Public opinion surrounding the Myanmar political turmoil reflects significant international solidarity for the people against the oppressive military junta. Commenters express deep concern, frustration, and condemnation of the junta's ongoing violence and human rights violations. There are calls for peace, democracy, and international intervention, highlighting admiration for the Myanmar people's resilience. However, comments also indicate skepticism towards the effectiveness of regional and global responses, as well as concern over ethnic tensions within Myanmar.

Myanmar Military Junta

Myanmar Citizens

International Community

“People need to know what’s happening here.”

Prior-Wealth1049

The sad reality of history is every time there is a genocide we forget to acknowledge that

There is a cover/euphemism/excuse
There is passive collaboration
There is denial
There is victim blaming

This applies to all genocides though post genocide we look back at it and apply cartoonish evil caricatures and make victims out to be saints as it assuages our guilt as to what we maybe enabling today.

Sea_Entrepreneur6204

I have a singular problem with the insistence that Ghorman must be read as solely about the present, or modern day, genocides. 

Ghorman is about Gaza, and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, but it’s also about the: Holodomor, Armenian genocide, genocides of Indigenous peoples, Holocaust, Cambodian genocide, Bosnian genocide, Rohingya genocide, and the Rwandan genocide. 

It’s about also the destruction of Carthage, the Asiatic Vespers, the genocide of the Gaulish Tencteri and Usipetes, it’s definitely about the Bar Kokhba revolt (especially the part that is spurned by the occupation, an insurgency the empire could rely on).

It’s about the mass slaughter of the Jie and the other Wu Hu, the Albigensian Crusade, and the many genocides conducted by the Mongol Horde and the Spanish Conquistadors.

To quote Tony Gilroy,

&gt; People legitimately fail to recognize how puny their individualism is. The narcissistic belief that you live in some unique time — it’s shocking. We all do it. I do it. That is not the pattern of history.

And at a certain point I take offense with the demand that we view Ghorman to be about a present crisis, because I fear we are missing a much more disturbing picture. 

Ghorman is about a basic human action. One that has haunted our species. One that everyone in this conversation is very capable of doing.

When you humanize your monsters, you stop searching for them in bedroom closets, and start seeing them in the bathroom mirrors. 

My singular problem is that using Ghorman as a condemnation of a specific current event makes it easier to ignore a condemnation of all of human history and behavior. 

That genocide is not done by demonic forces, but by very human creatures. Often too bothered by their own needs to sympathize or empathize with others. That oppression requires the oppressors to dehumanize themselves first, so that they may dehumanize others. 

And there comes the crux, in not saying that OP does this, but too many are too quick to dehumanize the people who conduct genocide, to wash their hands of it, and to make this part of the “other”. 

The only safeguard against genocide is to humanize others and the self. 

Ghorman isn’t about what happens “there”. It’s about what happens here. Spend some time in the mirror, and you’ll start to see a Dedra or Partagaz somewhere in there.

AniTaneen

Let me quote another SciFi show on the topic of "*killing for a better tomorrow*";

*"For every radical we killed, we made ten more."*

  
Incidentally, this is the mistake the empire made in Andor. And we understood it because deep within, we all know that we've fallen for that fallacy time and time again as a species.

ChronicBuzz187

I’m going to start this comment with this: I understand why someone in Palestine would join hamas, and why they would attack Israel. I’m going to mostly talk about the issue from a military perspective, as I think that it is a necessary aspect to understand, as it explains why peace is so challenging.

My main point is that it is impossible for either side to win a war (barring absolute extreme cases) and thus violence does not further the cause of either side. Currently, hamas will eventually drive Israel out of the Gaza Strip. Why? It is fundamentally an insurgent movement, which is practically impossible to defeat conventionally, as unlike a conventional army, which has a command structure, supply lines, and a specific center of gravity that give it the capacity to act, all of which can be destroyed, an insurgency has one thing: lives. And the with every defeat more lives join the cause. As such there are basically only three ways to deal with an insurgency: stomach the costs and rising public unrest indefinitely (which is impossible), leave, or kill/expel the entire population (which I do not believe Israel would do, not for any moral reason, but because they fear the internal unrest associated with it).

