The India Caste Census 2025 announcement has sparked a polarized debate. While some view it as essential for enhancing social equity and applaud opposition figures like Rahul Gandhi for advocating it, there is significant skepticism about its potential to deepen caste-based divisions and be exploited for political gains, particularly by the BJP. Concerns about transparency, potential socio-economic disparities, and misuse of data are prevalent. Calls for reservations based on economic conditions rather than caste further highlight the divided opinion. Overall, the discourse reflects diverse perspectives on its impact on national unity and justice.

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Caste census? Bhai idhr desh ka population census tk nii hoya 2011 k baad 

Leftonseenbyher

So what happened to 2021 census now that COVID is over

PointySalt

bjp is just saying no to any census, because it might just highlight the increase of socio-economic divide in the country over the past decade.

Any-Ad-1367

1. They're saying no to all sorta census. Mind you, even British didn't dodge census during a pandemic. However if census happens then all the tall tales of progress and development BJP has spun, will fall. 

2. Caste census isn't a new thing, it happens already, just the data isn't made public. For the Brahminical society it's more dangerous than reservation because the facts are gonna be that horrible. If all the facts come to light, and Dalits tribals will realise just how badly they've been screwed, a nationwide movement will be unstoppable. That's why they absolutely don't want caste census facts, to reveal how a small percentage of UC Hindus have majority of wealth, positions and everything.

dreadedanxiety

bjp is in a "try not to do caste census" competition. Talking about division, the SC is trying to divide SC/ST groups too and they won't even talk about caste census.

vizot

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BJPee party kuch kehne layak nhi hai

  
Inequality has increased to new levels in india.If modiji was even a  Decent leader,He would acknowledge this and put forward "Income census" and oppose the opposition with it but mudiji se samajhdari expect Krna toh murkhta hai🗿

Gobi's BJP has always spoken in two voices. Gobi sweet talks the public while all other BJP leaders do the shit-talking. 

I wonder if it will work now that gobi has semi-retired

JiskiLathiUskiBhains

Caste census won’t divide people. It will merely give us the picture of how the society is already divided. 

Not surprised by BJP. Sweeping problems under the rug and pretending it doesn’t exist is what they do best. Be it unemployment data, general census or caste census.

DeadlyGamer2202

Ofc they are trying to hide specific information like socio economic inequalities 🤷‍♀️so people can stay in delusion that everything is going well in country I’m personally not fan of caste based census but its needed to figure out if lower caste people are getting uplifted by the reservation given or not and atleast we should have population census which we haven’t had after 2011 That’s needed for sure

Anywaysitsme_

According to me, getting such census itself tells how backward we are. Have you see any caste based census in first world countries?

Elegant-Ad1415

Both parties are involved in divide and rule, looting the tax payers money and fooling masses but not  interested in reforms.

  
The core problem with india is that there is lack of system. The rich elites dont pay taxes  and corrupt politicians with help of bureaucrats plunder most of the resources.

Salary class will continue to suffer and  they need to exit this country asp

BreadfruitRich2175

Acceptable-Advance22

Possibly, but this comic is about RGs divisive politics

shikhar47

Idk about cast census but sum census should happen so that we can know what is the position of our people and country. Oh if someone can explain me about cast census and how it would affect us would be appreciated. 
Please do tell pros and cons not just good things.

aizen_chacha

NumerousCrab7627

so basically govt doesn't want it's citizens to know where they stand, many things would come out... i mean for starters imagine the income of people and taxes they pay

Upset-Gift-4429

Bjp and rss wants to establish upper caste led hindu majority state in my opinion so they are against to give more rights to sc and sts. If I am wrong please elaborate the mistake

iamNovaVoyager

https://i.redd.it/spfrwac4e1kd1.gif

कौन जात हो भाई?

ddxroy

Aside from policy issues, i think the BJPs stance on a lot of ideological issues will become exposed to be nothing more than UC North Indian talking points if they actually do a caste census and break down the actual numbers in terms of who belongs to what caste in the whole country. 

