The sentiment around the escalating tensions between India and Pakistan over Kashmir is charged, with skepticism and frustration being the dominant emotions. There is significant criticism of Pakistan for its historical and perceived current support for terrorism, with calls for 'Free Balochistan' and demands for political reforms. Criticism extends to Western media for allegedly downplaying terrorism by using terms like 'gunmen' instead of 'terrorist' and misrepresenting incidents. While some support India's stance against terrorism, others express concerns over the potential for full-scale conflict between two nuclear powers, emphasizing the need for diplomatic solutions to prevent war.

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It’s always Kashmir. Last time India and Pakistan went to war it was Kashmir. Does this region even produce anything or is the struggle over it mainly just a point of national pride?

biglyorbigleague

Start up comment:

Although tensions between Pakistan and India has been extremely high since post WWII decolonization, they have especially escalated into border clashes ever since that terrorist attack that killed at least 21 Hindu tourists in Kashmir last week. The region of Kashmir has been a flashpoint of contention between Pakistan and India for decades with both sides claiming it, but it defacto remains administered by India under its Jammu and Kashmir state.

For the past few decades, most of the Pakistan vs India tensions over Kashmir have taken the form of a low intensity, though violent, anti-Indian insurgency. Due to its rhetoric of claiming the region and past actions of coordinating with them (especially during the 1998 Kargil War), Pakistan has been accused of supporting the Kashmiri rebel groups by India and Western analysts. 

According to this Reuters article, Pakistan authorities are warning of an imminent incursion from Indian forces into their territory. If such an operation comes into fruition, how would that affect the United States and its domestic politics?

Leather_Focus_6535

If Pakistan tries to bring those responsible to justice would it quell tensions?

ahjeezgoshdarn

Hopefully this doesn’t get bigger and deescalates. Seems like world powers are moving in the direction of war so this would be more fuel to the fire.

I’d hope the current admin can do something to promote peace and conversation but I don’t have any inclination they will.

HammerPrice229

As a US citizen, I am happy that for once this is not our problem.

SamJSchoenberg

I don’t think it will come close to nukes. I also don’t think the response will be close to what Israel did with Gaza. I will however be surprised if Modi doesn’t go beyond border skirmishes. I am talking really crippling the Pakistan economy.

obelix_dogmatix

Not sure India's military is in that great a shape for offensive actions now, as they are still refreshing their forces - they have too varied equipment.

Ilkhan981

For now this is just a continuation of the conflict that has essentially been going on since the 1940’s. Seems we get flare ups like this every half decade or so. 

Anyone remember in 2019 when they were air-striking each other and Pakistan shot down an Indian jet and captured their pilot?

FriendlyEngineer

This never would have happened under Trump

NathanArizona

The first direct war between two nuclear powers . . .

Gonna be interesting to see how well MAD holds up.

Personally I suspect this will be a limited incursion and that Pakistan has already been told this will be a limited incursion.

BolbyB

Allegedly, it was a nuclear exchange between India &amp; Pakistan that Obama said was one of the issues that worried him the most.

VampireHunterAlex

Maybe Trump can bring Peace here too since he’s doing such a good job on Ukraine &amp; the economy.

Expensive-Cap3159

One way to ensure you lose or at the very least lose lots of steam in the battle for hearts and minds is to start murdering civilians.

pencil1324

Imagine this headline if terrorists ever targeted Muslims based on religion?

“Islamophobia strikes again. Terrorists gun down Muslim civilians”

lLikeCats

The curse of JD Vance strikes again.

He was in India when this happened.

messagepad2100

Correction not just attack - islamists terror attack Targetting only Hindus by identifying them.

_daithan

Before Trump leaves, WWIII will be well under way.

Interesting-Risk6446

Prize_Instance_1416

Kashmiris hate India. Thats simple. India is forcefully in Kashmir. And Kashmir will never ever be peaceful until occupational forces are defeated.

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Born too late to experience the India Pakistan war

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Born just in time for the India Pakistan war

loseniram

This is the whole article (currently). Could anyone share more context?

&gt; India's Ministry of External Affairs "strongly advised" its citizens to avoid travel to Pakistan and those already there to leave "at the earliest," as tensions flare between the neighboring nuclear powers after a terror attack in Indian-controlled Kashmir. Pakistani nationals in India also had their visas revoked.

