Public opinion is deeply polarized regarding the Israeli military's actions in Gaza, highlighting a significant divide between those supporting Israel's right to defend itself and critics condemning the military tactics and the humanitarian impact. Concerns about media bias and ethical implications are prevalent, with emotional calls for peace and resolution amidst the ongoing conflict.

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Unlikely_Rabbit5679

I think that on October 6, Palestinians had the best lives they ever had.


Guess what? It wasn’t good enough for them.

Pleasant-Positive-16

The majority of the people of Gaza embrace the radical ideology of eliminating Israel in the most dehumanizing way possible, celebrating acts of rape, torture, and gloating over the slaughter of babies.

Bombs alone will not defeat this ideology.

  
There is no distinction between Hamas fighters and the rest of the Gazans - the concept of separation between warfighters and civilians is a Western construct, and is not applicable to the Muslim Arabs who are prosecuting this war in Gaza.



Rough numbers: 50k out of 2m is about 2.5%

That's not nearly enough death to force a society to re-architect itself.

Citing other major military conflicts, losses in the range of 10-20% of total population typically prompt surrender. The IDF's policy of going to extreme measures to limit collateral damage is actually working against bringing this conflict to conclusion. At current pace (2% attrition per year), expect this conflict to extend for another decade at least, before Hamas is devastated enough to accept surrender.

Do I support the war in Gaza? No.

Israel has failed in such a catastrophic fashion that it should be professionally embarrassed. They are trying to use the minimal amount of force to win, vs overwhelming their enemy. Arabs respond to strength, not kindness. A conclusion requires Israel to give up and admit victory for Hamas, or devastate the Arabs in a humiliating surrender.

Inevitable_Form_1250

Radicalisation is the reason for the bombing, not the other way round. If enough Muslims weren’t radicalised, these bombings wouldn’t even be taking place. 

But nice try flipping the narrative lol

Dobratri

Ex British Army Officer here.

The "attacking them will only make them stronger" logic isn't new, and is very counterproductive. 

Isis, Al Qaeda... The Nazis... all of these groups have been practically eradicated by attacking them. The world couldn't sit back and let them be, in case bombs somehow made them stronger, and Israel can't sit back and leave Hamas be either.

The good news for Pro Palestinians is that Israel is achieving some of the lowest civilian to combatant kill ratios anyone could have expected. Like we studied the 2014 Gazan war, NATO will study this war too for many years to come as an example of how to fight in such a complex and packed arena, with such a complex enemy that uses civilians as a shield on absolutely every level.

Yes, Hamas has to go.

People defending them, directly, or indirectly, are definitely in the wrong, by any moral standards.

Conscious_Spray_5331

Single_Perspective66

&gt;this is a recipe for radicalizations

This is the soft bigotry of low expectations.

If the only conclusion Palestinians draw from losing this war is 'more war', the problem is with them.

triplevented

&gt;because how I look at it this is a recipe for radicalizations now

I don't understand this point.

If a country bombed my city over and over and over again and killed my entire family, I ***still*** wouldn't want to strap bombs to myself, or someone else (sometimes even children), and blow up innocent people in the country that bombed my city and killed my family.

If your entire city was bombed and your entire family was killed, would you want to start killing children living in the other country who didn't bomb your city and didn't kill your family?

If not, then why do you assume Palestinians would?

Are Palestinians incapable of higher thought in your opinion? It's just inevitable that they'll want to become death crazed terrorists because their city was bombed and family killed?

Dear-Imagination9660

With some getting killed, some having to flee due to unsafe conditions... yeah.

pleasedontresist

I want Hamas to release the hostages. And I’m still perplexed why pro-pallies aren’t concerned about who the Gazan woman was in Shiri Bibas coffin sent back to Israel? How can we believe Hamas’ numbers of who’s dead when they throw away bodies and can’t even keep track of their dead?

not_jessa_blessa

Do you think Israel wants to destroy itself? If not, best to assume they’ve run cost benefit analyses at least a few times.  Contrary to pro-Palestinian beliefs, Jews are not psychotic murderous monsters who want to kill children even if it costs them everything.

Mixilix86

Palestinians want to get rid of Hamas. They know Hamas is responsible for their current conditions. There are currently mass protests against them as Hamas is losing the ability to suppress dissent due to their numbers being lower. 

There is very little evidence that Palestinian civilians are being further radicalized to a Hamas agenda, all the evidence points to them becoming more and more against Hamas as Hamas fails to succeed in their operations and continues to oppress Palestinians and get them killed. 

