Public sentiment is significantly concerned and anxious about the India-Pakistan military confrontation in 2025. There's fear regarding potential nuclear escalation and its global consequences, mixed with skepticism regarding further escalation, recalling past conflicts. The recurring tensions between the countries and calls for international diplomatic intervention, especially from the US and China, are prominent themes.

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i_hate_cars_fuck_you

Does Pakistan support the terrorist groups in Indian-controlled Kashmir?

The news articles I see say “India claims” and “Pakistan denies”

But surely there’s some intelligence source or other news that can provide some context if India’s claims are likely true. 

octopod-reunion

This is crazy bad holy shit. I have employees in both countries I'm freaking out 

Jswazy

I’m not saying it’s ok but this is like what? The fifth or sixth time Pakistan and India have got into it like this. 

I still remember watching the Kargil movie 2003 was it?

SovietRobot

Is it possible that a nuclear war between these two wouldn’t end in a nuclear winter?

conn_r2112

The US needs to maintain diplomacy on both sides, call for de-escalation and stay out of it.

News_Reader17

&gt;India Launches Military Operation Against Pakistan

This is a war that started under Trump

Fun-Outcome8122

Babe wake up! ww3 started and it wasn't trump!

Frosty_Wampa4321

Didn't think WW3 would start off with a poopy twist

Dianafire6382

Would be interested to hear some analysis about the strain this might put on Russia's military hardware manufacturing. India buys a lot of their weaponry from Russia

andysay

Sir_Tmotts_III

"Is this the beginning of the end of everything?"


Everytime something unexpected happens, I have this sort worry.  It's irrational, but I'm feeling like everything is so strained and frayed right now. Who knows what happens next?


We're living in an age of anxiety.  

prizepig

I think this is where China/UN needs to step in cause Trump is gonna sit back and watch.

yasinburak15

[CNN:](https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/india-pakistan-attack-kashmir-tourists-intl-hnk?t=1746570674856)

&gt;Pakistan’s military claims it has shot down two Indian Air Force aircraft.

&gt;“There are two confirmed aircraft of the Indian Air Force have already been shot down,” Lt. Gen. Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry, spokesperson for the Pakistani military, told CNN’s Jim Sciutto. “There are other reports of multiple damages that the Pakistani forces, both on ground and air, have inflicted. But I can confirm you at least two aircraft of Indian Air Force that have been downed,” he added.

&gt;CNN cannot independently Chaudhry’s claims about if the planes were shot down. We are reaching out to the Indian Ministry of Defense for comment.

magic_missile

The_Grizzly-

This thread is an hour old as I’m writing this. I’ve done 0 research and honestly don’t care about India or Pakistan. Apparently, they both have nuke, so that’s definitely cause for concern. 

How will you go about learning about the conflict the next couple of days? I’ll read AP, maybe the BBC, and see how a few subreddits are reacting probably tomorrow. 

I doubt most people will care as much about this conflict as I/P or Russia/Ukraine. How do you expect conservatives will go about learning the conflict too? 

NPDogs21

bigbjarne

A_Child_of_Adam

Is it a confirmed theory that every country Vance visits, sees a major change (usually for the negative)? He went to the Vatican, and the pope died. He went to Pakistan, and they're starting a war. What's next on the agenda?

Bitter-Battle-3577

This is the first time two nuclear armed nation states have ever openly engaged one another in direct military conflict, correct?

EDIT: Not the first time, but still very scary.

Ares_Nyx1066

So, which side do we fund and send weapons and then pretend to be pro peace?

TicketFew9183

In a normal world the US President would be on the phone with their counterparts urging restraint. My guess is Trump is focused on phone calls to businesses to invest in his cryptocorruption.

ThePensiveE

So even though many people globally have probably forgotten does any one remember the 2002 standoff in the indo pak region and the talk of nuclear escalation? Stuff like this is what people need to watch out for.

Anglicanpolitics123

[89 seconds til midnight seems optimistic at this point.](https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/)

CincyAnarchy

This is how end of Pax Americana looks like. Hope Global South enjoys it.

Fluffy_While_7879

Thank goodness we have such talented diplomats in the Trump Administration.

Also, you can tell that Indians are not huge soccer fans. No European country would launch a military strike during injury time of the Champions league semifinal between Inter and Barcelona, *especially when the match is this wild.*

PepinoPicante

Thank god we are out of Afghanistan. Holy shit what a cluster fuck this would be if we were still there. 