NetflixIsGr8

Perfect timing guys, things were getting so boring on the world stage

sakri

Man we really are entering the war era of the world.

fiberglass_pirate

Does anyone know if India has ever before made the steps of fully pulling all Pakistani visas and recalling all of their citizens? I think its important for the full context of how likely this is to trigger a hot war, if we can compare to previous flare-ups.

NoPlanManWithAVan

Wild how little exposure all this is getting in the west. I don’t think most people I know even know about attack in Kashmir yet.

I do not mean by news watchers. Take a moment and step back to see how many people in YOUR DAILY interactions are aware.

Ok-Biscotti-4311

By Shane Croucher and Isabel van Brugen: 

India's Ministry of External Affairs "strongly advised" its citizens to avoid travel to Pakistan and those already there to leave "at the earliest," as tensions flare between the neighboring nuclear powers after a terror attack in Indian-controlled Kashmir. Pakistani nationals in India also had their visas revoked.

This is a developing story and more information will be added soon: [https://www.newsweek.com/india-tells-all-citizens-leave-pakistan-tensions-rise-2063530](https://www.newsweek.com/india-tells-all-citizens-leave-pakistan-tensions-rise-2063530)

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A lot of shit has gone down in Pakistan recently. The train high jacking, border skirmishes with both Afghanistan and India. They seem to be crumbling.

duffman274

&gt;"the Resistance Front (TRF)—an offshoot of Pakistan's Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist organization—claimed responsibility for the attack, accusing the tourists of attempting to 'settle illegally'."

The only lesson they took from October 7th was 'settlers' 

No, you slaughtered civilians and tourists. 

Congrats, even Modi hating Americans aren't going to complain if the Houthis get a break -- all Modi has to do is ask.

Yeah, Pakistan can escalate over protecting these militants; but not the wise move here

nerphurp

For people all over the world:  
Following are the consequences because of recent attacks.  


India put Indus Water Treaty in abeyance which could potentially harm pakistan on a catastrophic level unless obviously if Pakistan hunts down the terrorist it is harbouring.  
India has closed off Wagah Attari border and suspended SAARC visa of all Pak civilians in India.  
India has declared Pakistani military and diplomatic officials in India as Persona non-grata and has given 48 hours to leave the country.

 In retaliation Pakistan has shut down its airspace for Indian airliners and suspended all trade.  


India's trade with Pakistan around **2 billion USD** which is equal to **0.1%** of India's trade.  
India also has a bigger economy which has a diverse trade base so it will be easy for India to divert its trade.  
Pakistan gets its import for **medicines &amp; pharmaceuticals, fabrics and textiles and tea** so damage to India's Industries will be minimum.

However, Pakistan will have to move to more expensive markets for these products which will burden their already fragile, smaller and limited trade base economy which is already suffering through inflation.

Verdict: ***India will get affected but it will be very small, while in long term Pakistan will suffer more considering already abeyance of IWT.***

India has alternatives to airliners for bypassing Pakistan completely like Iran and UAE.  
While flights from north India going to Europe and west will be affected by slight increase in fares and flight duration by 30 to 40 minutes, the prices will settle down with maintained demand.  
Also there is a high chance like 2019 when Pakistan did the same a lot of major airlines lost their confidence in stability of Pakistani airspace. Same has been predicted to occur.

Final verdict: ***It will be only an "Inconvenience" for India as an immediate effect but will a self-inflicted wound for Pakistan in long term.***

If a war happens it will be a first one in modern age of 21st century which will be between 2 nuclear countries.  
Hope it does not happen though!!

hypedick_xdf

I have a coworker from India and another from Pakistan, both from the border regions with eachother.

This should be interesting....

ChiefKelso

The Indus treaty was in the news a while back. Indian govt wanted to change it to get more water. Now that this shitshow went down, Pakistan can forget getting a leveled discussion on it. After all, Indus is upflowing river so India has the first-come digs.


The third world war will be fought over resources &amp; I hope it happens rn without much fallout later on.