I don't support the war in Gaza and I want a ceasefire. Hamas has already agreed to give back all the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire, and I think that should be done. If they violate the ceasefire, then we continue. But if they don't, then we abide by it.

ill-independent

Honestly, while I have many, many criticisms of how Israel is conducting it's war in Gaza (and letting the settlers loose in the WB), I sincerely doubt that the population of Gaza, should Hamas successfully removed from power, will have any appetite for attacking Israel for at least a generation. They have been so thoroughly overpowered, that in spite of the propaganda they were raised on, they're now fully aware of the suicidal nature and sheer futility of fighting Israel. The fact that they despise Israel more than ever is definitely a barrier to any sort of reconciliation or negotiation, but it has less of an impact on Israel's security in the immediate future. Even if Hamas does maintain some sort of grip on Gaza, their ability to wage an offensive war in the next decade or so is basically gone. Pretty much all they're capable of now and in the near future is some guerilla tactics that require the IDF to be right on top of their tunnels, and ruthlessly oppressing their own citizens.

3kidsonetrenchcoat

Not bombing Hamas also radicalized the population because of the education and propoganda.


Bombing Hamas increases Israel security - they almost run out of emunition, trained  army and money to hurt Israel.


The main motivation for attacking Israel and killing civilians and babies was religion and not relatives that where killed.
They glorify death and Martyrhood , and because that I don't agree with you.
You think like someone from the west and not middle east.


What was before October 7 was radicalizations and the result was genocide on 7 October, now there is much more security and safety in Israel.

Few-Remove-9877

When you need to put the word Genuine in your title, it is obvious your question is anything but.

cl3537

Nuking Japan ended WW2…

As long as Israel can kill Hamas members fast we than Gaza can recruit new Hamas members, than eventually we did it, Hamas is eliminated.

un-silent-jew

The same palestinian authority that has spinelessly led Israeli settlements expand?

You win wars by killing enemies. Just the one way.

Top_Plant5102

&gt;...because how I look at it this is a recipe for radicalizations 

I think there were many people already radicalized even before the bombing started. 

The Americans have been targeting Houthis at Yemen. Are Houthis more radicalized now? I dont think so. Pretty sure, they hated America, Israel, Jews and all things Western  before. 

I dont think so. They can choose a different path and a different future.

BleuPrince

&gt;Do you think bombing gaza would eliminate hamas?


Bombs with GPS guidance are an efficient way to destroy the enemies position or assassinate a specific target, etc. Explosives are also efficient at destroying parts of the tunnel network, especially everything near the surface where the entrances into high population density areas are. Given that bombs are efficient, eliminating hamas does involve bombing Gaza. 


But the actual answer is that destroying hamas is for Israel a question of how efficiently is recon and intelligence able to work to locate the positions, weapon stockpiles, leadership, etc within hamas. It's also a question of when making funding, logistics, propaganda at schools, etc for hamas impossible. All those things are very achievable by Israel and some have already been achieved - hamas can't get funding and resupplies anymore and is purely running on its reserves within Gaza, which are already running low. 

&gt;because how I look at it this is a recipe for radicalizations now you cannot deny there was mistreatment on both ends the israelie and the palestian ends, 


The recipe for radicalization isn't just being mistreated - it's having hope that the violent solution is possible and the conviction that the peaceful solution is unacceptable. They were originally radicalized not really by the brutality of Israel - but by the perceived success of the second intifada and the Gaza disengagement plan. They see hamas make dua and do jihad and suddenly Israel cedes ground to them. Add on top the fact that hamas runs education in Gaza and that education in the west bank isn't much different and you get what we have now. If Israel didn't allow Islamic charities to run education for the Palestinians and didn't disengage from Gaza - radicalization wouldn't occur. 


So the answer is that Israel has to make the Palestinians learn again, the hard way, that violence is hopeless and negotiation and peace is fruitful. And Israel also has to institute their own education system for the Palestinians or at least a system that is answerable to them. 

GrothendieckPriest

a) I am totally unconcerned about the radicalisation of the Palestinians. The are already fully radicalised so no need to worry about that.


b) Like any organisation Hamas needs ressources and money to stay afloat and pay its people. Military pressure along with the blockade of the Philadelphi corridor deny Hamas these resources. For instance, because of the blockade Hamas is not able to resell humanitarian aid to the population of Gaza and has no money to pay its fighters. It is a slow process, but we are where we are and currently nobody has proposed a better alternative.

Reasonable-Notice439

This is the recipe for radicalism. 

Deny a people rights, and violently suppress their peaceful resistance, and you get violence instead.

Are we forgetting how other countries have resisted in the past? France literally beheaded thousands of people. Haitians literally killed the Europeans in their thousands. Slave revolters literally beheaded babies.

