Public sentiment is predominantly negative towards reinstating the Indus Waters Treaty without Pakistan addressing its involvement in terrorism and returning Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK). The consensus is that India's reconsideration of the treaty is justified due to Pakistan's perceived provocations. Many view the treaty as a potential negotiation tool to exert pressure on Pakistan to curb terrorism and reclaim strategic assets. There's widespread skepticism about Pakistan's sincerity in making concessions, with a call for India to take firm action to protect its interests. The reactions to potentially suspending the treaty range from approval to cautious optimism, reflecting a demand for tangible actions from India.

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Pakistan

Lol, whatever happened to them winning the war?

schumi_pete

India should ask Pakistan to hand over Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar if they want the treaty reinstated.

No_Macaron_5113

Only talk if they dismantle terrorist infrastructure in pakistan and hand over all indian listed terrorist to india

TangeloAdventurous74

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There is nothing to discuss, just build the damn dam already

im_just_depressed

i feel like pak is very dangerously gonna face a collapse and balkanize soon, to avoid that scenario they are trying their best not to do that as nukes could fall to terrorists

Estriper_25

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GothSlutProphet

It depends on the party negotiating. If Pak gov has the Army backing to do negotiations, it will more likely indirectly threaten war and terrorism. If Pak gov doing it independently, they will promise to curtail their terrorist organisations but will basically do nothing as their army probably won’t cooperate.

Either way, we shouldn’t go back without any actual significant steps taken with visible results. Suspension of Indus water treaty is bigger than Operation Sindoor long term and it would be just weak to capitulate for meaningless promises.

Full-Philosopher-393

There should be no talk.

If we reinstate it, that means we learnt nothing and they will continue to fuck us over.

et-nad

International_Hat507

"willing to discuss"

So its like a FAVOUR they're doing to us?

Preconditions for talks can be complete dismantling of Pakistani terror infrastructure and handing over of terrorists.

Affectionate-Ball-35

Pok dedo, remove terrorist, we will inform you guys before hand when dam gate open and close, that’s max we can do

Abbkbb

It is time India links the flow of water with oil. Water goes from India to Pakistan yet nothing comes from Pakistan to India. 

Let Pakistan give India access to Iran (Oil &amp; Gas) and Afghanistan (Minerals). Beneficial for both the nations, Pakistan may even charge for providing the access.

Bendy_River

Return PoK then we can discuss.          
Terrorism shouldn’t be on the negotiating table

goshdagny

The Indus water treaty has no short time impact on the business with US. So, Trumpet is not interested about it, and not going to force both country to come to an agreement.

Pakistan sincerely hoped for US based mediation or some level of backing.

As it is no longer coming, they have not choice other than “request India”.

On the other hand, we just need to do nothing, control the flow and let them suffer.

Sooner or later they have to beg for it.

BirdWatcher_In

The deal is simple.  They should crackdown on LET and JEM and stop supplying terrorists, arms and funding to Kashmir.


And we should reinstate the treaty for 6 months. Every 6 months,  there should be a review and if Pak is not doing enough, it gets suspended again.


Any time there is a terror attack and we have any intelligence of ties to Pak, the treaty gets suspended indefinitely. 


I think POK isnt a realistic goal. It will add an unnecessary headache to us trying to administer people who dont want to be a part of India.

revolution110

Ask PoK. No poK. No negotiation or even a talk

Odd-Book3616

This is a great window of opportunity to negotiate hard for things like a piece of land maybe?

Jackshankar

India should simply say, NO, there is nothing to discuss.

Adventurous_Bath3999

gluehuffer144

DP23-25

When China cuts off water against India, the same jingos won't be cheering

Outragez_guy_

I hope we don't take back decision due to international mediation based on humanitarian grounds.

We should hold back talks and ignore things until we've built infra on the river to a point we have maximum control over the waters and then put our terms.

Existing-Mulberry382

It's such a shame these people have decided to become guns for hire for different world powers for basically their entire existence as a country. If only they put their narrow mindedness aside and worked with us for the betterment of the region.

AgainDan27

Take back PoK, eliminate terrorist camps and only then the water treaty terms will be discussed.

boom_clap_boom

KaranSheth

Sorry state of affairs with the way Reuters and Al Jazeera have done "journalism" on India Pak issues. I can understand indian media being heavily biased in the opposite direction with their silly "entertainment first" news but this amount of shithousery from international news sites? 

RationalPsycho42

As a gesture of goodwill, India agreed to give Pakistan 80% of the water under the IWT a deal many consider unfair. Despite wars &amp; provocations, India has consistently honored that treaty. So why is it unreasonable to now ask for a more balanced share, especially when India has a significantly larger population to support?