Ninja7017

CharmingCrust

ronadian

Me born in 85 watching the world evolve like crazy, year 2000 passes and we did not die in the y2k. 
All i thought as a teen was: “21st century fuck yeah let’s aim for the stars” 
21st century rolls in, history is a loop and nobody reeds the book anymore.

droidman85

I can't blame them. If they will come and kill the local population over some religious motifs - time to go. If you don't know how to behave - leave.

pianoavengers

They better bring the Pakistani Hindus with them, too. They're not safe.

smackythefrog

Pakistan just declared that any blockade on the indus river or any if it's subsidiaries would be deemed an act if war

OkStudent8107

I don't know, but In this month US administration visit both India and Pak, then within a few weeks, the main sentence comes from Pakistan Army chief regarding Kashmir ,India . after few days a terrorist attack happen on J and K.

Constant_Baseball_54

2160x1440

Fun fact to help you sleep at night:

It has already been shown thru simulations and various models what were to happen if both Pakistan and India had an all out nuclear exchange. That conflict would result in a nuclear winter for the entire earth and trigger mass starvations and hardships for which we have never seen before in our lifetimes.

IronCoffins90

From what I heard, some Pakistani troops (rebels?) have been attacking and killing tourists in Indian towns.  

It's getting bad over there...

KnottaBiggins

JD Vance visits the pope, he dies.
JD Vance visits India, a hot war with Pakistan is about to start.

Where is JD Vance going to next?

jimmy_bamboozy

great, another global conflict about to start. Humanity is going towards a very dark path and its very sad

HMI115_GIGACHAD

I feel like moving to New Zealand to just ignore the shitshow going on everywhere else.

ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp

scorpiknox

I just remember how President Obama said that the conflict between India and Pakistan is the one that kept him up at night 
https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/story/archives%2Fwhat-keeps-obama-awake-at-night-its-pakistan-434114.html

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Answer: not *causing* tensions, *increasing* tensions. India and Pakistan have basically been in [a hot-and-cold-war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_wars_and_conflicts) since they were created by the botched [partition of British India in 1947](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India). Each country is the reason the other has nukes.

Kashmir, where the shooting was, is disputed territory (China even controls one corner of it). The killers explicitly targeted Hindus and left Muslims unharmed. That means Islamist terrorism, and in India's book, that means Pakistan.

bremsspuren

Answer: The Pakistan government in the past has supported terrorism in regions bordering India in an effort to destabilize India's northern regions.

These have led to a number of terrorist attacks on Indian soil with terrorists able to quickly retreat into Pakistan preventing Indian authorities from bringing them to justice. These largely targeted the military but have also led to numerous civilian casualties.

The latest terror attack targeted tourist groups at a popular tourist destination leading to the killing of 26 people. India is blaming Pakistan for the attack because Pakistan has historically supported these kinds of terrorist groups. However there is no real indication (or really any way to know for sure) whether Pakistan directly supported this terrorist attack.

As to whether this is a big deal, people in India are pissed. But these kinds of attacks have typically not led to larger scale war between the two countries, so the risk of escalation is likely low. However, Pakistan is in a pretty weak position right now with a badly struggling economy, so India may decide this is a good time to achieve some tactical objectives.

Based on history, what is most likely to happen is that India breaches Pakistani borders in an effort to kill terrorist camps. Pakistan will respond if they detect such breaches but India will retreat quickly to prevent an international incident. Both countries will flag wave and try to brandish their military strength before de-escalating.

NegativeSuspect

Answer:

For deeper background on India-Pakistan, the excellent ""Origin Story" podcast had just done a 2-parter on Partition in 1947. Worth a listen. 

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2eFd9ehD7g8UdPFOeMRtyU?si=MHZ5qo63TdSQj1y7Y3X3_Q

Brickie78

Answer: A lot of the responses here are only hitting part of the story when it comes to this particular conflict. While there is a long standing rivalry and history of tension/war between the two countries this specific incident is because of Terror attacks in Kashmir. 

The situation in Kashmir is a very complicated one and one that’s often told through the lens of India and Pakistan but that doesn’t really capture the full extent of what’s going on. The region of Kashmir has been exploited and ruled by outside powers for centuries at this point, from Afghan Empires, Mughal Rule, The Sikh Empire and later The British Raj. The British went to war with the Sikh empire, captured the region know as Kashmir and then turned around and sold said land to a Hindu king, who in turn exploited the region. 

