Public opinion on ICE's record arrests is deeply polarized. Many comments express strong support for the enforcement of immigration laws, citing the need for law and order and crediting President Trump for fulfilling campaign promises. Supporters often highlight the legality and safety benefits of the operation. Conversely, there is significant criticism concerning the ethical implications, human rights issues, and the aggressive tactics used. Detractors question the humanitarian impact and fairness towards those arrested, with some comparing the situation to practices of oppressive regimes.

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If they are going to appointments then they aren't illegal.

homebrew_1

&gt;At least some of the arrests appear to be the result of a new ICE tactic: Immigration attorneys across the country told NBC News that some of their clients on ATD were asked in a mass text message ICE sent out to show up ahead of schedule for check-ins at ICE offices, only to be arrested when they arrived...

&gt;“If you enter, there’s a possibility that they’ll take you into custody,” she said. “And if you don’t enter, you’ve missed your appointment, and that’s automatic deportation. We have no way out.”

&gt;The White House deputy chief of staff for policy, Stephen Miller, threatened in a meeting with ICE leadership last month to [fire senior officials](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/ice-operation-trump-focus-immigration-reshape-federal-law-enforcement-rcna193494) if the agency does not start making 3,000 arrests per day, according to two sources who spoke to attendees.

Danciusly

Trump is bragging about arresting people he previously allowed into the country. Loosen the border in order to goose the arrest numbers. It’s a ridiculous thing to brag about.

ranchoparksteve

TintedApostle

My brother-in-law married a Cambodian recently and as a federal employee  at the BOP he is stuck between a rock and hard place when it comes to her next check-in.

geekstone

it would be hilarious if trump directed ice to go after musk at this point.

VOIDsama

Rather than intermittent articles it feels like this issue should be a 24/7 media-storm.

Why after 4 years of screaming alarm bells and an entire election cycle focused on the crisis of "MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS" invading America,...

Why are they:

A) Seemingly unable to locate and deporting them

B) Relying on the wholesale manufacture of new classes of undocumented by rescinding the legal status of millions

C) Desperately holding PR stunts and arresting people clearly following the law

Why is the question of truth not omnipresent. Why is the press, and Dems for that matter, not constantly  asking why they need to follow this strategy, if indeed there were "millions of illegals" and criminals?

5minArgument

It's really important in these discussions to understand that ICE has the authority to detain and arrest citizens as well as aliens.  There is a massive misconception as to the limits of ICE's statutory authority, but they are legally able to arrest and charge people for crimes that are not immigration-related.

masingen

They are *very* occasionally [detaining them.](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-u-s-citizen-was-held-for-pickup-by-ice-despite-proof-he-was-born-in-the-country) To me it seems absurd to intentionally hold a citizen for 2 days after it's proven they're a citizen, but is that a violation of due process? I'm not sure. Probably not. It seems more problematic to me that they picked this guy up while enforcing a policy that a judge had ruled they could not enforce.

EDIT: [Here's a running list of detained US citizens.](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/tracking-us-citizens-children-detained-deported-ice-trump-updates.html) Some of them make *legal* sense, whether you like the outcome or not (I'm generally in favor of amnesty), like minors who go along with their guardians who are being deported for not being here legally. Others seem to be based on racial profiling, which is hard to prove, but probably doesn't violate due process because they were either let go or released after some reasonable time in detainment. Still others like Julio Noriega were detained despite holding *on their person* documents proving their citizenship. And then there's the case of Jose Hermosillo, a man with learning disabilities who was held for 10 days despite claiming citizenship, with a whole bunch of paperwork issues that suggest somebody at BP was trying to cover their ass and didn't care about what the detainee had to say. Even in these last two cases, which seems egregious, the detained individual was released once citizenship was established beyond any reasonable doubt. I think the final case is probably the strongest one to suggest a due process issue, but that's Border Patrol rather than ICE, and I think every policing agency in the country has issues dealing with people with learning disabilities and illiteracy (which doesn't excuse it, we should fix it).