Key_Elderberry_4447

WhiteLycan2020

This is an escalation, but a relatively tame one.

Ghostfire25

I said oh shit when they announced cutting off water. This is serious.

Kakamile

Good thing this aren’t hyper-nationalistic, unstable nuclear states…

Toroceratops

War is so fucking stupid. I'd encourage anyone to donate to relief efforts and hope this doesn't escalate into a full blown conflict between two nuclear powers.

cpashei

Odd-Principle8147

&gt;India Launches Military Operation Against Pakistan

fun

othelloinc

Aven_Osten



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&gt;On April 28, 2025, Pakistan’s Defence Minister, Khawaja Muhammad Asif, stated that a **military incursion by India is imminent**, following a deadly militant attack in Kashmir that killed 26 tourists. India, outraged by the attack, blamed Pakistan for supporting militancy in the contested Kashmir region, a territory over which both countries have fought multiple wars.
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&gt;In response to escalating tensions, Pakistan has **reinforced its military forces** and taken **strategic decisions** in preparation for a possible Indian attack. Although Asif did not provide detailed evidence, he cited India's rising aggressive rhetoric as a warning sign.
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&gt;India has linked the Kashmir attack to two militants allegedly from Pakistan, a claim Islamabad has **denied**, calling for an independent investigation instead. Asif emphasized that Pakistan would resort to its **nuclear arsenal only if its existence were directly threatened**.
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&gt;The article highlights the volatile situation between the **two nuclear-armed neighbors** and the potential for conflict escalation. 

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If India has reached the conclusion that Pakistan is behind this and conflict is the only option, we need to trigger the conflict as a response to Pehelgam AND ALSO AS A RESPONSE TO A RECENTLY CONCLUDED INVESTIGATION THAT FOUND PAKISTAN GUILTY OF KILLING INNOCENTS IN PREVIOUS ATTACKS.


The chinese have provoked India with their support to pak. Cant say Im surprised. Their basis is to ask for an 'investigation'

Lets see if the chinese are willing to do more than words. If yes, change the taiwan policy to be borderline belligerent.
The scale goes from words to weapons to giving them nukes. All options on the table.. Just like china gave to Pak in the 70s 80s..
I would be surprised if china has anything more to offer to pak than words and some unsc bs support

To address the 'we need to finish the investigation' nonsense i repeat we can say the following - 

This recently concluded investigation has resulted in finding that the 2008 attasks or (the recent bus attacks on pilgrims) had the support of the highest level in Pak. India therefore sees this as an Act of War and is acting in retaliation to that.

This will expose the chinese intentions and address the world's concerns about 'investigations'

shankisaiyan

This sub and its mod rules to create a post are just pathetic.

free_mind_2024

SS: 
### Summary:

On April 28, 2025, Pakistan’s Defence Minister, Khawaja Muhammad Asif, stated that a **military incursion by India is imminent**, following a deadly militant attack in Kashmir that killed 26 tourists. India, outraged by the attack, blamed Pakistan for supporting militancy in the contested Kashmir region, a territory over which both countries have fought multiple wars.

In response to escalating tensions, Pakistan has **reinforced its military forces** and taken **strategic decisions** in preparation for a possible Indian attack. Although Asif did not provide detailed evidence, he cited India's rising aggressive rhetoric as a warning sign.

India has linked the Kashmir attack to two militants allegedly from Pakistan, a claim Islamabad has **denied**, calling for an independent investigation instead. Asif emphasized that Pakistan would resort to its **nuclear arsenal only if its existence were directly threatened**.

The article highlights the volatile situation between the **two nuclear-armed neighbors** and the potential for conflict escalation.

BROWN-MUNDA_

I'll plop down this info &amp; thread to help focus any nuclear-related concerns. This isn't meant to fearmonger or the like, but acknowledge there is a significant factor present in this conflict

While the Cold War foes usually gain the nuclear attention (and Russia still is a very valid concern), the India/Pakistan conflict has been simmering on the sidelines. Hopefully, this is a simple tit-for-tat scenario, similar to other conflicts between the two powers that have occurred multiple times in their history. This sort of conflict isn't new in terms of the history between India &amp; Pakistan- there have been multiple small exchanges and limited conflicts like this. It's likely that this is just the latest in such exchanges, and I certainly hope that's the case.

That said, both are nuclear nations with very different thresholds for nuclear conflict. While India has a no first-use policy, Pakistan does not, and as per their military doctrine, can respond to a conventional attack with a nuclear force. For those prepping beyond "Tuesday" scenarios, it's worth accounting for. I'm personally watching this very, very closely.