These were atrocious things that happened, but when you oppress a populace or treat them inhumanely, you are setting the pathway to violent armed resistance.

It_is_not_that_hard

&gt;this is a recipe for radicalizations

This is a bias of least expectation &amp; double standard. It's only expected of the Arabs to hate &amp; radicalized when someone's killed due to the fight on terror but when Jews/Israelis/"Zionists" are murdered, ran over, stabbed, fired on, stabbed, burned &amp; a dozen other ways, it is expected from them to remain calm &amp; logical and not respond with hate &amp; radicalization like their Arab neighbors.

Shachar2like

No, I think total siege with civilians evacuating to the West Bank until Hamas unconditionally surrenders or starves to the last man would eliminate them; but I'm told evacuating civilians from a war zone is ethnic cleansing even if you'd let them back after, so killing 50k people and counting is apparently the only response that has a chance of even temporarily suppressing the ongoing terrorism, so here we are.

Twofer-Cat

By this logic, Japan never would have surrendered in WW2.

Single_Jellyfish6094

Yeah this was my thinking against going to war in October 2023. I can’t think of a different solution that really punishes  Hamas and the civilians who came to burn down houses on Oct 7 though. Do you have any ideas of alternatives to war or are we officially in a type of zombie esque apocalypse where you can’t get rid of the enemy by shooting at them?

Medium_Dimension8646

No, I do not think you can bomb away ideology in the current era. I was alive for the Bush presidency.

People still do sieg heils, and someone put up swastikas on a public freeway in Sweden just yesterday. Maybe 200 years ago. But I will also readily admit that I have less war knowledge than even the average CSGO player, so I don't know if there's an alternative/what it would be. I would love a permanent ceasefire but that's a pipe dream.

Nearby-Complaint

Hamas operating schools that taught children to be soldiers was also a recipe for radicalization. It's also not radicalization if your government and the majority of the population supports that position. That makes it by definition supporting the majority, which is the opposite of radicalization.

At the very least Hamas has far fewer weapons, tunnels, and other infrastructure/equipment. The commanders and experts that took decades to train are mostly dead now too. If you watch the videos of October 8, most of the militants were useless chubby thugs. Those guys are not the big threat. It's the guys that Iran trained for decades that did all the planning that are the threat. They're all dead.

Also this question is based on false premise. Hamas' support has fallen dramatically: 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/21/people-gaza-future-hamas-poll

Over 40% to 21%.

Israel doesn't need to destroy Hamas, just weaken them enough that they lose an election and the PA can assert control again.

Taxibl

I don't know how wars end besides the side getting harmed worse getting sick of being harmed so much, and surrendering their objectives. I don't think Hamas can be eliminated by bombs, but I can't think what can be done about Hamas besides further harm and humiliation.

Alt_North

There are still people that dress up like Nazis and heil Hitler. Doesn't mean the Nazis weren't defeated. Hamas will be dismantled and removed from power. Hell, you can make the argument that they already have been.

esreveReverse

Israel will retain control of the Philadelphi corridor and large buffer zones to prevent any future weapons smuggling into Gaza or Gazan incursions into Israel.  There will always be people in green headbands calling themselves Hamas, but as long as they can’t rearm or pose a threat to Israel again, they don’t matter.

morriganjane

I personally think that war is completely horrible and I feel awful about all the Jews and all the innocent Palestinians who have died in this horrible and tragic conflict. It is just unbelievably horrible.

I personally think that the war was completely unnecessary -- it was a major mistake to leave Gaza and dismantle the settlements. Conditions were better for the Palestinians and were better for the Jews living there. Now, countless tens of thousands of people have died. Died for what? To re-establish security control over a region that Israel ALREADY had security control over and gave it up for some stupid and insane idea of "peace" with an organization that has as its stated goal, murdering all Jews.

  
Now that there is a conflict and it has started, obviously Hamas has to be defeated. Hamas and their affiliates are not only a threat to Israel, but also to most of the surrounding Arab countries, so they don't want Hamas around either.

quicksilver2009

it's a tough game theory question.

you bomb them into utter oblivion because that's the war they're asking for. they've built the tunnels and they've gone full guerilla. there's gonna be collateral damage (ie civilian infrastructure and deaths) but that's part of every armed conflict. not dehumanizing the innocents. it's just the nature of the game. the palestinians hate you for it, rightly or wrongly, and it perpetuates the cycle.

you don't bomb them and it sends a weird, weak message. asks for it to happen again.

i think israel is making the right choice laying waste to gaza. i dont think they really have another option. it's sad that so many palestinians are dying and their homes/lives are destroyed. but that's showbiz, baby.