I am not sure the idea of rounding up every brown person who doesn't speak English well is sustainable. Unfortunately (or fortunately?), I don't think that's a discussion of due process, but of agency culture and overzealous enforcement.

Ritz527

They deport the parents of a child and they take the child with them, that's reddit version if deporting legal citizens

Ghazh

Chance_Fix_6708

https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-ice-air-deportation-flights

Read this to understand how deportations really look. And then tell me this is ok in America

SunnyMondayMorning

Define detain here… I mean we had a bunch of US citizen children be deported with their parents. Technical that means they were in custody. There is the mayor of Newark who has been detained by ICE and he is a citizen

https://pix11.com/news/local-news/newark-mayor-ras-baraka-taken-into-custody-by-ice-in-new-jersey/

madtowneast

mnrqz

Your question is so politically loaded you’ll never get a real answer on the internet. Everyone seems to have a very strong opinion. 

What do you mean by “detained”? Is a couple hours for questioning equivalent in your eyes, to say, sending someone to an immigration detention center? Would you be upset if ICE agents arrested citizens on suspicion of crimes unrelated to immigration, but that they still can legally arrest for? Are you worried about deportations of citizens who are small children if they’re expelled with their illegal immigrant parents who want to keep the family together and chose that option?

Think about the answers to those questions. Yes there have been a handful of citizens detained or even arrested. Whether or not you think it’s a big deal depends on your answers to my above questions.

banDogsNotGuns

If china, Russia, Iran, or whatever "bad guy" were doing these things, they'd be called "illegal abductions" and "government disappearances"

The only thing anyone needs to know is that the constitution is supposed to protect everyone under it's jurisdiction equally

The dude they sent by "mistake" was here legally and had an "not to deport" order

asselfoley

https://sourcenm.com/briefs/arizona-ag-queries-ice-about-arrest-of-new-mexico-man/

https://www.koat.com/article/las-cruces-former-judge-allegations-gang-new-mexico/64583129

11093PlusDays

Altruistic_Reveal_51

Yes indeed! Many US born citizens are being deported to their birth country as well! 🙄

nygringo

First - there is no such thing as a legal citizen.  You are either a citizen or you are not. Not every immigrant is eligible to apply for citizenship and at min they need to be in the US for 3-5 years before filing. There are legal immigrants. This includes people with legal status (like permanent legal residents, or people with any variety of valid visas) or legal presence (people who may have crossed illegally to seek asylum - which is in fact legal), people with temporary protected status or any number of the many legal immigration processes the US offers.  

That said, if you mean to ask if ICE agents are arresting Legal Immigrants- the answer is yes. There are multiple examples of people having their greencard or protected status revoked - for some accusation without any supporting evidence (Mahmoud Khalil), Mondawi was arrested when going to his citizenship interview (later he was released b/c the government could not produce any evidence/reason for his arrest, Ozturk was arrested by plain clothes officers for writing an oped - and recently there was a guy in Whitefish, MT who was arrested, taken out of state and set freee after a lawyer volunteered to represent him - with no ride home. All of these are examples of legal immigrants being arrested without breaking any law including immigration law. There are more examples too, this is just a few.

ZealousidealDrive390

There is a difference between detain and charge? Police can detain anyone, anywhere and anytime for 48 hours but to formally arrest and charge, there has to be an evidence of wrong doing.

wanderer_177

No, undocumented mothers have been deported and have taken their citizen child with them.

gonzalez260292

Of course they detain legal citizens.  They have always done this in many circumstances.

soundkite

I take your question to mean, "Has ICE mistakenly detained a US citizen for what they believed to be immigration violations?"

I rephrase it that way because ICE agents can, for example, arrest US citizens for certain violations of federal law. This would be unremarkable: they are, after all, federal law enforcement agents. \\

The answer to your question is yes. [Here is a story](https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/president-trump-politics/sen-warner-seeks-answers-about-ice-detaining-us-citizen/3873086/) from Manassas, Virginia, describing the handcuffing and detention of one Jensy Machado, who, ironically enough, drives a pickup truck bearing a Trump campaign sticker and says he voted for Trump.