At the same time, it is impossible for Hamas to raise the Palestinian flag over tel aviv. There is no major rebellion inside Israel, not even the hints of one. Hamas is an insurgency external to the state of israel and as such they would have to take territory by force, against a hostile populace. To take territory, you need a conventional force. One with a command structure, an industrial base to support it, and supplies to fight an extended campaign. You need a type of force that Hamas does not have, and one that Israel is well positioned to defeat. And if we add the nuclear aspect, I do not believe in Israel having the decency to not use nuclear weapons if it felt seriously threatened, which is worse for Palestine than almost any other outcome.

For this reason, while I understand the motivation I do not believe that offensive action on Hamas’s part into Israel is productive in terms of peace, as all it does is provides an excuse for retaliation. For this reason, the only plausible solution is two-state, as both one state “solutions” end in the total genocide of the Palestinian people, by either conventional or nuclear means. The solution to violence is sometimes violence (see the Russo-Ukraine war for an example of a situation where the only moral solution comes through violence), but not here, as the issue is we have a revenge killing for a revenge killing for a series of revenge killings that go back to 1948. And thus the cycle of violence perpetuates itself.

I do not know what the solution is. I’m not some omniscient individual. I’m just someone on the internet. But this is what I believe to be true. Feel free to downvote if it offends you, or disagree with me. But let me say this: I do not support Israel.

StipaCaproniEnjoyer

I wish I could upvote this post twice. Don't worry about the pro-whoevers that flood your inbox, they couldn't even comprehend a thought out post.

Radiant-Algae9276

Hello Friend I just wanted to share my thoughts. I share your feelings and feel your frustration in the face of this genocide. 

I’ve done all I can, I’ve written to my representatives, I’ve gone to protests for two years, I’ve posted more times I can count, I’ve shared stories to my social media, I’ve written again to my representative, I’ve posted more to social media. I follow the news hourly, I have patience for those ignorant, I’ve tried to use Andor to help people understand. I’ve tried and tried and tried. 

I feel disgusted that I am typing this paragraph lambasting about how upset and tired I feel about this and I have not suffered personally from this genocide. It feels pathetic. 

How many more children must starve to death? how many more men, women and children should have their family line wiped out by Israeli bombs? How many doctors, journalists, humanitarian workers, nurses, ambulance drivers, fire fighters, engineers, teachers, poets, fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, how many more people need to be slaughtered before we stop two siding this atrocious conflict? 

Must we make sure our posts and discussions always centres all conflicts, all massacres, all wars, all genocides in equal measures to be taken serious? Must we denounce every act of disobedience? Every violent act? 

It’s tiring. I’m tired, you’re tired. 

Never stop talking about this genocide. 

Did Mon Mothma speech loose credibility because she didn’t centre Ferrix, Aldani, Onderon, kashyyyk, or the Jedi in context of Ghorman? 
Should have Cassian Andor stopped her outside and degrade her for not mentioning every single atrocity carried out by the Republic, the Separatists or the Empire? 

Andor is such a beautifully made show. To watch Andor, to understand Andor is to understand history. Never have historical processes of resistance been so eloquently put in a piece of western media, let alone Star Wars. 

The show seems almost tailored made to wake up disinterested people. It’s such a shame the show seems to be have been wasted on a lot of people.

yshtolaenjoyer5

Very eloquently argued and written, it echoes my thoughts 100%. I just finished watching Andor with my 12 year old son.. Even he immediately noticed the parallels between what is happening in the US, Ukraine and Israel, and what happened to the Ghormans, the Empire and the Rebellion. Anyone who argues against this is, is willfully complicit in normalizing genocide and hate.

Karanduar

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This only legitimizes my post. You're complaining that I'm talking about anti-war and anti-fascism on a show that's literally dedicated to those ideals? (To be fair, compared to threats like 'kys' or 'we're watching you,' this DM was preeetty mild.)

RealBugginsYT

Mods, could you please consider giving us the option to apply a 'Real World Politics' flair as opposed to us having to wait for you to do it for us? You mentioned it was available, but I can’t seem to find it anywhere. People are understandably frustrated that they can’t filter it out. I have no intention of forcing my political commentary onto anyone unintentionally. And while it’s easy enough to scroll past, a efficient filtering system would still be prudent. Otherwise, keep up your excellent work in preserving the sanity of this subreddit!

DaemonBlackfyre_21

sgt_schultz_the_ewok

&gt;Hamas for some of it  
 who let October 7th happen

I have no idea why people like you insist on tainting a virtuous cause with conspiracy theory nonsense. They did all of it and they are responsible for murdering all those people.