Once you have that picture, you can directly run a referendum on every single issue that any ruling party wants to put forth and see if indeed it is likely to enjoy broad based support or if it is just something done to placate the vested interests of some communities. 

One small example is including eggs along with midday meals in government schools. It's not allowed in many North Indian states and Gujarat whereas there is comparatively less opposition to it down South. That is because the only people who object to it are upper caste Hindus who are known to be a miniscule minority down South. If the numbers were to come out and that was proved to be  the same even in the North, it would be very difficult to justify preventing government schools from serving eggs as a part of the mid day meal curriculum solely on the whims of a numerically smaller group. 

People who say caste division will increase are missing the picture. Democracy is about representation of every strand of opinion, not papering over actual differences of powerx status, rights and brainwashing people to fall for artificially constructed "unity" of thought. 

Democratic discourse will deepen and obviously as a result more people from diverse backgrounds will come forward to ask for representation for their specific points of view which were hitherto getting unrepresented because a small cabal of few numerically small but deeply entrenched communities misappropriated the entire national discourse in the name of Hindu unity and national unity. 

Same goes for government jobs. Over a period of time, if it is seen that they are given only to a few dominant sections of society, then wider deliberations can begin in society where people can think about and talk about how to remedy this malaise.

jc2193

BJP has a huge base in upper caste Brahmins and baniyas and Rajputs, the day caste census is out and if it is revealed that OBC/SC/ST form a huge percentage of population, there would be demands for adequate representation in the political and administrative landscape , which is currently dominated by UCs, and hence BJP is vary of caste census!

Say the mfs who created the best divisive policies🪷🤡

Liberated_Wisemonk

The *sangh* oppose it because they want to create a pan-Hindu identity, to grow their voter base.

Unfortunately a fair number of otherwise anti-BJP liberals oppose a caste census too. No prizes for guessing their caste. 

A few of my otherwise liberal friends oppose it. They point out that we all grew up without caste, which is superficially true, but we still benefit from not having to compete with all the people who were denied the opportunities we were afforded.

It would be nice to live in a world where opportunity is equal, and to let meritocracy reign. But we don't, and hence I support the messy and complicated practice of reservations. And if we have reservations we need to know how and where and at whom to target them.

jon4than-swift

People on reddit wants Caste?! Wtf ?! Now people are supporting caste sensus?! Bruh , younger generation is also fucked😮‍💨

ViVi_MuJa

We need skill sensus not caste ![img](emote|t5_2kz7we|50625)

Bjp itself is a reason for division that we see in the country now

indubitablyme94

I do hope that there won't be a caste census as it would further divide nation and some retard politicians will use the findings for further reservations. It is just vote bank politics by Congress.

Slayer_reborn2912

The census will reveal many many truths e.g. how many deaths took place in covid, how many people are in the various castes and the benefits the govement is supposed to give them.....remember 52% of the population is OBCs and BJP holds on to alliances with the leaders in this group by handin out goverment concessions/schemes etc. as rewards for loyalty. No one knows how many OBCs officially exist....we only know them as Dalits and Adivasis (we have this [https://secc.gov.in](https://secc.gov.in) but the fancy graphs hides more than it reveals, the raw report was never release). This knowledge of OBCs and their various castes/sub castes and who has superiority over which caste (e.g. read the daily battles between mahuars vs chamars vs kumhars vs gurjars vs everyone else in Rajasthan).  We have a huge population who are simply overlooked (in terms of goverment schemes) because they are miscategorized as "Other" and this is a pandoras box, no one in power wants to open.

1tonsoprano

what is caste census can anyone explain me

Annual_Anybody5502

[https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/caste-census-shah-says-bjp-never-opposed-it-needs-careful-thought-9012522/](https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/caste-census-shah-says-bjp-never-opposed-it-needs-careful-thought-9012522/)

bruh

Then we won’t have to guess who actually holds power in this country. I suppose then they can’t divide people for their own benefit.

Amazing-Plankton5256

Head-Program4023

1. BJP doesn't want cast census as all the local parties have their focus on that and that's worrying for BJP.

2. If cast census happens, then BJP might have to work out solutions/development according to it. So it will be hounded by local parties. That will change the power balance.