&gt;“They didn’t ask me for any ID,” he said. “I was telling the officer if I can give an ID, but he said to just keep my hands up and not moving. And then after that, he told me to get out of the car and then he put the handcuffs on me. And then he went to me and said how did I get into this country and if I was waiting for court or do I have any case? And I told him I was an American citizen, and he looked at his other partner, like, you know, smiling, like saying, ‘Can you believe this guy?’ Because he asked the other guy, ‘Do you believe him?’”

Bricker1492

Simply put, the constitution says "persons" while explaining due process. 
Due process is very important.  It's one of the reasons for the revolution.  George III could do whatever he wanted to anybody and their property.
America didn't want to be like Britain.
Due process separates us from other countries.

TheOrangeofSpecies

cliddle420

I’ve been seeing so many videos and it’s worrying me. And not only that but I’ve been hearing of legal citizens with no criminal records getting sent to prison camps. And going missing. 

Please someone put my mind at rest.

DesperateHornet9148

&gt;Are ICE agents truly detaining LEGAL citizens?

First off, there is no such thing as an illegal citizen.  So you don't need to specify LEGAL citizen.  

But the answer is yes.  It is rare that a citizen will be detain, and even rarer that they will be detained for more than a brief moment due to immigration issues, but it does happen. Law enforcement is not perfect.  Just as you might be detained by police for a crime you did not commit.

&gt;I've been hearing that even legal citizens are being detained with no due process.

That is not happening.  Everybody is getting due process.  Those claiming otherwise are really just complaining that deportation has a different process than a criminal prosecution.  When you are prosecuted for a crime, you go before an Article III judge have have a bunch of due process rights, such as a right to a jury trial.  

Deportation, on the other hand, is 100% internal to the executive branch.  And that has always been the case.   Immigration judges are not Article III judges.  They are DOJ employees appointed by the AG.  They used to be called "special inquiry officers."  If you are detained, you can bring your dispute to an Article III judge by filing a Habeas petition.

CalLaw2023

I haven't heard anything like that however it raise some questions about some things, ICE agents does not need a warrant to detain someone who they believe is an illegal immigrant if in public so nothing is really stopping them from believing a US citizen is a illegal immigrant and arresting them, honestly they have to much power and more than likely they do detain actual us citizens all because they believed they were an illegal immigrant basically if they believe you're an illegal immigrant then they have probal cause to detain and arrest you without the local police being able to assist you in any way.

DirectSense9768

ICE is the most lawless organization in this country, and has been since its inception; common criminals are subject to laws, but ICE is allowed to act with impunity, cruelty and arbitrariness without any accountability. The fact that there has been no "shootouts" involving ICE or any of the people they have been  detaining actually calls into question if those they are detaining are actual "criminals" or working people selected because they are easy prey for them.

CandidateEmergency63

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yadaraf11

I have family (My father, his mother, and 13 brothers and sisters) that literally came here illegally from Mexico. If it was really as much an issue as they're saying, I'm pretty sure I'd have heard something. 🤷 Oh they came here from Zacatecas BTW which is basically the center of a massive war between Cartels. They came here because they wanted to escape violent criminals that deal in all sorts of things including sex trafficking. I guarantee you 95%of missing children are probably taken by the Cartels to either work in their Drug fields, or sold to the sex industry. At least that's the impression I get from my aunts who were fearful of me getting kidnapped because I have Blue eyes.

mrgrimm916

"Legal" also means that one can be a legal immigrant to this country, and if they overstay their visa, don't meet the requirements, get into legal troubles, etc.. they will then be deported back from wherever they came and rightfully so. 
If you choose to come to America, you must obey her laws. When I chose to move abroad, I had to learn their language/customs/culture and adapt to it. They are no better than anyone else to do the same.

Fahim-ibn-Dawud

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/tracking-us-citizens-children-detained-deported-ice-trump-updates.html

PseudoPellucid

Of course not it's fake news that's why you can't find any proof of it. Don't you believe if somebody was deported illegally, you would hear from them. Their families would be making a huge ordeal. It's not real don't believe everything you see in fact, don't believe anything you see

Both_Attention4806

It's dizzying, seeing elon the immigrate, in THAT Whitehouse, cutting programs that help real Americans. What happened to this nation? 



