The public reaction to the suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty is largely negative, characterized by skepticism, concern, and criticism. Many commenters express disapproval of media portrayals of attackers, criticize DW News, and advocate for India to assert its water rights. There is a spectrum of opinions, with some supporting India's stance and others questioning the practicality and feasibility of the suspension. Concerns about regional instability, geopolitical tensions, and potential nuclear conflict are prevalent, and there is criticism of both India and Pakistan's positions and capabilities. Overall, there is a call for a stronger, clearer strategy and a peaceful resolution to avoid escalating tensions and potential conflict.

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NymusRaed

Hopefully no war comes of this, both Nations wield Atomic Weapons and are densely populated.

thatsocialist

jeffreycoley

Context:

The Indus Water Treaty is a treaty signed by the early leaders of India and Pakistan to share the waters of the Indus River System, after the First Kashmir War and the LOC (Line of Control) drawn to separate the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Pakistan consists of 4 provinces:- Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan, Sindh and Punjab. Of these, Sindh and Punjab are the population centres (by a huge margin), which are the major areas of the Indus valley. The Indus Valley is irrigated by the Indus river, and its 5 tributaries.

The term Punjab refers to the land of 5 rivers. These are the 5 eastern tributaries of the Indus, namely (from west to east) the Jhelum, the Chenab, the Ravi, the Beas and the Sutlej. In some ways, these 5 rivers and the cultures of the lands irrigated by these rivers have been more prominent/significant in Indic history than the Indus river itself, especially the post Vedic age.

The Indus Water Treaty deemed that the 3 western rivers of the system; the Indus, the Jhelum and the Chenab belong fully to Pakistan, and all its waters, although the rivers all begin in Jammu and Kashmir (Indian control).

Meanwhile, the eastern rivers; Ravi, Beas and Sutlej all belong to India. The Ravi, Beas and Sutlej all begin/run through the Indian state of Himachal Pradesh (not disputed). The Sutlej starts in Tibet but most of its water catchment is in Himachal Pradesh anyway. The Ravi is the border between Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab (India) and Himachal Pradesh.

However, the catch is that of the 6 rivers, 80% of the water of the entire Indus system comes from the 3 western rivers. For a long time before the current Nationalist government in India, subsequent Indian governments have honored this agreement despite its extreme detriment to India.

The Jhelum begins in Kashmir valley, while the Chenab begins in upper Himachal but passes through major areas of the Jammu region later on. Both the Jhelum and Chenab river valleys are inhabited mostly by ethnic Kashmiris, all of which is under India. 

Kashmiri farmers are unable to rely on their own rivers due to the Indus Water Treaty, and India can build no dams on these 2 rivers to help Kashmiri farmers. The revocation of the Indus Water Treaty in India's view, will be good for Kashmiris (especially Kashmiri farmers) but bad for Pakistani Punjabis, whose agriculture relies on these rivers. Moreover, India cant divert these rivers out of Kashmir anyway since theres a mountain range between this region and the rest of India (Pir Panjal range).

Yesterday, the Pahalgam terror attack took place, where terrorists exclusively killed 25 Hindu tourists (plus one Muslim local who tried to help them) after checking IDs, asking them to recite the Kalma to prove if they are Muslim or not, and even asking them to pull their pants down to check for circumcision (Muslims are circumcised, Hindus are not).

The revocation of the Indus Water Treaty is a response to this Pakistani terror attack, among others like the closing of the Attari border, and the reduction of ambassadors. Pakistani citizens in India are given 48 hours to leave India right now.

Note: TRF (The Resistance Front), an offshoot of the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) has claimed responsibility for the attack. LeT operated from within Pakistan and funds and launches terrorist attacks within India and the Indian side of Jammu and Kashmir.

Hydroscorpio_18

like how Hyderabad is just chilling there.....

AnimatorPlayful6587

Vibes seem pretty chill in that area of the world

Col_mac

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India and Afghanistan to Pakistan now

Nice_Leopard_7135

Can someone give a synopsis please? I'm unfamiliar with this treaty and its ramifications.

joustswindmills

US preferring Pakistan over India during the Cold war was a mistake.