When partition rolled around the region was Majority Muslim but ruled by a Hindu King, unlike other region that had the reverse(Hindu Majority and Muslim Ruler) which joined India at the wishes of their people the King of Kashmir first tried for independence to retain power. However as the citizenry were majority Muslim it led to a push from said Muslims and Pakistan(Pashtun Tribesman I believe) who tried to force them to accede to Pakistan like most other Muslim majority regions had. The King instead acceded to India and allowed Indian troops to enter the region. 

Since then the region has been littered with violence, oftentimes Pakistan backed, for a variety of reasons. The Indian government granted Kashmir a Semi Autonomous Status that for many Kashmiris was considered a sham, elections were often rigged in the favor of pro India politicians, citizens could be arbitrarily rounded up and disappeared, and the Indian army has a heavy presence in the area making it the most militarized zones in the world. 

Naturally this forments dissent in the local population who are often ignored and brutalized, the Indian army has committed massacres in Kashmir over the decades that are not widely known. The current Indian government is run by the BJP, they are a right wing nationalist government that has worked to erode protections of Muslims and other non Hindu groups, violence in Northeast India is also ongoing because of these attempts to homogenize India as a place for “true Hindu Indians” including the slow erasure of local languages(Koshur the Kashmiri native language was officially replaced by Urdu by the government making it harder for Kashmiris to work) and stamping down of dissenting views. Ontop of that around 2019 Kashmirs Semi Autonomous status was revoked and the state split and made more federalized. As time as gone on Kashmiri resistance has started moving away from Pakistan given the state of the country and pushing for independence, though that’s not to say Pakistani influence in the movement is gone as it would weaken India, but naturally the BJP would rather not admit that this is a legitimate struggle and simply label it as Pakistan Backed terrorism. 

The current attack also follows a string of BJP propaganda calling tourists to Kashmir becuase of “just how safe” the widespread military presence has made it in an effort to make India look stronger, one that’s clearly backfired as the truth is far more evident now. The Indian government will ofcourse not take any responsibility when it comes to how their governmental repression has shaped these violent actions and how the natives of Kashmir have legitimate qualms with how the government acted. Indian politics like I said are increasingly right wing and currently News Pundits are openly coloring for an “Israel like response” to the violence which in certain would only make things worse. 

India is putting the blame squarely at the feet of Pakistan while refusing to look in the mirror, and Pakistan is a rather unstable government that’s ruled through the force of its military(long history of coups and such) so their response in turn is not too surprising. Both sides seem unwilling to back down and this particular issue is and has been a powder keg for both sides for decades since Partition.

(Late Edit)Here’s a very recent and well researched video by a Geopolitics professor: [https://youtu.be/3UdNf8cNGgg?si=QVbinmei3HgLh9kP](https://youtu.be/3UdNf8cNGgg?si=QVbinmei3HgLh9kP)

TheForsakenVoid

answer: Just the beginning of the world water wars. The only thing that's really surprising is that it took this long to jump off...🤷🏽‍♂️ God save us all.

tacoma-tues

Answer: 

There was a serious terrorist attack and it is causing tensions between the two countries.

Be aware that these two countries have a history of hostility towards one another, literally from the time they were formed as countries as the British withdrew from their South Asia holdings. Pakistan (and at the time Bangladesh the same country as Pakistan), was specifically organized as a Muslim country, and there was a lot of conflict as Hindus left Pakistan to go to India and Muslims left India to go to Pakistan. You can find pictures of trains jam packed full of people each going opposite directions.

Later India basically arranged a rebellion of sorts to split off Bangladesh so that India would not be surrounded by Pakistan on two sides.

India has one of the largest Muslim populations in the world, but it is around 10% of India. Pakistan is always accusing India of mistreating Muslims, and the current government has taken kind of a hard stance supporting a type of Hindu nationalism putting Muslims and Christians and others on edge.

They have fought multiple wars. They each developed nuclear weapons because the other was developing nuclear weapons. They have a longstanding territorial border dispute over the Kashmir region, and sometimes the situation is calm and sometimes it is not.

It is well known that Pakistan harbors and supports and encourages terrorist groups and then uses them as proxies to attack India.