It all started way back when 
The original maga


https://youtube.com/shorts/g7L6QOk5tf4?si=cpsGYGtoOb5K2CAl


Same arguments, different time.

cashredd

JHowdy93

3 people in my county. Born in America. Detained. 2 are unable to be located. The other one, her lawyer told her to flee after ICE sent her a letter. So, she closed her business this last Saturday and is prepping to leave the US. She was born in Mississippi

Publichealthnerd1984

Because it's not happening. At best, they occasionally detain US citizens. Not saying I'm a fan at all, but the media lies about a great many things. Remember how *every single mainstream American media outlet* hyped up the War in Iraq early on? Pepperidge Farm remembers--and so do I.

ANewMagic

If you cant even find a conspiracy article about it...its probably not true.

Legitimate_Task_2761

No one is answering the question .  The answer is no.  While there has been a lot of propaganda claiming citizens and legal non criminal residents have been detained and deported ,  when all the evidence came to light , it’s all been proven untrue.   There is leftist hysteria over criminal non citizens being held accountable and it’s not based on the reality of how illegal immigration affects communities.  I’m in the construction industry in California and I’m Latino.   It’s a huge financial and criminal burden. It’s enabled a domino effect of criminal behavior.  I’m not sure why the left has fallen in love with criminals and turned their back on their citizen poor or the debts that must be paid.  It’s serious here.

Zestyclose-Proof-201

That’s the thing about sending people away without due process. If there’s no due process there’s no opportunity to prove whether or not you are a citizen. If they pick you up, it’s game over.



It’s brown skin people today but soon it could be LGBTQ people of any color or even anyone suspected of being autistic.

ThisUsernameIsTook

"Attorneys in New York say dozens of their clients have been detained and deported after reporting for seemingly routine check-ins related to their immigration cases since Trump’s electoral victory in November. Two of them, a mother and her young daughter, didn’t even know they had lost their appeal to stay in the US when they arrived for their appointment. They were deported the next day."

So... the attorneys failed to tell their clients they'd lost their appeal.  Awesome. Unfortunately A) yes they're removable, absent a stay being in place, but positively, b) they've likely got a nice ineffective assistance of counsel claim they can/ should file, assuming the appeal wasn't denied the same day or something like that.  Also, c) being removed does not prevent pursuing a petition for review in Circuit Court (assuming the above means they've lost before the BIA; they could / should, though, file a motion to reopen with the BIA either way in order to exhaust their available remedies on the IAC question).

BaltAmour

This has always been a possibility. That’s why people just don’t show up to court

Confident-One-9973

I'm going to voice my worst fear here. How do you know they are being "deported"? Did anyone follow up with someone deported and see how they are doing? Where are they being deported to? What are they doing in Guantanamo? I'm worried. I'm not an immigrant and I don't know any immigrants so I'm out of the loop.

LousyShmo

Does anyone really believe that ANY applications for asylum will be granted? I doubt they'll approve a single one. At this point, if I had an application for asylum in the system, I'd just assume it was going to be denied, and start planning to leave. 

It's not right, but I'd rather leave under my own terms than theirs, especially if I had kids. Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller was the architecht of the Family Separation plan in the first term. He loves to inflict cruelty, its his thing. If I had kids, I'd be worried that once in his system, they will find a chance to inflict cruel pain. To this day, there are nearly 1000 kids who havent been reunited with their families, and probably never will be, despite four years of effort by the Biden administration. I wouldn't want my kids to end up in that system.

Beautiful-Plastic-83

I’m pretty sure majority of these people have removal orders

Flacko2092

The attorneys aren't to blame..the system in place isn't to blame.  If people come across the border and work the processes as several of my friends have done, then guess what, you don't get deported   

My friends processes took years with multiple court appearances but they did what they were told and they are still here, but now as citizens.

daddyatoibnc

After years of waiting,  my uncles wife got a call... but she is scared/nervous that this will happen to her.