il_diamanti

Watch this. Radicalization can happen but it’s also a fallacy that it WILL certainly happen. When two countries have historically gone to war eventually there becomes a permanent ceasefire/truce. In most cases. Otherwise the conflict would never end and every country would be indefinitely at war. I know Palestine is not a country but the concept remains that it’s up to Palestinians how they want their future to be. Watch this. Seriously. We all should: https://youtu.be/0juLRi90kRg?si=PbWCpfnzpGADJ0bJ

OiCWhatuMean

There’s this thing with this conflict that seems to go two ways. “Israel has a right to defend itself”. Clearly this is true, but the obvious opposite is do Palestinians not have a right to defend themselves? Well of course they do.

Same thing here. Deaths of family members will radicalize Palestinians to join hamas. Sure that’s logical. But is the same thing not also true of Israelis? Of course it is. 

The problem here that I’m seeing is it’s clearly a one sided conflict on the big picture at this point. If you care for your people at all and every war results in more death for you, less freedom, and no land. Maybe try something different. The Israelis aren’t going anywhere. They aren’t the French in Algeria, no matter how much Palestinians or their supporters may believe it so. So change tactics or this keeps happening, it can’t be expected that Israel will just take hits.

newworld_newjew

When the allies bombed Dresden did that radicalize the Germans? No they picked up and created what is in my opinion the greatest country in Europe. Gaza wasn't the first war and it will probably wouldn't be the last so to expect that the Palestinians to become more radical is like saying that China should be a terrorist state since they had it much worse than the Palestinians (see the Rape of Nanking).

Master_Scion

This feels disconnected from what's actually going on in terms of public opinion in Gaza...support for Hamas has plummeted to functionally nill. They want anyone else to rule. They've come to regret Oct 7, hard. 

After Hamas surrenders Gazans can realistically be trusted for a generation at least after this horrible lesson. 

I really wish Israel or some international community was willing to take over aid distribution before Hamas is defeated, there's a lot of suffering by civilians going on right now.

37davidg

They already hate the Israelis. I've heard that argument my entire life, i.e., "the violence will increase radicalization." They're all ALREADY radical. I've never heard about radicalization dropping during more peaceful periods.

Anyway, I think Israel's goal isn't to wipe out Hamas, it's to render Hamas as powerless as possible. I don't think they really care if the organization exists. They just want to make sure it can't do much.

Mikec3756orwell

Not eliminate Hamas but end its ability to rule over Gaza, terrorize Israelis, and never invade Israel again as they did on Oct 7th.

No-Preference8168

There's a legendary anime film, one that I do not recommend watching if you're uncomfortable with child suffering and sad endings. "Graveyard of the Fireflies." It's about two children who live in a wartorn hellscape with their aunt, after their parents were killed during the horrific war that claimed so many lives and destroyed their nation. They end up deciding to live by themselves, eat dirt because they're so hungry, and die of starvation. It's a film that shows how brutal war is to the civilians forced to endure it.

...The kids are Japanese, and the war was World War 2. The Tojo regime was responsible for ALL the suffering and death in Japan - and China, and Korea, and the Phillipines. And so decent people feel genuine sorrow for the suffering of Japanese children during and after WW2... and they also put the full blame on the same side that gave us the Rape of Nanking, and so many other atrocities and horrific crimes against humanity.

In the same vein, most Zionists feel HORRIBLE for what the Palestinians are forced to endure... it's just that we understand that this is all happening because of Hamas. We want to end Hamas, in order to save both Israelis AND Palestinians.

Due_Representative74

rayinho121212

I'll copy/paste from a previous post that I wrote 3 months ago which has aged surprisingly well. The question was whether or not I, as an Israeli, felt safer. Why? Because Hamas numbers have increased. The war seems pointless and the entire world has turned against us.

This is a tale told by people that are looking at the conflict through the lens of college campuses.

This is the regional lens:

1/2

**Palestine:**

Hamas' military infrastructure and stockpile of ammo and missiles are being systematically destroyed, to say nothing of their leadership. What percentage has been destroyed? I'm not sure. I know they've supposedly recruited as many as Israel killed, but I don't think there will be another October 7th anytime soon. They've completely lost that capability. That tunnel system took at least 2 decades to build, and billions of dollars.

All down the drain.

**Lebanon:**

Same goes for Hezbollah. They were planning an October 7th, and Israel prevented it from happening. And while they did, they took out their entire leadership, many of their bunkers and a huge chunk of their stockpiles of missiles, weapons and ammo.