3. Judiciary will intervene if someone filed cases and quoted "caste census".

4. BJP has been doing religion this and that. Cast census will take the focus off it.

zen-shen

Higher numbers are with lower castes and fear of their unity against upper castes?

Kris_714

Caste aur population census ek saath kro..best option.

Memelord46_

When has the BJP ever been pro data collection ?

AkaiAshu

All of this will end with a common EWS census and striking off of all official caste mentions from government and educational records. 

Id love to say throw in 2-5yr RI punishments for SC/ST act cases but I've seen too many instances of this being misused during the first 30 yrs of my life i spent in India.

DavidPuddy_229

BJP aur DATA ka inverse relation he, inse kisi v chiz ka data mango to data he gayab bolte hein

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U - turn ho gaya.

RulerOfTheDarkValley

I'm sure if the caste census comes out it'll show that upper caste minorities dominate tier 1 and tier 2 jobs in the govt. Just like the Bihar caste census indicated last year.

lovecraft_88

Lol at his nose. 

Rahul Gandhi should rather focus on sabka saath sabka vikas for real, this caste census etc is useless exercise creating unnecessary fissures.

chetan419

Supporting a caste census is crazy, it'll bring the country onto the brink of a civil war

CaptZurg

rishabh9719

I may be downvoted a lot but we don't need a caste census. Tell me One single benefit of the caste census??? What policy can be implemented after caste census which is not possible now????

gandash07

Leftists want to divide hindus using caste reservation. So that they can capture power

Critifin

To negate the point of reservations altogether.


They already fucked up the public service jobs. What's the point of reservations when there are no vacancies ? Why do caste census when there are no jobs ? 👀

Cause it makes no sense. As the entire fundamental of caste is not even represented as it was the whole even the word caste is taken from Kasta which is Portuguese.

Further Gov Of India cannot provide data of this I have asked them they couldn't provide data of discrimination from every princely states of India which is btw above 550+ which makes the current India.

This system was only laid down to lift people up which worked and was to be discarded however it didn't and it's extended every 10 years while one speaks of constitution this concept is illegal and invalid as per it's preamble itself.

Mother-Syrup-4109

Caste census karke kya fayda hone wala hai?? Konse naye reforms aane waale hai? Jyada se jyada reservation ka quota badha denge. Uske alawa caste census ka istemaal caste politics khelne mei hi hoga naa ki kuch productive kaam karne mei.

people_bastards

What good will the caste census do? Genuinely asking.

Actual-Ad-8880

What is this country missing from last 78 years that this bastar@d will achieve after doing caste census

keykeykeykeykeykeyk

Reservation leads to caste discrimination or caste discrimination leads to reservation??......phle murgi aayi ya anda type ka sawal hai but as a general candidate who has personally felt the wrath of reservation, I frown upon OBC abd SC for taking my share.

Though Honestly, Why does the Opposition demand a Census and why does the Govt  doesn’t want one ? 

What does the Govt lose or what will the Opposition gain from a Census ?? 

Anyone kind enough to explain in an easy way ??

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I have one question for him 

*aapki caste kya hai*

rainsonme

Talking of lateral entries being bad, wasn't Manmohan Singh a lateral entry into the finance ministry? Wasn't Raghuram Rajan a lateral entry into RBi? Wasn't Sam Pitroda a lateral entry into Telecom minister during Congress/UPA regime?

Did they look at reservations then?

ctrl-your-stupidness

Bangladesh wanted to remove reservations, this idiot wants to impose it more.

Bourbonaddicted

Reservations were introduced to make sure that socially backward class of the country could come in mainstream, but if in 2024 he’s making a lame argument that secretaries in Ministries, secretaries  in PMO, all key people in system are from General caste, so 

1. Does He mean that reservation is not working with an intention it was introduced with?
2. Aren’t you discriminating general caste, and making them feel like 2nd class citizens of India? (This is the same arguments He puts when he talks about Muslim minority)

I don’t see any solution to this, as All political parties keeps including their vote bank in reservations, INC kept putting people under reservations for vote gains.