I told people this was going to happen. They need numbers, and they wont care if the illegal has a criminal record or a hard working individual. Makes no difference, its a number and they need to keep them up. Just wait until they start to struggle, they will go full on gestapo. This is just the beginning.

cdancidhe

Finding someone who committed a serious crime is takes more time and effort since they're intentionally avoiding the police and lying low. Grabbing people just going about their lives is easier to meet their quotas. This was always going to happen

FriendlyLawnmower

I’m am a permanent resident and lost my permanent resident card because my ex threw it away. I applied for a replacement 1 year and 6 months ago. The website stopped telling me how long it would take about 4 months ago. I want to travel to see my grandmother &amp; I was told I can travel with the receipt that i applied for new one &amp;  my old card. I do have a couple arrests involving marijuana from when I was younger and I’m really worried now. I’m worried I won’t get let back in the country if I leave. This is scary

Useful_Violinist_865

It's about damn time. My sister who was raised in America with all of her three sisters is not allowed to come here and she was raised here from the age of three until age 21. Granted, she lives in a good country, Iceland but the immigration services will not let her come back here because she didn't update her green card in time. All of her family lives here in the usa. The immigration needs to be completely dismantled everyone needs to be fired and they need to start from scratch. Including all of the ridiculous forms that need to be filled out. Everything should be simplified and easy for anybody to comprehend and do.

Efficient-Waltz6070

This is not new. We were doing this under Biden.

biggousdickous24

"why can't they just do it the right way"
"ok I'm doing it he right way"
"no"

Able-Candle-2125

You came here illegally. You need to go. There is a line back there and people have been waiting for years. You cannot just jump the line and then say - oh well, I am a hard working person and not a criminal. You still came here illegally. Follow the process of the land and come back the proper way. 
Asylum should also be in the next county. You cannot cross 5 countries and then claim asylum in the USA. This is all fucked up.

Slow_Rip_9594

If you lose your case you get deported, why is that so hard to understand.

MrPryce2

I just want to know (from conservatives) how are immigrants legal or illegal effecting you?

PrudentJuggernaut498

Crazy how enforcing the immigration law leads to people being forced to follow immigration law.

Critical-Patient-235

If you entered the US illegally then you have to be deported.

This just in: dems upset that the president did what he was voted to do! Stay tuned for tomorrow's news: more of the stuff he was voted to do! Real shocking

MrScary420

You forgot to add the part of them being here illegally.

lartinos

As a proud immigrant to the US I can tell that this administration is making complete mockery of this country, the rule of law and our international reputation. 

Unbelievable damage to the people and the future of this country and even to our safety.

Accomplished-One5703

when you are ordered OUT of the country in ANY country on earth, you are expected to leave. Why is this such a bad thing for the USA?

Cautious-Roof2881

Biden swung the door open way too wide and ruined it for all the asylum seekers who truly need it.

Hit those numbers, boys. Coffee is for closers.

AmicusLibertus

When they gonna start sending back all the white people? They're immigrants too

Puertorican-HiKeR

-D4rkSt4r-

Baku09

In my own neighborhood, 100 immigrants with green cards. Where arrested and deported

Tishtoss

They will always go for the soft targets. Its like cops in the hood. They avoid high crime areas and mess with everyday people speeding 2mph over the speed limit or a random license plate issue. They don't want to patrol the gang infested areas because they'd rather get easy numbers with your everyday Joe. You think ICE will risk their life going after actual threats with warrants? No they pick on the 4'9 lady who cleans houses and is trying to get her 3 kids to study and go to college or some kind of trade so they don't have to work low paying work she does. That's the honest hardworking people Reagan and Bush Sr supported that these MAGA nuts have forgotten their so called "heroes" would talk about. They always spoke well of immigrants and pushed for ways to lead to citizenship. I don't like either of them as they supported CIA installed dictators in Latin America and fucked up our economy but when the devil is right he is right......no pun intended.

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That actually happened in my neighborhood.  Ice detains people all the time though I think they're just getting more attention because of Trump. 