IamAdvikaaa

Blood and water will not flow together, stop the terrorism get the water

Parking_Ear8014

India should just donate a stable government to Pakistan. I think they need that more than water

smackythefrog

Conjaybro

No country is obligated to feed its enemies.  Pakistan is at fault for causing this situation with their attacks against India.

The-M0untain

Won't the monsoons make this impossible?  I don't know if the rivers at play are affected by them or not.

beached

They don’t need water 💧 

They are interested in rivers of honey 🍯.

shoppingdiscussions

Water wars have been coming for decades. Climate change will only accelerate it. 


  Mass cheap energy and desalination plants will help some areas survive, but many are gping to die.

UnionGuyCanada

KGN-Tian-CAi

nateguo

This will be a humanitarian and ecological disaster. 

DentistCertain3897

brickyardjimmy

JKlerk

Ah the water wars….we’ve been expecting you my friend (I know they started a while back).

realized_loss

What will happen on a bigger scale in the future: various countries will have water shortages and become unliveable, sparking mass migrations and civil unrest globally.

Water Wars are coming.

Captain-Obvious-69

This may be a bad precedent to set for us, what you do to others you can’t cry when others do the same to you.

Edit: Fellow Redditors - do you know there is another river in our country called the Brahmaputra - we are downstream and our lovely neighbours can block that water because they are allied with the military state on the left.

Sorry-Water-8530

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The government also called an all party-meeting for tomorrow. 

Defense minister and home minister to speak and address.

Griffindor-69

The all party meeting looks like serious shit.

arghyaghosh0104

Here are 5 major announcements made by the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA):

**Suspension of Indus Waters Cooperation**: India has suspended the Indus Waters Treaty, under which 39 billion cubic meters of water from the Indus River system flows from India into Pakistan annually. The treaty, which governs the sharing of river waters between the two countries, has long been considered a symbol of cooperation even amid years-long conflict.

**Closure of Attari-Wagah Border**: The iconic Attari-Wagah land crossing, a critical point for trade and people-to-people contact between India and Pakistan, has been shut down with immediate effect.

**Ban on Pakistani Nationals Entering India**: The entry of Pakistani citizens into India has been suspended indefinitely. This includes both visa services and cross-border travel permits.

**Expulsion of Military Advisors**: All military advisors posted at the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi have been expelled, signalling a downgrade in military-to-military diplomatic engagement.

**Reduction of High Commission Staff Strength**: India has asked Pakistan to reduce its diplomatic presence in New Delhi to a skeletal staff of 30, effectively slashing the mission's current operating capacity of 55

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Knight-Peace

If terrorists are not held accountable, they will attack again because they know they can get away with it.

As India is the upper riparian country, it had all the cards, and Pakistan depends on the Indus Valley Basin for a majority of its domestic needs. The treaty was not at all favorable to India, but the then Prime Minister Nehru went ahead with it, thinking that it would help foster some cooperation with Pakistan. Obviously, that never happened. India and Pakistan have gone to war four times after it, along with multiple skirmishes over the decades, but India has upheld its part of the deal throughout.


In 2019, after the Pulwama terror attack, India, which was using only 14% of its mandated 20%, started using the full 20% of its own share, which Pakistan didn’t like. Now, there are talks of suspending the treaty entirely. 


The Indus Water Treaty does not have an exit clause as it was meant to last indefinitely. Generally, India has a good reputation for honoring its treaties, but I wonder on what basis it could get out of this one. Without an exit clause, it’s difficult, but following the maxim rebus sic stantibus, a party may no longer be bound by a contract if there has been a fundamental change in the circumstances that existed at the time it was signed, though the claim is tenuous. Or by mutual consent of both countries, though i don't see that happening. 


Though this is an existential threat to Pakistan, realistically India cannot do much to divert much of the water immediately. It would take 10-15 years to do that. 

Affectionate_Bee6432

This should have been taken long back. Good that the government has paused the treaty. 
In reality i think it would take years to build dams and to divert flow, but India should not back down and should keep it as is.

saw_nick

Was about to post the story!

Glad you did it first!

It's a very substantial development as Indus water treaty is a major pact between the two countries that hadn't been touched.

Pakistan is a failed military state masquerading as an 'Ally to the west Democratic nation'. Situations are certainly starting to stirr up. Water is a very precious commodity in Pakistan owing to the extensive irrigation policies from British Era till now.

I think we may see further rising in tensions between these two states, with this being the accelerator.

Holy Fuck

Hrit33

I wonder if this is just posturing or will they actually stop the water to Pakistan?

Shubh_K30

armchairphilosipher

is there a way to verify that India will actually stop or divert water flow to Pakistan ? 

current suspension means basically no data sharing, no 'obligation' to share the water under the treaty.


Asking because if they actually do what they say, we should see Pakistan crying to China and potentially resulting in upstream water from China getting siphoned.

theenigma017

&gt;India has suspended the Indus Waters Treaty, under which 39 billion cubic meters of water from the Indus River system flows from India annually.