I think Modi also added his caste in OBC when He was the CM of Gujarat. 

SP has put Yadavs in reservations.

Those who are already under reservations, now want quota to be increased!

I mean WTF is going on in this country?

Why no one has a gut to stand against this?

Full-World3090

This guy will burn the country down to just get a shot at PM..

PackFit9651

In his attempt to divide hindus, he'll push India to Civil War. 
And his last attempt to win elections.  Even if he wins, it will end the reservation faisco. When he'll implement reservations according to castes, UC will demand seats of their share. Simply reserve 33% seat for UC. Because they're 33% of population.  This is coming from an OBC. Then what? 
Reservation fiasco will end. 
Hindus will reunite and kick them out for eternity.

Large_Apple9274

I invite any left mindset person to defend this statement. Because I can't find any good intention for our nation in that statement.

thisdude_00

He will win. Socrates was talking about RaGa 2000 years ago. 

Government jobs have power because they were developed by Britishers to rule and pull their people in a tropical country.

Without a revolution there is no hope for the country. Reservation Triumphs all other subjects of the government. 

They're denying quality checks on the government servants. How can you expect quality work from such people.

Dank_e_donkey

Man UP will set an example of what will happen if you vote for congress. Let's see

Impossible-Unit-3961

This idiot is extremely dangerous. Gov needs to stop him ASAP

NirvanaShatakam

This sob follows only a single policy divide hindus and unite muslims , he somehow wants his family to return to power and keep their legacy which just isn't happening

manic_depressive100

When you are intellectually bankrupt and have no redeeming qualities, you rely on freebies.

Defines Rahul Gandhi perfectly. Socrates warned about Democracy being inherently flawed and he warned about people like Rahul Gandhi taking advantage of people who are morons and will sell their soul for short term advantage.

pratyush_1991

And few people here think he is the leader we should be looking at. He has a vision for a developed India. An asshloe who can't think beyond caste will lead us to a developed economy. How dumb one has to be to overlook how evil the Jannayak is.

cipher_hack

We must ask Rahul Gandhi as to what is he doing for promoting inter-caste familiarity and inter-caste marriages which is an acceptable solution for removing caste based differences in society?

Top_Guess_946

So let us bring the same criteria for political arena as well - Since Rahul Gandhi and all the other "young politicians and leaders" across India are privileged because of their birth in a ruling class directly without having to work their way up, all such privileged classes should be classified as dynastic ruling caste and they will have to get 99% votes in a constituency in order to be declared winner, whereas someone who is not related to any of this dynastic families, even if they get 20% of votes shall declared as winner. And it does not matter if someone is a child of an existing leader. Any relative to that leader is not eligible in the reservation category. 

The same can now be applied to movie dynasties which prevent others from getting their fair chances. 

Rahul Gandhi will never apply that to himself.

Seeker_00860

50% even if 1 % over that i will personally meet him

Severe_Programmer610

Man, this country is doomed if this is the best opposition we can get.

A few more years and the end is near.

aditya_7726

I see no reason for opposing caste census.   After almost 75 yrs of caste based reservations, We should know the current situation to implement any meaningful changes.   

Well it's too complicated to understand ..I' m just gonna say rahul is parsi mix breed destroying india.  Yawn ...Yawn...

neart_fior

He is playing dangerous game. Modi needs to take care of him before he becomes dangerous to India

MonkFire

Yar yeh pagal hai kya?
 Yeh nahi manta 50% toh us se kya hota hai?
 
Yeh Jeet bhi gaya aur isne try bhi Kiya 50 cross karne ka to Supreme Court usko ab initio ultravires of constitution declare karke wahi khatam kar dega. 


Fir India mein bhi Bangladesh wala hi hal ho jayega. Yar isko kisi aur kam mein lagao. Yeh leadergiri mein Desh ke law day lagwa dega

m0h1tkumaar

Honestly, it depends on the results of the census.

The logic around putting 50% was also pretty interpretational.