Accepting that does not weaken condemnation of genocide.

[deleted]

Wonderful post and analysis. I think you're right on.

plumberdan2

Suffering a great ill (holocaust) does not give you the right to visit the same ill on another (Gaza genocide)

Artanis_Creed

Woke up to images like this today and then dozens of Zionists underneath celebrating in the comments. Literally celebrating an innocent little girl burning alive.

https://preview.redd.it/9cqeo9v9y33f1.jpeg?width=1320&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=28e77fe361d496b713e7e683b0b611d2f8cc4e17

New_7688

Andor shows what Fascism does now yesterday and tomorrow thats it



how long will it need till some Ghorman Plaza happens in Trumps Fascist america?



(oh boy i triggered some people again)

Mountain_System3066

Your admission that the goal of this post is to “piss off the genocide deniers together” proves the malice and moral vacuousness of turning a Reddit SW board into a front in the Israel/Palestine War. It divides the Board, needlessly alienates fans, and also diminishes the sanctity of your own cause. You make shitposts on r/Andor and convince yourself that you’re a freedom fighter. How righteous you must feel!

Ok-Reward-7731

chapterthrive

It’s weird how people immediately try to delegitimize this type of post by saying, “It shouldn’t only be compared to the Palestinian genocide.” Nobody is saying it shouldn’t be compared to other genocides, but the Palestinian genocide is happening *right now* and is actively supported by the U.S. government. Of course, we need to address it.  

This show is a direct parallel to what’s happening in Gaza. If people can’t see that after watching Andor, they’re either ignorant or just plain bad. The Israeli occupation of Gaza is about resources, just like Ghorman. It’s about the expansion of Israeli settlers, a deliberate part of Israel’s politics for decades. It’s about Netanyahu prolonging this war to avoid corruption investigations and influence traffic, clinging to power by rallying support from pro-colonial factions, just like ISB agents act out of personal ambition. It’s about Hamas being indirectly created by Israel and the U.S. to delegitimize Fatah, a secular Palestinian liberation movement—just like the Empire fostered rebellion on Ghorman to justify its atrocities.  

The dominant reaction here: “Dude, you’re boring. We don’t give a shit about people dying, we just like Star Wars”, is not only worrying but tragically ironic. This is a sub about Andor, a show literally about resisting imperialism and the consequences of ignoring it. If you don’t fight back, it comes for us all.  

I’m Brazilian, and I know there are many fellow South Americans here too. Brazil’s dictatorship had direct U.S. backing—just like Chile’s, Uruguay’s, and Argentina’s military regimes in the late 20th century.  

Who do you think the Empire is? George Lucas explicitly said the Rebellion was inspired by the Vietnam during the Vietnam War. And who the fuck were the Viet Cong fighting against?  

People in this comment section are insane

OneWonder3632

“To be passive is to collaborate” - no, some of us are just struggling to get by, trying to protect our own mental health and survive.

igby1

OP, just here to tell you that the people who got the show agree with your post.

It seems the settler colonialists took wind of what you rightfully pointed out, and are trying to swarm their genocidal hatred and imperial propaganda to yet another largely antifascist reddit to defend their self-unaware garbage stance.

The Ghorman massacre is absolutely parallel to all forms of genocide in history and the present, and Palestine is being ethnically cleansed by violent and bloodthirsty zi\*nists RIGHT NOW as we speak.

If the mods ban this comment, I guess they are on the wrong side of history as well. So is every commenter on here saying there are both sides to this "story" or that this is "complex" as if that justifies their positions.

Don't lose hope after seeing the calculative downvotes and manufactured bs by the bigots and the ambivalent. Most don't even speak out (publically or online) or bother to care.

Rebellions are built on hope. Free Palestine, the planet is watching.

MutualBreadrunner

Hot take: Ghorman was NOT a genocide. Just a massacre. 

When Mon speaks 24 hrs later, all she could know is what the imperials claimed, which was that a protest escalated into shooting. Even if she suspected that the imperials started it, that’s still not genocide, but a massacre. 

Are we supposed to believe that the imperials spent the next 24 hrs (at least) marching through the city and systematically murdering? Maybe, but the show displays News reports from Ghorman that do not suggest there is ongoing bloodshed. 