[deleted]

I’m not even trying to be against india’s claim over kashmir here but at least when talking about control of waterways it would be more appropriate for a map to show the actual line of control instead of claims? 

Thats what makes a good map, one that shows information useful to that its intending to present.

Los-Stupidos

Just one question how they are going to implement it... I mean how will they divert water and where

vishalsharmaa22

Iron-Phoenix2307

The map should really have de facto control of Kashmir rather than India's claim for a post like this.

BootsAndBeards

India and their habit of showing others territory as their own.

KidJuggernaut

India tried to amend the treaty. Pakistan said no.

India be like, “ok, we’ll do it our way”.

Starts a false flag operation, blames Pakistan within minutes, blocks the water as a form of revenge.


lol what a bozo of a nation.

stating_facts_only

They already knew we were having and would face problems with water, so they decided to do this on purpose to make things worse! Well, what else could we expect!

Top_Masterpiece_2053

Who cares bro anything happens they blamed Pakistan 💀 tomorrow if modi has a son bro's will say it's caused by Pakistan

Basic_Conclusion7519

Guys, apart from silly jokes and stuff in the reply section, I want to discuss this issue of backing away from Indus water treaty.

Can someone discuss the consequences for India for breaking a 'binding' treaty? Will the international mediating powers start pursuing India to get back into following the treaty, or will India stay away from the treaty with impunity?

AbdullahJanSays

I get it, this is what’ll get them the local vote bank.

Altruistic-Owl5694

gimmick, i feel bad for the high commissioner tho, the guy's life must be hell shuttling back between explusion and reinstatement.

Ok-Maximum-8407

ltao77

India can't build a dam there. The terrain isn't fit enough to build a dam to stop water from going into Pakistan. And the river actually originates in china. China can also stop India's water. 

There is a reason why India hasn't built a dam there in 78 years.

LogicalPakistani

accousticuser69

Just Modi trying to gain some support. Nothing else.

albelaraahi

Let me order tea from the nearest quetta cafe.

Rust-here

1: where will india store the water . It has no reservoirs or dams to redirect the water. New dams will take at least a decade to build.

2: what this does is gives india impunity to build dams. Earlier it would gave needed world bank or pakistans permission. 

So no water flow into pakistan is not going to stop overnight but it may in some years

SnooCupcakes2611

If India tries to screw with Pakistan water supply, we are looking at a military response from Pakistan. May even go nuclear if need be. The Hindutva are morons trying to pick a fight with Pakistan.

Berserk123

Electrical-Dot7481

Clark718

Pak should go to China and ask them to stop water to India. China threatened India with this  warning in past whenever they have conflict with india

deadpoolzilla411

One-Body-31

Pajeets smell in this thread is quite strong.

Clear-Total3421

the thing that these indians don't understand that kay bhai humnay itnay saal apnay defense budget say khilonay nahi banaye ,aap ungli
karo badley may aapko pura hath milega ,also pls try to come with some sensible statement pls pakistan khatam kardengay ye kardengay wo kardengay blud you have 7 lac army personnels in indian kashmir ,what were they doing grassfeeding 🥴

Putrid-Raisin7382

Over 68% of under five deaths in your country are due to malnutrition and you talk about Pakistan having shortage of food

Royal_Disaster3

Usual 💩. BJP playbook- no proof and blame Pk… then make deluded declarations like u r American… it has barely registered worldwide…

MariusBerger832

As a Hindu Indian, this just sucks. When there is an act of terror, people need to use their brain. Removing water is just horrible.

Why not request an arrest of Hafiz Saeed and jointly figure out how to combat terror group operations instead of emotionally jumping to something punitive?! :(

sshivaji

The sensible thing to do is for India and Pakistan to negotiate a deal - you dont bother us in Kashmir and we wont bother you in Baluchistan and KPK. That is a pretty fair deal for both parties.

ISI and RAW should jointly ensure that this deal is honored, especially at the borders. Then we should end this suspension of Indus Water Treaty and move on in life. 

If we can also make the LOC the official border along with this deal, we can have permanent peace and put behind all this acrimony once and for all. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Impossible_Virus_329

ChonkyUnit9000

Hopefully they'll take shower with the water they'll reserve from that.