So, yeah, here we are. In some ways, yes this is difficult and of course needs to be addressed. Unfortunately in some ways it is not unexpected and is rather cyclical.

myownfan19

Answer: they never liked each other mainly because of religion

FreezaSama

The timing of the attack - coinciding with that of the VP’s visit is very telling in that they wanted international attention. This was a dastardly and cowardly attack. To attack innocent tourists after asking their religion and specifically targeting only hindus shows loud and clear that this was a premeditated hate crime. 

RIP to the dead and may their kin find strength. The Indian government’s response will be watched by millions. 

No_Mix_6835

Pakistan will pay for this with more international isolation, a broken economy. 

Their general Asim Munir said as much a few days ago that Pakistan was created for one reason and one reason only that Muslims and Hindus cannot live together. Their army has been completely Islamized. 

India should cut all diplomatic relations with Pakistan including all sports relations.

hinterstoisser

SS: Here’s a concise summary of the article:

**Terrorist Attack in Pahalgam, J&amp;K (April 22, 2025):**

- A **terrorist attack in Baisaran Valley, Pahalgam** (Anantnag district, J&amp;K) left **over 20 tourists dead** and **at least 24 injured**.
- The **attack site is remote**, accessible only by foot or horseback, making evacuation difficult. Locals used ponies; helicopters were deployed.
- **12 injured tourists** were admitted to Pahalgam hospital; all are reportedly stable.
- **PM Modi**, on a visit to Saudi Arabia, **condemned the attack**, directed swift action, and asked **Home Minister Amit Shah** to visit the site.
- Leaders across the political spectrum, including **President Murmu, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, and Opposition Leader Rahul Gandhi**, condemned the attack.
- **Security operations** were launched by the Army and J&amp;K Police. BJP leader Ravinder Raina blamed **Pakistani terrorists**.
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BROWN-MUNDA_

Pakistani bots are hard at work trying to divert attention.

highfivemelee

It is going to get spicy in a few days time.... expect another airstrike across the border and another stand off. This time, IAF will have the Rafales armed with Meteor and Stormshadows which they didn't have back in 2019.

There is a limited timeframe for IAF to act because PAF has not yet acquired the J-35 and KAAN they are rumoured to be in process of acquiring. IAF will not get another opportunity like this until India gets its own 5th Gen fighter.

Sumeru88


To everyone calling for India to take some big action — that’s exactly what Pakistan’s Army Chief, Asim Munir, is hoping for. This isn’t new. Every time a Pakistani military leader starts losing popularity at home, they stir up tensions with India to shift the spotlight and rally support. And unfortunately, it usually works.

India needs to be smarter this time. Instead of the usual “you hit me, I hit back” response, we should be thinking a few moves ahead — not just in straight lines, but in layers, like a chess game in 3D.

Don’t let Munir turn this into a moment that saves his image. Most Pakistanis don’t want him — they want real democracy and an end to military control. India should be backing that sentiment, not helping him play the hero again.

And for once, even the U.S. and Saudis might be willing to support a reset in Pakistan, if only because it’s in their own interest. A stable, democratic Pakistan helps everyone. China can be forced to be nuetral if not helping in this cause as it's for Pakistan's benefit (which they claim they support).


Let’s not play into the same old script.

curiousstrider

You have to destroy the head of the snake, else it wont matter, maybe IDF was right all along.

Necessary_Assist_841

Pakistan still never learning, hope modi deals with them , no mercy to them.

demon13664674

Pahalgam lies deep in Jammu Kashmir and is far away from Azad Kashmir border. Seems to be a long trek for the intruders if they did manage to get inside from Azad Kashmir side.

waqar911

Tensions between India and Pakistan have escalated following a deadly attack in Indian-administered Kashmir, resulting in 26 casualties. This has led to increased cross-border skirmishes along the Line of Control (LoC) in the Kashmir region, including Pakistan shooting down an Indian drone. Diplomatic relations have deteriorated, with both countries taking punitive measures such as suspending the Indus Waters Treaty and expelling diplomats. UN Chief Antonio Guterres has urged both sides to de-escalate, while schools near the LoC are preparing for possible conflict by training students for evacuation in case of cross-border shelling.

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