There are signs that the ***Lebanese Army*** (!!!!!!!) are beginning to assert themselves over Hezbollah! No one wants to hear it, but if Lebanon finally becomes a functioning country that serves its own people, it'll be in part because of Israel. I've got out my pom-poms for the Lebanese. Ridding themselves of Hezbollah will be a glorious, glorious day.

**Syria:**

Huge parts of the supply chain across Syria were destroyed. A missile depot headed for Hezbollah was destroyed. **Assad's entire military was destroyed.** That blitz across Assad's abandoned military in 48 hours was absolutely incredible. I still can't believe it happened. We don't know if Syria will continue to allow itself to be an Iranian puppet to arm Iran's proxies in its war against Israel, we don't know if there is truly such a thing as a 'moderate Jihadi' but change is good. I hope things get better for the Syrians. Again, no one wants to hear it, but if Syria becomes a functioning country with some sort of representative democracy, it'll be in part because of Israel gutting Hezbollah.

**Houthis:**

The US and UK are at least flexing their muscles since they've disrupted the international shipping routes. My guess is when Trump comes to power he won't tolerate it. Certainly if the Abraham Accords are signed. Not sure what the Saudis are doing right now with the Houthis, but I don't think Israel will be the only one fighting the Houthis. Regardless, so far, they haven't been as much of a threat as the other countries. It could be that I'm underestimating them. But I think their source of funding will dwindle which segues into:

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I think the Israelis have just given up hope and are proceeding with the understanding that the Palestinians will hate them forever so there is no point in trying to treat them as anything other than enemies who would murder them in cold blood given half a chance. It's unfortunate, but generations of Israeli leftists have worked hard for peace with no results. At a certain point the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, no?

seponich

&gt;Do you think bombing gaza would eliminate hamas?

Targeting Hamas and their infrastructure in Gaza undeniably weakened them, and is well on its way to eliminating them 

&gt;How I look at it this is a recipe for radicalizations

Well, bombing the Nazis didn't create new Nazis. It eliminated the Nazis.

&gt;you cannot deny there was mistreatment on both ends the israelie and the palestian ends

But Israel has been offering peaceful coexistence since the beginning, and Palestinians have only ever wanted the destruction of Israel. 

&gt;But doesnt the death of someones loved ones build hatered to the israelies which creates more radicalized palestians

Palestinians are already maxed out on radicalization. Remember, they elected Hamas 20 years ago.  The only way to deradicalize them is to take over their education system and deprogram them from the Hamas/UNWRA hate programming.

&gt;and also do you still support the war on gaza, do you want it to still go on?

Absolutely. It must continue until Hamas is eliminated. That is the only good outcome for both the Israelis and the Palestinians.

flossdaily

It worked for Japan, Germany, and (checks list) pretty much every other radicalized group defeated in war. So yeah, I don't think Hamas are some kind of exception.

Routine-Equipment572

Return the hostages.   Agree to live peacefully.   Simple as that.   They will never agree.

lambsoflettuce

I mean it is def eliminating them,  they're all dying lol.  What I don't understand is how anyone who is left leaning is on the side of Hammas. I know there is a lot of misinformation going on to make israel look much worse than they are,  and it is clearly working.  My previous roommate referred to Hammas as "freedom fighters" which blew my fucking mind. Like Israel is in the wrong for killing innocents and displacing Palestinians who are not terrorists, but most of the land they have taken over were areas Hammas was using as attack points.  Hammas has also been using human shields for over a decade. Hammas kills gay people,  like there's been thousands of Palestinians that fled to Israel to seek asylum, so who really is the oppressor here.  Like Hammas could also just give back all the civilians they've been raping and torturing and avoid more bombing lol not sure why anyone in their right mind is still supporting them

Low_Guide5147

I support the continued existence of Israel, so I guess I could be called a Zionist and am therefore eligible to answer this question. However note that I lean pro Palestine in that I want Palestinians to have their own country alongside Israel in a two state solution.

I personally don't think continuing to bomb Gaza will eliminate Hamas. The US tried to use force to defeat the Taliban for 20 years to no avail. It doesn't matter how many died exactly, just that it's in the tens of thousands. I agree that the continued bombing only makes Palestinians hate Israel more. I want the war to end as soon as possible and for at least the living hostages to be returned.

I'm curious, as someone who self identifies as pro Palestine, do you condemn Hamas?

Humorous_forest

The bombing of Gaza was to eliminate Hamas' capabilities as shortly after October 7th....rightfully so because soon after the attacks Hamas promised to do October 7th-like attacks over and over again.    
  