Beneficial-Can-7794

i m an indian and i would like to say that what else do you expect . i mean those mfs were literally on a genocidic mission (if thats a word) . we need to have the support of pakistan s people on this since we all know about the millitary s control and its involvement with these groups . by this we might be able to drag some attention of your people . and btw its just suspended not over .

Best-Contract-5412

I was fine with everything in India until they revoked the treaty.

If they wish for war, it is our duty to oblige. We can not accept India setting the terms of water use. They can not be allowed to rob us of water again. Destroy the dams if they don't come to their senses.

AstaraArchMagus

a lot of neighbours of kasab in the comments here crying this won't affect them at all . 

okay buddy hold your horses .

InterestingEngine305

Junior_Unit1865

Initial-Classroom154

There is a reason behind it which isi has strategically done .modi was in KSA while this happened and thus weakened  the meeting since Pakistan is a bunny of mbs, Vance went to India so it’ll hurt India USA relations as the USA can’t do much about pak as we are important to counter the iran axis.This is also to take revenge for Jafar express attack and to create Hindu Muslim divide for future operations in India.
These seem the reasons isi did this .
Anyways violence should never ever ever be the answer .In the end the generals go back to their homes but the widows can’t forget .Kashmir and balochistan must be solved peacefully .Hope some day peace Prevails and South Asia can become like Europe.There isn’t any Hindu or Muslim but first a human

Prestigious_Set_5741

Ihatepros236

They are just opportunist USA proxies nothing more.

I wish our government grow some backbone to counter their nonsense bullying.

mdamoun

James Wilson on Twitter:

"The Indus water will continue to flow due to gravity to Pakistan, since India has no storage structures on its tributaries Jhelum, Indus and Chenab to prevent the flow to downstream.  

In nutshell, freezing a treaty doesn't alter gravity flow."

I_am_myne

I think problem for Pakistan will not really show up immediately, because infrastructure to make any significant diversions do not exist on the Indus. They do exist on the other rivers however. 

 What may happen in the near term is that during the dry periods (inbetween monsoons) India may affect the predictability of the Indus by releasing water late which can severely affect the kharif crop. In addition India no longer needs to share flow data with Pakistan again making predictability a problem for their agriculture. 

Internally in Pakistan there are already significant tensions between the provinces about water rights. Principally between Sindh and Punjab. And interruption will hit Sindh hardest, as Punjab is the Pak fauj's heartland, and they will restrict the flow downriver. This will make the sindhis quite upset, and may even result in an insurgency.

Schwifty234

This is unfortunately a very dangerous game to play. When China cuts us off from the Brahmaputra, no one will come to our aid

paranoidpixel

If the water doesn't flow won't it flood parts of India? 

I have no idea about the Indus but damming waters leads to floods

AajBahutKhushHogaTum

It does not work like there is a button you can press and the water stops flowing. 

Water AlWAYS flows, if you stop it you get floods. Water does not disappear as you want. What a shit piece of imagination OP.

Yes_but_I_think

First of all do we have the required infrastructure in place to hold back water of the Indus for such long periods? Are our dams on the Indus massive enough to do this and have we built canals to redistribute and use it?

The govt should have thought of this in advance and built this. The govt should be proactive from on and stop believing in aman ki asha.

JSA790

Dogshit post. Nothing will happen. India does not have the dams and reservoirs to hold indus waters. This is just posturing, and anyone buying it is an idiot. Instead of conducting thorough investigations into security lapses and further reasons why terrorism still cannot be controlled in Kashmir, the clown govt will take these pretentious measures. 

If you feel that suspending iwt actually means something then congratulations, you're exactly the kinda naive populace this govt runs on.

yeah_tea

This is a great step ,but kya lgta hai ki kbtk policy revoke rhegi

Active_Ocelot_4360

But there are no dams how will we even control the flow of the river without dams ! Also treaty is “paused” so all this is just a cope tactics by the center, we need stronger response.

Vaibhavkumar2001

These measures can’t hold water for long.

Smooth-Past9717

At this point, we are looking for their military to act and we retaliate properly. 😌

ghrinz

Policy aside, how they can hold water? Is it just a gimmick?