For those curious, there have actually been specific studies about how a limited nuclear exchange between the two countries would play out back in 2020. [https://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/IndiaPakistanBullAtomSci.pdf](https://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/IndiaPakistanBullAtomSci.pdf)

&gt;A limited nuclear war between India and Pakistan could ignite fires large enough to emit more than 5 Tg of soot into the stratosphere. Climate model simulations have shown severe resulting climate perturbations with declines in global mean temperature by 1.8 °C and precipitation by 8%, for at least 5 y.

&gt;Here we evaluate impacts for the global food system. Six harmonized state-of-the-art crop models show that global caloric production from maize, wheat, rice, and soybean falls by 13 (1)%, 11 (8)%, 3 (5)%, and 17 (2)% over 5 y. Total single-year losses of 12 (4)% quadruple the largest observed historical anomaly and exceed impacts caused by historic droughts and volcanic eruptions. Colder temperatures drive losses more than changes in precipitation and solar radiation, leading to strongest impacts in temperate regions poleward of 30°N, including the United States, Europe, and China for 10 to 15 y.

There was additionally a research paper published in 2019 about a hypothetical conflict between India/Pakistan in 2025 (A then-hypothetical date that ended up being unfortunately accurate, hopefully in date only.) [https://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/IndiaPakistanBullAtomSci.pdf](https://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/IndiaPakistanBullAtomSci.pdf)

&gt;This article describes how an India-Pakistan nuclear war might come to pass, and what the local and global effects of such a war might be. The direct effects of this nuclear exchange would be horrible; the authors estimate that 50 to 125 million people would die, depending on whether the weapons used had yields of 15, 50, or 100 kilotons. The ramifications for Indian and Pakistani society would be major and long lasting, with many major cities largely destroyed and uninhabitable, millions of injured people needing care, and power, transportation, and financial infrastructure in ruins. But the climatic effects of the smoke produced by an India-Pakistan nuclear war would not be confined to the subcontinent, or even to Asia. Those effects would be enormous and global in scope.

Obviously, I hope this is just a brief, limited back-and-forth exchange. But it'd be foolish to ignore the other, unlikely possibilities in regards to nuclear escalation.

TheRealBunkerJohn

I look forward to (a) this becoming a partisan issue and (b) everyone becoming an overnight expert on India / Pakistan.

BallsOutKrunked

Yanrogue

Nufonewhodis4

DanoPinyon

Comfortable-Race-547

Unless any major sites are Targeted. This is just another usual theatrics from both the two countries. It won't amount to nothing but a few skirmishes

Previously an Indian jet was shot down inside paki territory some few years ago during a retaliatory operation. Similar scenario to what happened the past weeks. 

Reddit went doomsday mode back then too.

Traditional-Run7315

The two questions on my mind:

1)  Is this going to go nuclear?

2)  If so, is it going to stay between India and Pakistan?

From PURELY a North American prepper perspective, these are the actionable points.

Eredani

Hi, looking for quick offline prep apps like online survival guides.. currently downloading offline maps for my local

tr2727

[Reporting by Bloomberg](https://archive.ph/3Ks4I)

upandtotheleftplease

Feels like the beginning of Threads, in that there’s some saber rattling between two far off places that is on the news, but we can tune it out. Until we can’t

logicflawz

Both sides of this have spent decades at this point posturing about how they'd love to destroy the other.
A lot of people think it won't escalate but this whole thing has been simmering away for a long time now. 
Whole generations raised into thinking they need to destroy the enemy.
Just look at videos like the "Pakistan Great" one.

Fingers crossed nothing happens but it is a very real possibility now.

FinalInitiative4

I reached out to a friend in/from Pakistan and received this reply:

*"Hi, thank you for your concern. Yes There were four missiles strikes last night by India. But nothing to worry about as these are friendly fires. It is the election year in India so just to gain public support for election, a limited-scale low-intensity hostility is much needed by the Indian Govt. Rest is ok"*

🤷‍♀️

SeaWeedSkis

1999 it almost came to nukes.

I know the story but AI is pretty good at putting it in a concise summary. 


In 1999, during the Kargil War, tensions between Pakistan and India escalated sharply. The conflict began when Pakistani troops and militants infiltrated Indian-administered Kashmir, occupying strategic positions. India responded with a robust military operation, including airstrikes, to reclaim the territory. As Indian forces gained the upper hand, Pakistan faced intense pressure.