Their 2017 charter reads as follows: **Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea.** 

It's Hamas who promises and engages in a forever-war.  It's Hamas who clearly states in their 2017 charter revision that they will never share and continue the fight in perpetuity. 

If you don't believe their charter you can hear them say it out loud: [https://youtu.be/PlJFzeTrHg8](https://youtu.be/PlJFzeTrHg8)

9110192824824

I mourn every single death of an innocent.  Hamas needs to be convinced to never do 10/7 again.  I don’t know if that can be done with fewer innocent deaths while doing so in a reasonable time and not putting Israeli soldiers at too high a risk; if it can, it should be.   

Bombing Gaza to smithereens would have eliminated Hamas but it would also have killed every Gazan so that was not a viable plan.
Saying “oh, well.  You got us.  We need to do better next time” would just encourage more hostage taking.
Trading convicted prisoners for hostages are likely to lead to further attacks (see Sinwar); I would have a more nuanced answer if the request was, as an example, to ask for a release of all prisoners held for a specified time (say 6 months) without the beginning of a trial.

So another action is needed.  Does this create more Hamas? Maybe.  But so does leaving Hamas in power, especially when they are in charge of education materials.  So I don’t know.

NoTopic4906

Can you show me another conflict where bombing led to some mass radicalization? Didn’t happen to the Japanese or Germans in WW2.

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No one is divided on the conflict. The vast majority support the complete eradication of Hamas and Hezbollah, bringing about an end to the terrorists Iranian proxies who fire rockets daily at us.

People are divided over how to proceed, some think the hostages haven't been given the priority needed, others think we give too much aid or too little aid to the Gazans. Others think the IDF is doing a good job but the leadership (Primarily bibi) are focused on themselves rather than the nation as a whole, However the public is not divided when it comes to the war because we can't be, it's a war of survival for Israel and everyone knows it

GK0NATO

I'd say most are pro ending Hamas

But the method of doing so is I guess tends to be more controversial, some want a deal, some want Hamas gone

I think the consensus is - we shouldn't sacrifice our own for the enemy civilians, no one wants to see dead innocents but at the same time we can't grant Gaza immunity because it is dense and Hamas likes to hang around schools

vbsh123

Personally, I dislike Bibi a lot but I'm glad that he refuses to end the war for a deal. Hamas needs to be dealt with once and for all, and if that means no hostage deal - then so be it, as far as I'm concerned.

SuitEnvironmental327

Everyone in my life is pro-ending Hamas, but reactions to how the war is being conducted vary

What do you mean by “government’s actions”? And what do you mean by “fully support”? What do you mean by “dissent and concern”?

If by “government’s actions” you mean “the war effort”, then there is an overwhelming public support for the stated war objectives, which are in no particular order: 

1. Eliminating Hamas’s military and governmental capabilities.

2. Releasing all the hostages, both dead and alive.

The methods of achieving these war objectives are more debatable: most support a harsher approach against Hamas, using military means, while some support a more diplomatic approach, but they are in the minority. Both sides have good reasons and arguments. A ceasefire would be readily accepted if Hamas would agree to the terms Israel has proposed which have been supported by the US — so far, Hamas has been reluctant to make any concessions, so the war continues. 

The “protests” (interesting you put these in apostrophes) are by and large not against the war per se, but more so against how the war effort is carried out: many people feel that the government is more focused on eliminating Hamas rather than releasing the hostages, which is a more time-sensitive issue (hostages can and do die, Hamas will remain as long as they’re not destroyed). There are also protests against other things the government does: conscription of ultra-orthodox men of serving age (both pro and against), financial matters, the proposed judicial reform, etc. 

If by “dissent” you mean “criticism against the IDF and/or refusal to serve”, then no there isn’t any dissent (or, more correctly, any dissent is inconsequential). Israel is a very small country, and has a very well-connected social structure: people know other people from all walks of life, all places in the country, and varied ethnic and social backgrounds. I don’t think it’d be an exaggeration to say that most people knew at least 1 person that was directly affected by the massacres on 7/10. People are keenly aware that unless Hamas is destroyed there will be, with absolute certainty, more 7/10s — and Hamas spokespeople said as much explicitly. 

If by “concern” you mean “concern regarding the humanitarian situation in Gaza”, then no. As far as most Israelis are concerned, they brought it on themselves: they poked the bear — or, more correctly, invaded the bear’s territory and killed 1,200 of its relatives and kidnapped 250 more — and now they suffer the consequences. Most Israelis don’t want innocent Gazans to suffer, but if they do suffer then that’s on them; you can’t elect a terrorist organization as government on the promise that they will “destroy Israel”, and that when they do their best and Israel retaliates with force be all like “how did this happen??” (or maybe you can, but that’s unrealistic). There are some who think that what Israel’s doing is an overkill (no pun intended), while some think that what Israel’s doing isn’t enough — but by and large most trust the IDF to carry out its duties faithfully, and most agree that it has done so. 