Any_Letterhead_2917

Bit of realpolitik...this won't hold for too long though. US will push India to mediate and re-enter the treaty soon. At best India will be allowed to go for another surgical strike or a Balakot-style response. Protracted medium-term conflicts will hurt the US as it seeks to build a buffer against China.

Tourist-Designer

Icy_Sample_2161

I am scared China can do the same to us as they are close to Pakistan

svpapa8189

jonstewartrulz

MassiveCriticism555

Mindgrinder1

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@op sometimes real research can help get answers instead of spreading propaganda and trusting AI...now imagine china is actually building a dam on brahmaputra

procast1nator

xexeedhunter

Also, those who are thinking that govt took actions against the recent incidents. Lol it's not, you guys have been fooled, govt.  have been considering to break the treaty from past few months, there have been talka going on even before the attack. Bas lollipop pakda dete or log lhush ho jate. Why nobody os questioning the govt for the security lapse?

icelandream

Ya ask chat GPT how we will control the flow of water ? This is a completely idiotic analysis given that we don't currently have a dam or a barrage on these rivers. Constructing one would take years. So you can ask chat get to shove this up its digital ass.

professormycomancer

nothing will happen atleast not in next few years. its a lollipop for soft brains

youknowwho_v

You can't stop water, where does all the pressure from holding the water go ? You have to release at some point to ease the pressure build up. Law of conservation of energy: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. But a reservoir could delay the water release

cursedoutburst

The major impact on Pakistan won't be by stopping the water, but by not stopping the water. What I mean is during the monsoon season when the output is relatively higher there looms a chance that release of too much water can flood the major farmlands.

Pakistan has actually built costal structures such that excess water drains into The Great Runn of Kutch. Therefore, if the dams face too much pressure from holding/limiting water and breaks, not just Pakistan but Kutch as well will face seriously flooding.

Sylvester_Underwood

AdhesivenessNew6444

Uncertn_Laaife

Won't China intervene by putting a similar restrictions on Brahmputra?

kn1ghtwing

Ab kya... Ab Pakistan mei khane ko roti nhi hoga

Pehnne ko kapra nhi hoga

Peene ko paani nhi hoga

Ab Pakistan ko 3 guna lagaan dena hoga

This is end of Pakistan 

Pakistan will turn Into a Desert /s

karan65

I once mentioned this in front of my Kasmiri Mozlim classmate , If india suspends IWT, then whole pak will cry. Then he said, kashmiris will dissolve poison in water and kill all kafirs.

Since that day, I hate these people and people supporting them. That day I became right winger and anti-secular

Jorukagulaaam

Are there any protests being arranged against is suspension? It seems crazy that during times of actual war and insane levels of terrorism, this treaty stood fine, but now it’s being suspended??

popular_tiger

Wtf is this? Indian nationalist's wet dream?

whyUdoAnythingAtAll

Very good step...especially in this summer.....let them suffer

shashwat_shaw

Thank you for uploading some data on this!! Gives us some insight as to what to expect next, instead of just being angry about it and venting it out on reddit. This is great

iskitten

When you realise this is a well calculated move to reclaim J&amp;K,

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The government also called an all party-meeting for tomorrow. 

Defense minister and home minister to speak and address.

Griffindor-69

The all party meeting looks like serious shit.

arghyaghosh0104

Here are 5 major announcements made by the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA):

**Suspension of Indus Waters Cooperation**: India has suspended the Indus Waters Treaty, under which 39 billion cubic meters of water from the Indus River system flows from India into Pakistan annually. The treaty, which governs the sharing of river waters between the two countries, has long been considered a symbol of cooperation even amid years-long conflict.

**Closure of Attari-Wagah Border**: The iconic Attari-Wagah land crossing, a critical point for trade and people-to-people contact between India and Pakistan, has been shut down with immediate effect.

**Ban on Pakistani Nationals Entering India**: The entry of Pakistani citizens into India has been suspended indefinitely. This includes both visa services and cross-border travel permits.

**Expulsion of Military Advisors**: All military advisors posted at the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi have been expelled, signalling a downgrade in military-to-military diplomatic engagement.

**Reduction of High Commission Staff Strength**: India has asked Pakistan to reduce its diplomatic presence in New Delhi to a skeletal staff of 30, effectively slashing the mission's current operating capacity of 55

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