Declassified U.S. intelligence and diplomatic accounts from the time suggest Pakistan may have prepared its nuclear arsenal for potential use. According to reports, U.S. officials detected signs that Pakistan was moving nuclear warheads or readying delivery systems, possibly as a deterrent or in fear of an overwhelming Indian conventional attack. 

The exact extent of these preparations remains debated, but the U.S. took the threat seriously enough to intervene diplomatically.


President Bill Clinton’s administration pressured Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to withdraw forces from Kargil. In a critical July 4, 1999, meeting in Washington, Sharif agreed to de-escalate, influenced by U.S. warnings about the catastrophic risks of nuclear escalation and Pakistan’s diplomatic isolation. India’s restraint in not crossing the Line of Control also helped prevent further escalation.


No definitive evidence confirms Pakistan was on the brink of launching a nuclear strike, and some Pakistani officials later denied such intent. However, the crisis underscored the volatility of India-Pakistan relations, with both nations possessing nuclear capabilities and a history of mistrust. The Kargil War ended with Pakistan’s withdrawal, but the specter of nuclear conflict highlighted the stakes in the region.

Urantian6250

Pakistan is actively bombing India with artillery or rockets right now.  Watching it on a live stream.  The Indian military has also stated this is happening.  These two states have no self control, let's be honest.  It will only escalate from here.

FullyUndug

Min-3 max -5 Indian jets have been shot down

coffeeberries

I am from India, living 100 kilometers from the border. Could someone give me a quick rundown of what and how to prepare? So far I have gathered

1. Dry food

2. Water, drinking

3. Batteries, emergency lights, flashlights

4. Medicines, both the usual and some special ones I use

5. Fuel: kerosene, diesel

6. Cash

7. Some basic tools, knife, pliers, a crowbar

Hungry-baby123

I thought nuclear winter has been disproven? I’d love some information on that. I remember reading some research articles disproving it wouldn’t happen and then proved what would happen.

IamNotGuitar

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Successful_Ride6920

Personally, I’m concerned this is going to lead to smaller skirmishes among diasporas. In my area and country in general, there’s a significant population of both Indians and Pakistanis. They’re usually fairly chill with one another but I worry this may break the peace.

Evening-Pay-1951

lnnerCitadel

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Smells like China has something to do with this

Blue_Path

It would be interesting to look at how many kt/mt of nukes both India and Pakistan have, then correlate that to the amount of atmospheric testing that the Soviets and us did in the 40s-70's or whenever above ground testing was banned. 

Was there an ice age then?

Carl Sagan's "nuclear winter" theory has been largely rebuked. As a survivalist, is it a possible scenario to prepare for? Yeah I think it is. 

That being said, that means about 2 years of storage food, planning on not being able to garden or grow much for a year or so, etc. 

New folks now think 2 weeks food is enough, it won't be enough in this sort of scenario. 

If you think this is a possibility, then I would look to put up a year or two of the basics ASAP. 

Fallout won't be a huge concern in the US from India/Pakistan, but who knows if it will stop there. 

The question you should ask is where is your trigger point for action on this? This is something that needs to be set now. I.e, when are you going to put plans into ACTION? Are you going to watch this escalate on the news and post "do you all think it will get worse?" or will you be getting away from the city for a few weeks "vacation" to play it safe?

JRHLowdown3

I’m wondering what this is going to do with the disputed India China border. Seems like a prime opportunity for a China with more aggressive rhetoric to move the line of actual control. Seems like China could really escalate things. Even with china’s cautious moves, the Indian border seems like a pretty soft target.

nobody4456

Niubi14

So Pakistan somehow shot the Indian jets inside India and recorded all the visuals of debris inside Pakistan?

ExtremeBack1427

It’s sad that you had to use AI to understand the concept of long range missiles. And the AI diagram is dogshit as well.

Submitten

Traeos

Any recommended reading on the events that led up to the current state of things? Seems like India and Pakistan is coming to the edge of a potential war out of nowhere so I must have missed a lot of things recently.

Surrounded-by_Idiots

Reports have emerged of an escalation in military tensions between India and Pakistan. An F-16 fighter jet from the Pakistan Air Force was shot down by an Indian surface-to-air missile near the Sargodha air base in Pakistan. This escalation follows India's 'Operation Sindoor' and has led to significant military activity along the Line of Control, with heavy artillery fire reported in multiple districts.

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