If by “concern” you mean “concern for the hostages and the 100,000 displaced people from the Gaza Envelope and the Confrontation Line (i.e. the area on the border with Lebanon) then yes, most Israelis are very concerned about them. This is an unprecedented situation: there have never been so many hostages kidnapped in a single terrorist attack, and there has never been such a long time where so many people were temporarily displaced; there have been POWs held in captivity by enemy countries, and there have been permanent displacements of Israelis civilians in forfeited territory (such as in the Sinai or the Gaza Strip), but never like this. Just to put things into perspective: if an analogous event would’ve happened in the US, there would be almost 4,000,000 displaced people, almost 10,000 hostages, and about 45,000 dead — all as a consequence of a single, massive, brutal terrorist attack. Read these numbers again, try to understand how severe this is, and how the danger of it ever happening again is perceived by Israelis. 


For Israelis, this is an existential war: if we won’t make absolutely sure that everyone knows, beyond all doubt, that this is completely unacceptable and will be met with overwhelming force — then this will inevitably mean that our enemies will use this as a lesson and will try to kill us all, as they have undeniably made clear that is their intention. Make no mistake, those aren’t idle threats: Hamas and other Islamic terrorists organizations in Gaza, Hizbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen, and Iran with all of its Shiite proxies have made it perfectly clear — both by words and actions — that they will not rest until Israel is destroyed and its Jewish population is either killed or expelled.

omrixs

Thinking of a conflict in us vs them is a very American thing (probably because of having only 2 political parties). In israel there are many political parties and consequentially many potential solutions.

I love when trolls come in, pretend to ask an “honest” question,

-And then unleash their internalized propaganda.

-Babbling as if they have any knowledge of the situation.

-Ignorant of the Hamas Charter.

-Telling Israelis how to run Israel.

-Coming from positions of privilege where their lives and homes are not in danger.

-Virtue signaling as if they’re in some kind of a yodeling contest.

-Oblivious to the fact that they have no idea WTH they’re even talking about.

-Being convinced that they they’re actually not ignorant or brainwashed.

-Being so arrogant and evil as to say they “don’t GAF about Hamas.”

Willing-Swan-23

very undevided,  
october 7th made it click in everyones head that you could be next, that theres no interest of coexistence from the other side.

How divided would any country be after something like Oct 7? Lol only Al Jazeera and AL Jazeera West are trying to say there are massive numbers of Jews and or Israelies against the war in Gaza... Hamas has among others 8 Americans hostage also... Something the jihadist simping US media refuses to report on... The US should be pressuring Hamas and their puppet masters in Iran not our ally Israel to be honest.

Israelis will always find an aspect to be divided over an issue.

CommitteeofMountains

Everyone doesn't like our enemies, Arabs are split because of the damage caused to Gaza. (many of them have family there) but they don't cause issues.

ChuchiTheBest

Many folks are strongly anti-Bibi, with 70% of the population surveyed wanting him gone. 
Most folks I know want a ceasefire very, very soon because they want the hostages back.

Generally speaking both sides agree that the war is just and necessary: most Israelis know someone who was hurt in the Hamas massacres, as well as suffered some consequences from the war beyond it (displacement, rocket attacks, reserve duty, etc.); most Israelis have been intimately hurt by the war, or at least know someone who was.

The main difference is regarding the hostages, and specifically the merits of a hostage deal: the “right” is more for military operations as a way to pressure Hamas into a better deal where fewer prisoners (and especially ones with blood on their hands) will be released and it not being contingent on an end to the war — as another war objective is the dismantling of Hamas. On the other hand, the “left” pushes for a deal to release the hostages as soon as possible, even if it entails releasing a lot of prisoners and ending the war without Hamas being dismantled. 

Put differently, one side believes that dismantling Hamas is the top priority and should be achieved even at a significant cost (i.e. more hostages potentially dying, which is a likely outcome), while the other side believes that releasing the hostages is the top priority and should be achieved even at a significant cost (i.e. Hamas still existing and potentially doing another attack like Oct. 7th, as they said they would)

No one has any delusions about what’s going on in Gaza. We suffered something which is in many ways similar to it on Oct. 7th in the Gaza Envelope, with the only thing stopping Hamas and Co. from going further being the IDF and other Israeli security forces. The war can end right now if Hamas will surrender, disarm, and release the hostages. Seeing as they’re refusing to do that, there really is no other choice than pushing on.