I actually think mon really jumped the shark here. There was not evidence (nor do we know now?) that the empire was going to murder all the ghors.

Apprehensive-Troll

Honestly the fact that more people aren’t openly condemning Israel is obscene. I’m half hoping for the downfall of my own government because our leaders refuse to condemn the statements and actions taken by Israel. 

This is the country who had a high ranking official say, *and I quote*, “every baby in Gaza is an enemy”. To anyone who can stand there and support the statement that every baby is an enemy simply because of their ethnicity?

I can tell you exactly what side you be on in Germany in the 1940s. And that’s not anti-semitism, that’s a damn fact. If you find yourself justifying the extermination of an entire ethnic group of people, you’re no better than the nazis of the third reich.

JPastori

ShallowDramatic

OP, why not just post in a politics subreddit or make your own subreddit? It seems pretty counterproductive to just make the same ranting posts over and over again, only for them to be deleted by moderators.

Totally-Real-Human

I stand totally with you. Kudos for speaking out despite everything. Your analysis are grounded. Thanks.

wakamurasaki_

Replace Ghorman with Gaza, and Mon Mothma‘s speech would fit just as well in US Congress, the German Bundestag or the UK House of Commons. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

DemSoc98

I’m a proud Zionist myself.  I can’t speak for all of them but I think the reason for your angry DMs and messages is your demonization of Israelis and oversimplification to equate the current war to a tv show about space wizards.  Life is often more complicated than what’s portrayed on a Disney+ show.

Over the last year or so I’ve personally fell out of favor with the war, and while there is a lot wrong with the current government, I think it’s a gross over exaggeration to portray Israelis as some cape twirling ISB bad guys.  And Zionism itself is nothing more than the belief that Jews—who comprise less than 1% of the world population—deserve self determination alongside other ethnicities who achieved their own nations.

Personally I think both sides have made terrible mistakes and endured horrible tragedies.

ZombieIanCurtis

Maybe some people are upset because you openly call for the [ethnic cleansing](https://www.reddit.com/r/andor/s/F8hm2nV7zy) of all Jewish people from Israel? Hard to take you seriously when your empathy is so selective.

apzh

mmmbient

The show does seem to at least understand &amp; define what "genocide" is.

Now let's spread that to campus life with some perspective &amp; clarification.

EvilQuadinaros

OP looking for more people to huff his farts.

  
Last post had a lot of fawning Redditors, I'm sure OP's chasing that high today

leftofthebellcurve

GeassYall

For you own sanity, assume anyone DMing you to call you out is a bot. They're easy to make and the goal is to dispirit voices. They're going to be ubiquitous so you need to treat them as background noise.

a_dnd_guy

Literally the same post every day for a couple weeks now in this sub. Fight on, friend. 

Unlike the low effort “does anyone else notice K2-SO’s eyes” posts, these posts are extremely divisive and rancorous and generate a lot of antipathy and rather little attempt at finding common ground or empathy for an extremely hard situation. 

I would have found a post by OP about the recent murders of young Jews in DC (an attempted massacre but the murderer’s gun jammed) by someone yelling “Free Palestine” to be at least novel. 

Because this is a bizarre daily post that increasingly center’s OP’s life at home I’m going to mute r/Andor going forward. Cheers all. 

Free Palestine.

Fly_Casual_16

Go to a sub oriented towards world history and politics, then post about Andor.

aikisean

It’s pretty simple to me, if you root for the rebels you’re rooting for the Palestinian people. And if you’re not rooting for the Palestinian people it’s because of some other prejudice you have. So do some introspection and figure out why you think these people deserve to die for simply existing.

Aggravating_End_7603

Free Palestine, Sudan, and Congo! I am glad OP made this post, because the Palestinian genocide was all I could think about throughout the whole of the Gorman arc. I could not forgive myself if I stayed silent. The utter refusal of most of the western world to call a genocide a genocide is exactly what I would call “The Death of Truth”

junepocalypse

Expert-Solid-3914

If you stayed home or otherwise didn’t vote for Kamala, you’re just as much worthy of blame for what’s happening in Gaza as Israel is. Let’s not forget her opponent outright said he would “help Israel finish the job.”  

Yet these dumbass liberal arts college students wanted to pick a stupid ass hill to die on and not vote for the candidate who only ever talked about finding a ceasefire.

weesIo

Hot take: if the Ghormans are going to be all French Resistance, we need to see THEIR empire built on exploitation.