It's really shocking that we're at this point. Truly... It's just so sad to see what's happened, to be honest. I mean, the fact that the Indus Waters Treaty, which has been a symbol of cooperation for so long, has had to be suspended... well, it just shows how grave the situation is. It's a necessary move, of course, protecting our citizens is paramount, and it's incredibly concerning how this has unfolded. A lot of us are just praying for peace and safety now. I hope things improve quickly.

Tremenda-Carucha

That’s it? Israel sent Palestine back to Stone Age when they attacked civilians

Minute_Tea3754

All party meeting called. RIP PAK (1947-2025)

Murky_Code_

another exciting step on the way to global collapse, war and devastation.

this time, we'll get to watch it all live, wearing our favorite team's colors.

seattle_lib

ArtNo6305

The indus water, ik it's a dumb question but how would india stop it suddenly? Like the treaty had restricted india on building dams though and even if india starts building it would take months and year.

I am genuinely curious because I don't think it will affect them overnight but surely it would affect Pakistan in later.

( pleasw don't downvote me I am just a curious person so yeah I would appreciate your reply 😭😭)

Gullible_Ad_1395

Bearish on pakistan long term. They’re gonna get ecologically decimated slowly over the course of decades.

Western_Context8987

Wow yet another war. The world really can’t get a break huh.

kingOofgames

Extra-Beginning-5927

I can't imagine the consequences of India's attack on Pakistan. To be honest, the various problems exposed by the Indian army are really speechless. Submarines were detonated in their own ports, military aircraft crashed regularly, and the logistics system was poor and corrupt. Such an army has almost no combat effectiveness. Why can't Indians live in peace with their neighbors? You have terrible relations with almost all your neighbors, and your military capabilities are not enough to deter them. Can you solve all this in a peaceful way? China is watching all this, please don't act rashly.

One-Conflict2062

Is there any evidence Pakistan was behind the attack? Kashmir is a delicate place on the best of days, it could well have been a domestic Islamist group.

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Ghumonto_atma

just sounds like random shouting,can't understand wtf they are saying

throwaway462512

Tho i do feel bad for them. As most of these guys (whether or not they are religiously dogmatic) are just people who are living their lives. But I personally don't give a rats ass till either, the current pakistani political system ceases to exist or Pakistan as a nation ceases to exist. They have too much power and they don't do any good for any of their neighbours (heck even china).

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eric_missile

Joke of a country with idiots for population, like their opinions matter. If it did they’d have had a government that’s responsible not just living and breathing off India and Hindu hatred.

EchoPrimary7182

Nah, don't lift the water suspension unless the Pakistani govt. surrenders the terrorist who attacked us.

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both sets of citizens are idiots. makes sense as the genes are identical.

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This is just one another episode of the neighbors doing something horrible and pinning it on us. Im more worried about the movie which they are going to make out of this. Indeed a horrible state.

Rexrecokning

Bhai drame Hain sare... Do you think given our current economic conditions... Lack of public support and trust in the forces... And given our weak foreign policy... There will never be war ... We are not competent enough.. plus India also can't afford it ... BC there is so much else going on in the world that even if anyone starts anything there wouldn't be any financial or troop support from any of the superpowers... This was just a stunt to deviate attention from their actual issues... These are just political tactics... N also who told them to opress a population for decades and not expect any retaliation... Ajeeb ...

happyfour381

A war wouldn't happen. At most it will be a couple of air raids.

If a war does happen, it's not going to be fought by conventional means. Also, Pakistan has more than enough reserves to recruit into the army, so ordinary civilians don't have to enlist.

Silver-Shadow2006

To get my family immediately out of Pakistan

Point-Dramatic

To keep performing our jobs or businesses honestly and not ripping off people in this situation and keep contributing to our economy so that it keeps working and law and order situation is maintained, that's all , leave the fighting of war and negotiations to politics,army and various guerilla fighters that would be used in case things get worse

AccordingPeach5211

Pakistan has a large voluntary army. There was historically never any additional recruitment or conscription during previous conflicts with India.

This is because the wars were always over much faster than the recruitment cycle of effective soldiers. It takes a minimum of two months to turn a civilian into a barely effective fighter; it takes several months to turn them into a reliable soldier. By contrast, the 1965 war lasted 6 weeks and the 1971 war was just 2 weeks.

The main duty of Pakistan’s civilians will be to just keep working, keep the economy running.

And the most important duty will be DO NOT DISCUSS MILITARY MOVEMENTS OR ACTIVITIES. No talking about what you saw online or even on the phone.

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Escalating tensions between India and Pakistan have prompted India to reconsider the Indus Waters Treaty, affecting water-sharing arrangements due to perceived proxy war strategies by Pakistan.

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