All i know is just like al Jazeera, there is an Israeli Hebrew versions of haaratz and an english one, printing two different things to two different audiances.  Proving that they are in the business of making money, and not reporting the news.

Objective_Group_2157

Regarding the West Bank, the opinions from left to right are:

1. Complete withdrawal and evacuation of the settlements;
2. Withdrawal from most of the West Bank, except settlement blocs;
3. A freeze on construction;
4. Maintaining the status quo while "strengthening the PA";
5. Maintaining the status quo in the West Bank while "fighting the PA";
6. Partial annexation of Area C;
7. Annexation of everything and turning the Palestinians into Jordanians, construction even without permission from the state;
8. Transfer.

Opinions are roughly distributed in a bell curve, centered at 5.

Regarding Gaza, the opinions are:

1. Reaching at all costs a deal that includes a complete ceasefire;
2. Fighting until a deal that includes a complete ceasefire is reached;
3. Fighting until a deal that includes a ceasefire is reached, and returning to fighting once the hostages are released;
4. Agreement only to temporary hostage deals, halting humanitarian aid as long as there are hostages and as long as USA allows;
5. Uncompromising fighting until Hamas is defeated, no humanitarian aid, annexing the perimeter/part of the Strip as a deterrent;
6. Occupation, expulsion, settlement.

Opinions are roughly distributed in a bell curve, centered at 3-4.

American pressure or normalization agreements with Arab countries could shift opinions somewhat.

Source: None, this is just my gut feeling.

Arielowitz

The biggest difference is if the war is the fault of "the Conception" or Bibi (hint: it's both.)

KlorgianConquerer

a lot of leftists in Israel are the first ones to spread anti zionist rhetoric. and a lot of pro palis take advantage of this to say "oh see even israelis think israel shouldn't exist see see"

Maldives is an Islamic country so this isn’t really surprising.

Ricklames

isn't maldives the country where rape victims  are flogged to death because they get blamed for their own assault?

CapAccomplished8072

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Yeah, reminder of what the locals in the Maldives really think of foreigners:  
https://youtu.be/d_R3sG58S14?si=mOn1cDMjyYUOpgCy

DancesWithTards

Though this is a direct ban, a few Israelis have bypassed such travel bans through getting citizenship in another country (e.g., birthright, naturalization, or even **paying money**) not affected by bans. Nas Daily (Ethnic Palestinian who sides with Israel and has Israeli citizenship) has detailed how he was able to get into a country that banned Israelis through the money method. Unless they close such loophole, the travel ban will not be as much effective.

ViridianWizard

Yet Russian citizens can travel to the Maldives without even a visa. 

ReviewStuff2

If I am not mistaken the Maldives are known to have their own fair share of human rights abuses. 

[Wikipedia ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Maldives)

Maldives one of those few Islamist nations where nationality, citizenship and suffrage/voting rights are based on being a sunni muslim.

If you become a heretic, convert or marry a non-muslim man, you will lose your citizenship (and right to life) 

It is a shitty nation that caters to the wealthy of the world and must rightfully be boycotted by the rest of the world.

gfxd

Homosexuality is illegal in the Maldives. I run a gay-oriented travel agency with my husband. We actively disuade people from going there.

The resorts all claim you're safe in their hotels but the country still outlaws being gay. This is going to fuck up their tourism industry even more.

Maybe they should work on themselves before lecturing others on human rights.

newhunter18

Does this apply to all Israelis or just Jewish ones?

Are Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship also banned?

I’m fascinated how the western left has a tendency to applaud any nation taking measures against Israel, inspite of how hypocritical those nations are due to their own abhorrent human rights record.

They seem to struggle to understand 99% of the time it’s just a gesture of being against America no matter the cause.

CBT7commander

I’m sure the Israel government will be devastated

Tbmadpotato

QuickSilver010

Oh no, not the disappearing 99% muslim country! Whatever will the Israelis do without access to this tiny asian island nation for the next 70 years while its still above water.

Photizo

Hell yea! Israelis have terrible surf etiquette

photoinebriation

Idiots went after India, which pissed India off so much that they stopped coming over and nearly destroyed their economy and tourism sector. Do they not learn nothing?

MahaRaja_Ryan

And yet they cater to Russian tourists. REEEEEEE.

etzel1200

Maybe they don't want to go. 
Heavily religious countries are on the no go list for most anyway.

troubledtimez

Fuck terrorist state of Israel

Fuck ZionistsJDF

Free Palestine

RayRayofsunshine85

Tell me again which month is Gay pride month in Maldives?

Not_Shark1

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