Confident_Example_73

What type of threats did you get? 

Fair play to you for posting it again 👍🏻

Responsible-Hold-869

I dno, felt like in Andor the Rebels or Luthen mainly bombed Empire soldiers not innocent tourists but what do i know, i am just an ignorant european

Vismajor92

Couple of tips:

Don’t back Hamas.

Don’t use the word Zionists because at least half the people out of your loop will think you’re a deranged conspiracy theorist, stick to simpler terms like “The Israeli Government/Military”.

Don’t write a long self righteous essay, you want to convince people not make them sigh as they nurse their new headache.

Mr_Rinn

100% agree. Thinking the writers of this show didn't mean it to inspire discussions on contemporary injustice, imperialism and fascism is wishful thinking. Free Palestine. This is happening on our watch.

IsadoraUmbra

Are you being a freedom fighter on an andor subreddit? 🤡

Meiie

I love these posts. 
Hamas made an incursion into Israel territory (again) as a proxy of Iran. The Wall Street Journal just covered all of this. The soldiers are themselves Palestinian citizens and this was their government. All they need to do is surrender and Life in Gaza can move on. Instead, they hide almost the populace and then some keyboard warrior takes up their cause because that's their propaganda machine. It's a losing effort. The IMEC and Abraham Accords are moving forward. Comparisons to Andor are short sited and plays into the Iranian propaganda machine. You even see comments here telling the Jews to go back to Germany. 
It's a silly comparison.

darthpotamus

Keep fighting the good fight! Reminder that any fascist regime would use propaganda to paint the rebels they're facing as "child-rapist terrorists". What are your sources? How do you actually verify they're true? Would you blindly believe it if said rebels weren't arab? Maybe it's a stereotype that they popularized for over 20 years that you started to believe in cuz it's easy.

Mathies_

My thoughts too, it irks me people can watch this show and love its storytelling and message and can't draw the so very obvious parallels of our world. Though like the Imperials, you're dealing with people who are truly evil to the core

akmalznal

A few years from now everyone will say that they were against this. That they wanted military intervention to dismantle the apartheid regime of Israel, to end the genocide. All these Zionists yapping now (because of the astroturfing and institutional support) will pretend as if they were "pro peace" all along when the institutional support dies out.

Don't pay heed to them. Thank you OP, you're right and many agree with you despite what the downvotes say

blackcoulson

I agree. I cannot express in words how angry and disgusted I am with what's happening and with people that support and deny it. 🍉🇵🇸 ✊🏼

GloomOnTheGrey

Dear Zionists: there’s a whole world out there of anti-fascists waiting to disgust you

-principito

It's because your post is narrow minded in its comprehension. You clearly hate Zionists and that's all you see. Every point you make it bring it back to Zionists.

You're ignoring centuries of plight and genocide throughout history by saying that this is just a modern issue.

terracottatank

Posts like this are riddled with revisionist history and one-sided propaganda, seeking to establish their chosen side as the virtuous, righteous one and to remove all nuance from the discussion.

If you want an echo chamber to ignore whole swaths of history so that you can cast Hamas and Palestinians in a righteous light, go elsewhere.  Nothing in Andor approaches the same galaxy as being analogous to Palestine and Gaza.

The Ghormans didn’t massacre and murder Imperial citizens for 16 years while opposing legal immigration to their country.  There is no Ghorman equivalent to the Nebi Musa Riots, the Hebron Massacre, the Tiberias Massacre, the sending of militants to train with the Nazis.  There is no Ghorman equivalent to refusing a two-state solution, to the Fajja Bus Attacks, to the Nahariya Attack, to the Sigonello Crisis, to Hamas’ repeated use of suicide bombings in the 90s with the open and express goal of derailing the Oslo Accords.  There is no Ghorman equivalent to the Munich Massacre, to the multitude of Palestinian attacks *on civilians explicitly* leading up to the Second Intifada and throughout the latter half of the 20th Century.

More importantly: there is no Ghorman equivalent to the years Hamas leadership spent lulling Israel into thinking they wanted economic prosperity while secretly training for 10/7 with the IRGC.

Established historical fact does not back you, and Andor cannot map to this conflict.  Go elsewhere to peddle your propaganda.

