Triple Tube launchers for Varunastra heavy-weight torpedos

4x Kavach decoy launchers

2x NSTL Maareech torpedo-countermeasure systems

2x GE LM2500+ Gas Turbines

2x MAN Diesel Engines

Like Japanese warships, there’s something distinct about Indian warships that when you see it you immediately go “yep that’s from India”. And by distinct I don’t mean the RBU launchers.

Mr_Wick18

class features :

8x1 brahmos vls 

4x8 barak-8 vls

2x triple tube heavy weight torpedo launcher

2x RBU-6000 rocket launcher

1xStrales 76/62 mm turret capable of firing DART ammo

125mm_smoothbore

With the addition of 76mm Strales, Indian Navy now has a better CIWS.

Excomunicados

bake_gatari

Those RBUs must be taking up a lot of deck space underneath, bc there is space for so many more VLS tubes on the surface

PotatoEatingHistory

Still with RBU? What is it with the Indian navy and it’s tight grip on rbu and ak630, both obsolete. I know India has some problems occasionally with arms development but they could definitely develop a home grown CIWS to replace ak630.

Popular-Twist-4087

If it's not having another combat with the biggest enemy of the Indian navy: the dockyard.

Fandango_Jones

I saw two of these under construction in Mazagon a few months back. It was a great sight.

SGTRoadkill1919

The commissioning of 'Arnala' enhances India's anti-submarine warfare capabilities, representing a step towards naval indigenisation.

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