Basically SC said that constitution uses the word "special provision". They interpreted it by stating that something is special only if 50% or less people have it. So they put that cap. That is a pretty weak interpreation and by just removing the word "special", cap will go away.

At the end, reservation or affirmative action is about representation. It is not ideal but that is what we get when we as a society are so messed up.

Don't hate me for saying this. I am telling how things are and none of this is my doing. This sub can get weird so I have to put this out.

Disastrous-Raise-222

Where has it been concluded that social justice can be achieved only through such representation? Also, we must push for social justice, but then what's the guarantee that caste blocks going into the government will lead to 'annihilation of caste' - a dream of Ambedkar. 

We must ask Rahul Gandhi as to how does he plan to achieve Ambedkar's dream of annihilation of caste, when his suggestion will embed and preserve the very caste system that Ambedkar sought to achieve?

We must ask Rahul Gandhi as to whether he would expect same type of caste-based reservation in the private sector also, which is going to push all industrialists out of the country?



We must ask Rahul Gandhi why if his idea is so good, the private sector does not want to accept it? Why did Karnataka's congress government's move to bring reservation for Kannadigas received backlash from businesses in Karnataka? After all if reservations are good in the government, they must be good for private sector also?

But the reservations aren't being removed, only those who have already been receiving the benefits of it for generations and are economically strong are being asked to make room for their caste members who don't have similar opportunities.

Reservation and caste are the only two words this man keeps repeating goodness 

Fun-Loss-4094

Spartan-2004

Ye toh stunt hai bhai , iska wet dream of 90% reservation nhi ho payga kyuki courts unfortunately free hai iske rule se 

Dikkat yahi hai ki logical cheezo par bhi protest hote hai

child_target

Yeh script kidhar toh sunela lagta hai bhai.

Dr_Balls_Sr

There's a good chance this guy will become PM someday.

Samarium_15

Classic BJ playbook – when in doubt, delay until you can rewrite the script. A fresh census could bring skeletons out of every closet – rising unemployment, underfunded welfare, maybe even a population shift that redraws the map in ways they don’t like. Instead of fixing the problems, they’re stalling the clock while quietly building the ultimate PR shield. By the time the census actually happens, expect a flood of “new schemes” and “bold initiatives” to magically appear. The longer they wait, the easier it is to control the fallout. After all, why face the music when you can just change the song?

fauzibilla

It is a shameful failure of the government to not conduct the census - a dishonest approach to governing the country. Media is pathetic in the country that they cannot assess the importance of census.

IllustratorSharp3295

Only 5 is valid here. "Majority in trouble" will be proved invalid due to census and it is not beneficial to BJP.

Additionally, census will help in bringing focus to developmental issues and it is also not beneficial to them.

GreenBasi

It is the information age. And data is gold. It is the new oil, some say. 

But our government hates data.

I once read in a news article. That census can show large changes in population densities of some regions. Now according to election commission if an area gets significant increase in population density then, that particular constituency can be split into new constituencies. Now this could be the reason that the current govt doesn't want to do census maybe idk.

Nikolatikola

Feels like the census is expensive, and they’re busy spending record collections of tax on freebies, over-expensive Capex projects (with 40% commissions), and advertising Modi-Ji’s various “master strokes”. Hence, important things like the census have taken a backseat.

Wrong-Smile-8644

Genuine question. Do we really need census now?

Aadhar gets you  all the data in realti. E now. Obviously not publically published though

mygouldianfinch

India's central government has decided to include caste enumeration in the upcoming national census. The move has sparked political reactions, with Congress leader Rahul Gandhi stating that this decision comes after sustained pressure on the government. However, Prashant Kishor, a political strategist, cautioned that merely conducting the census without taking action on the findings would be ineffective. Meanwhile, Union Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan questioned the Congress party's historical inaction on the matter. The previous caste survey conducted in Bihar in 2023 is cited as a case where promises linked to the survey results have not been fulfilled. The caste census aims to gather detailed demographic data, sparking debate over its potential impact on social equity and political dynamics.

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