Nemik-2SO

What this, and all Reddit posts, can’t catch the nuance of is what exactly Israel’s options are with Gaza as long as Hamas is in power.

1. Full Gazan statehood. Best case scenario, Gaza becomes Lebanon 2.0, with Iranian Hezbollah 2.0 proxies raining missiles into Israel. Worst case scenario, Gazan (Iranian funded) tanks roll to Jerusalem. No good.

2. One state solution. Hamas launched intifada 2.0, Israel busses and cafes blow up. Entire society descends into civil war, basically immediately. No good. 

3. Israel Direct Military Occupation.  Humanitarian crisis. Hamas picks off Israeli soldiers. Hamas unable to launch meaningful attacks against Israel itself. 

4. Israeli looser occupation, ala West Bank. Poverty, humanitarian crisis, and Hamas continually picking off Israeli soldiers. Hamas capabilities reduced, likely unable to inflict meaningful harm in Israel itself. 

5. Unconditional Cease fire. Humanitarian crisis ends. Hamas stays in power. Hamas rebuilds military, and attacks Israel again in 5 years. (As they literally promised to do). Gaza is bombed to rubble again. The entire war is for nothing. Israel suffers another thousand civilian casualties. No good. 

6. End of settler-colonialism in its entirety. All Israelis pack up and move to …. Somewhere? Doesn’t seem that the world is too forgiving to refugees at the moment. Or at any moment…. Jews go back to minority status in their new countries, foreigners vulnerable to oppression again.

So of these six options, which is Israel supposed to go with? Also, remember that the identity of Israel is to be a safe place for a Jewish people to live, after literally millennium of oppression. Security is not optional for the Jews of Israel.

VastExamination2517

BrownBannister

&gt; To be neutral, to be passive in a situation is to collaborate with whatever is going on

Why are you collaborating with the genocide of Uyghurs? Yemenis? Rohingya? Atheists? Christians? Jews? Etc. etc. etc. ? This isn't how anyone operates, even the philosopher who donates every spare dollar he earns is unable to equitably distribute among those needing. It's an impossible standard, that raises further questions about what one ought to do (none of which are realistic, many downright immoral).

Palestine doesn't function *at all* as a parallel to the rebels in Star Wars. They're much too bloodthirsty on their own for that. To them, freedom requires your submission, as they've shown a few times already.

Yes, it's wrong for Israel to genocide them, but besides that this is far from the clear-cut situation you're painting it as. Peace and reconciliation has been "attempted" for over 50 years, there's *obviously* no simple solution, and no "real" solution on the horizon.

Trrollmann

Oh the hell, calling members of Hamas journalist because they make pr IS an insult to every journalist and especially the ones Hamas killed in Gaza.
If you wanted to See there IS everything to See and doubt that a genocide IS Happening there. The calls for free palistine IS Just Sieg heil in another context. The Mufti during 1948 was a honory member of the ss. You swallow Propaganda and call IT truth. That or you know IT to be false. Never again IS pretty fucking hard especially If the Guys WHO try genocide use a Discount Micky Mouse called faruf to indoctrinate preschool children that dying while Killing jews IS the only good Life Goal.

Quasimodo1272

JediRhyno

i don’t understand people who say that it represents all genocides and not just current ones like yeah no shit but there are some going on RIGHT NOW which the show is telling us how to prevent and ppl still argue semantics lol. whole point of history is you learn from their mistakes. never stop talking about this. never stop fighting against injustice

ibizafool

Totally agree with this post and thank you

Valuable-Cat2036

Real_Boseph_Jiden

I was thinking yesterday, people only love rebellions over TV but call it terrorism in the real world, thank you for the great post and Free Palestine.
Nobody has a monopoly on suffering, nobody!

Ewael217

This comparison is in bad faith. If the Ghormans and the Empire had bad blood with genocide rhetoric from both sides sure. But just saying this without acknowledging the nuance between the insanely rich history of the conflict and chucking it up to Zionists=Empire Gaza=Ghor is the political thought process of a high schooler just finding out about the conflict. I’ve seen so many posts like this here, not surprised about it because I doubt that most Reddit users knowledge of the conflict goes before Oct 7. 

Not condoning genocide, just encouraging people to read about the topic. It’s literally one of the most historically recorded conflicts in history, and be aware there is a billion dollar industry pumping propaganda into the west on BOTH sides, so without a deep dive into the history it’s so easy to get caught in the X group=Evil genocidal group.