All ice raids are violent. Detaining someone against their will requires violence

Laniekea

There was one here in Minneapolis today. Horrible air quality and heavy rain limited the amount of protesting but to your point: It is an inevitability. Like the Boston massacre. People get agitated , it turns to violence by one side or the other, the authorities open fire, and the uproar and riots commence

mnshitlaw

No, but based on things online I am expecting the left to get violent over ICE raids. Today Virginia subs were subjected to [propaganda equating ICE to the Nazi Gestapo](https://old.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1l2cx6g/come_yell_at_wannabe_fascists_at_dulles_expo/), with the imagery, and the symbolism, and demanded people show up to protest at a recruiting event. If you read between the lines they're hoping someone reacts poorly and goes to shoot it up. I'm not worried about ICE at all. They're enforcing the law. I am very worried about the left and the narratives they keep using to justify their outrage and actions. I think we're heading in a bad direction.

Edit: This was tiring. None of you better ever accuse the right of being conspiracy folks after all this noise lol.

GreatSoulLord

Suppose it could. All it takes is a couple brain dead idiots to think they’re marvel heroes sent to thwart law enforcement to rescue illegal immigrants.

sloopSD

Enforcement of immigration law result in violence? 

What are they protesting for? Illegal immigration? Lol

Vindictives9688

It’s unlikely. The protests may escalate and people will get their feelings hurt when they get arrested for interfering. I would be very surprised by any real violence.

bones_bones1

If people want to use violence to try and prevent ice from working, that's their prerogative, and I hope ice uses the necessary force to deal with them.

WinDoeLickr

No 

The only violence will be if protesters or rioters interfere with their duties and they are forced to control the situation. Otherwise there will be no violence

marketMAWNster

Given the online rhetoric common the left, it's rather likely some of them (citizens) will initiate violence.

&gt; What do you all think? How do you predict this will all unfold?

There will be violence with high probability, and citizens will face consequences for assaulting Federal agents. The media will gush over it, it'll be a focal point of future elections, and Democrats will continue losing as a result of it.

noluckatall

The “woke” can’t handle jail. They will limp away soon just like the Tesla fire bombings. This is only theater for them and serves no purpose so they will weaken very soon. They are no match for highly motivated, trained agents.

SnooFloofs1778

As people on the left become more violent I think ICE will have no choice but to respond.

Layer7Admin

Yes. Not because of ICE or their actions but because of how deranged the left has become. They all literally think America is the 4th Reich, clowns 🤡

Grumblepugs2000

I think we probably are getting closer to the point where there will be violence.  Protesters by and large aren't trying to persuade people or change anyone's minds, they're doing it as an outlet for their frustration and anger.  Eventually after weeks of being told that ICE agents are "gestapo" or "Nazis" and that they're "kidnapping" people, someone's going to act on that belief.

thorleywinston

A person is removable if they lack a valid authorization to remain in the United States. There is no "violent crime," requirement before someone can be deported.

I have no idea what an ICE agent might do in that circumstance ("Hi, I crossed the border ten year ago and have since led a blameless life,") but the person making the admission is removeable (assuming no other facts exist, like seeking asylum).

As far as ICE raids: in general, if an area is open to members of the public, it's open to ICE agents.

If someone crossed the border 10 years ago and has no documentation allowing them to enter into or remain in the United States lawfully, that person would be subject to removal.  There is no requirement that the person be guilty anything else.

Because being "undocumented" is also known as being an illegal alien - which is illegal, and subjects such persons to arrest and deportation.

dbettslightreprise

They aren’t just going after undocumented people as shown already apparently 

They are just rounding people up without proper documents. 

Take that as what you will.

ZeePirate

I heard a Homan interview where he explained that they are focusing on violent criminals and would love to pick them up from the jail/prison since it is easier and safer (for everyone). However since the sanctuary states and cities won't comply, ICE is going into the communities looking for the violent criminals and if they come across any other deportable persons in the process they will deport them as well.

Ponklemoose

ICE arrested over 2,200 undocumented immigrants in a single day, marking the highest number ever. This operation reflects pressure from the Trump administration to increase daily arrests.

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