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They are constantly changing Goalposts as a Coping Mechanisms.

 Earlier They wanted to deny any Indian attack in their territory  but once they couldn't deny because of the images and videos going viral  they again changed the Goalpost to "India has killed innocent Civilians" and " they shot indian aircraft" 

 They seek victory in lies about shooting aircraft hoping this is enough for its citizens for the army for not escalating . Pakistan army doesn't need to win againt Indian army they just want their citizens to perceive that they have won regardless of reality .

Now after the recent images and videos of drone attacks Deep inside Rawalpindi and Lahore . They are again changing goal post as coping mechanisms hiding behind religion making it about religion about how other Islamic country will attack india .

WE will witness More Such Coping Mechanisms from Pakistanis .

Royal-Hunter3892

Sometimes they post this, sometimes they say Quran doesn't support killing of innocents. Quran might be fixed but the definition of words in Quran is determined by Pakistani Islamic Scholars according to their goals.

Spiritual_End6274

That subreddit is a joke and is crowded by brainwashed clowns. Ignore

InternationalNose980

I am tired of their every narration using the words Islam and Muslim just to gain sympathies. You are using your religion to sell propaganda. Entire Pakistan sub is filled with these posts. This shows how their country looks at geo politics only on the basis of religion bias and uses it as a tool to gain sympathizers.

Always_Duh

Those idiots think it is religious war, muslims are not the enemies here but pakistan and there's only 1 pakistan is in this world.

_An_Oni_Mouse_

yeahh I can see israel after bombing gaza to rubbles is is scared of the Ummah

Papa_newton

Man. I’ve been under rocket attack but like in war. Something about just chilling on your bike and watching the booms. Crazy. 

I hate this. 

Practical-Pickle-529

Probably a bit pedantic, but no one has declared war yet. So, at the minute it’s a squabble.

ImABrickwallAMA

JUST IN - Pakistan has "started the process of retaliation" against India's missile strikes — Samaa TV.

trippy_toads

Looks like things are getting too spicy for the pepper.

Jonas_Venture_Sr

Gosh darn that weak Biden leadership.

/s

RegattaJoe

From CNN;

“Our actions have been focused, measured and non-escalatory in nature. No Pakistani military facilities have been targeted. India has demonstrated considerable restraint in selection of targets and method of execution,” the statement added.

And

"Pakistan will respond to it at a time and place of its own choosing,” Pakistani military spokesperson Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry told Geo TV. “This heinous provocation will not go unanswered.”

CaptAwesome203

WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED IF TRUMP WAS PRESI.....WAIT.....

yamers

Why tf are they fighting? I mean- they’ve always detested each other. But why tf now?

Emotional-Change-722

PrometheanSwing

[This kid is almost grown up now...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8HhZlu5DrU)

LBC1109

As a Pakistani it's always sad to see the strings both our militaries and politicians pull to make an intense feeling that war is just on the doorstep while sacrificing a couple hundred just to earn more war money.  
May these conflicts end and we both live in harmony.  
Nobody wants their houses to be bombarded like that in either of our countries.

Pillstyr

Is this the start to the US China Cold War?

slowlongdeath

toxiccortex

Trump:  This is Bidens fault. C h I n a   better not get involved or the US will raise tariffs 280%.

Beautiful-Salary-555

It seems both countries' leaders have decided that a war is a good way to distract their people from their daily mismanagement and incompetence.

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suchet_supremacy

Do you know what the word 'official' means, dumbass?


There will be no war... unless Pakistan is really stupid and retaliates.

Anim8rFromOuterSpace

I'm guessing it'll be smaller conflicts.. not a full blown war.. unlike say.. Myanmar.

Dear_Natural6370

So a couple of missile strike makes a war but almost a million soldiers invading another country for years makes it a "special operation"? /S

evoc2911

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Narwhal_IceCold

What are they striking if not military targets?

Edit: disregard, I misunderstood. They didn't attack Pakistani military but targeted terrorist infrastructure

SeraphiM0352

good god, that sent chills down my spine 😨

AnthonyGSXR

In Myanmar, a retired general was assassinated amidst ongoing civil unrest triggered by the military coup. The situation reflects the intensified conflict between the junta and opposition groups.

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