Public sentiment is polarized regarding India's position on the Iran-Israel conflict. Some advocate for a neutral stance and caution against involvement in foreign conflicts, while others express strong support for Israel, citing concerns over Iran's alliances and nuclear ambitions. Conversely, a significant segment emphasizes support for Iran's right to defend itself, criticizing Israel's actions and the humanitarian crisis in the region. Overall, the discourse reveals skepticism towards military intervention, with many commenters prioritizing diplomatic solutions amid fears of economic repercussions from escalating tensions.

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and the pattern we're seeing so far with Israel's war tactics puts them at the top. Its not just the weaponry, iron defence F35s or the billions in funding, its Mossad. They have key, high value targets pinned in every enemy state. We've seen plenty of examples with Lebanon, Yemen, and most recently (also in the past) with Iran. They might be onto us, for God knows, how long.

PructFrust

&gt; We need to speed up on research and development and improve our air defenses

Word! Honestly this is a necessity now. Comes with pros and cons tho. Military budget gonna peak, and poverty for the citizens as well.

alishbahahmad7

May Allah bless Dr AQ Khan and all others involved in our nuclear program back then. We were and are absolutely nothing without nukes

Brave_Impact_

we need to carefully stop our reliance on Arab countries, they are unreliable and are up for sale at all times. This loan seeking mentality needs to slowly removed from our economic policies and you're right the military must up their R&amp;D spend along with improve intelligence.

milk-steak-sunny

Also its also the only one with a good Air Force

goldtank123

We need to buy a nuclear submarine yesterday. Investing in AD is good but if Israel wants to hit us, they will git us. Nothing can stop a swarm of ballistic missiles. Deterrence is the best strategy.

not_hairy_potter

So let's get something pretty straight. Israel is not doing anything to US. That is a fact. 

We aren't considered a major problem for Israel, in the sense that we are not involved in the conflict. Yes, we do the boycott, we raise our voice, but we are not funding any troops, etc. At the same time, we have helped in the Ukraine war, have major ties with China and Saudi Arabia (the other MENA country that America loves). 

So, like, we should stop this fear mongering and care about what is really required for us to better ourselves. The whole Iran-Israel thing was going to happen sooner or later. Like be sad for the lives that were lost, still advocate for Palestine where every you can but don't think a country like Israel will ever strike Pakistan overtly (covertly is another thing entirely).

Neat_Firefighter_806

People here really forgotten Iran was firing missiles at us last year, and have been helping India with BLA?

Anti-Israel works when our so called muslim allies aren't already involved in destabilizing us. Iran in Balochistan, Afghanistan in KPK, Arab states with Gwadar, Iran and Saudi inciting Sunni shia violence. 

And this whole "why are these arab states not helping out iran" You guys ever read what Iran did with Kuwait? who exactly did Zia go and help out Jordan against a coup? What Hezbollah, iranian backed, did to Sunnis in 2008? 

Muslim ummah is a dream that's never been true. We've been fighting eachother for centuries and centuries, or else there'd been no different Caliphates, no Abbasids after Umayyads, no Arabs destabilizing Ottomon empire with help from British

EverBurningPheonix

wdym "we"????? the army owns the country and they will jump at the first opportunity alongside the saudis to normalise relations with the zionist entity.

there was never "we" in this equation. they dont serve our interests. they're the remnants of colonialism that we failed to neutralise. get that through ur heads ffs

titanfeed

Pakistan is not privately Israel lol. To be clear, we aren't pro-Israel either.

But we have had decades of intelligence-sharing relations with Israel. 

We have allegedly also sent secret delegations to Israel. In 2005, our foreign ministers publicly met each other in Turkey.

Hamza-K

I don't think we have or will be a part of it. It is more of a Middle Eastern conflict than a Religious one

kaiser-1048

Israel's goal is to eliminate the military capability of regional muslim armies so that it can have it's final plans for greater Israel implemented. 

Be in no doubt Pakistan will be next.  Israelis already succeeded in getting India to attack Pakistan and directly supported them.

kebabish

I am not sure if I understand.  If they make you sign the Abraham Accords, why would you need to improve your air defenses?

kawhileopard

What are you talking about?

The biggest threat is PTI and that person who is in jail from last 3 years.

Israel and US have nothing to afraid , we already unofficially banned Palestine protest or any symbol of solidarity. Just slashed 99% budget of atomic energy commission. We will serve our masters as they command , they don’t need to attack us.

DocAmad

Anythingaddict

_muse_is_amused

drmuneeb

Bold of you to assume we don't have secret ties.

makhaninurlassi

What is your end game here, the ability to hit Israel?

Israel is very small. Hitting them impacts its neighbours too.

This sort of hoo haa is of little practical use. In the end, stable geopolitics -&gt; stable economies -&gt; environment for growth -&gt; people can lead prosperous lives.

It's time our societies realised that.

ramario281

We don't need to do anything. Keep your head down and don't get into these conflicts.

Strange_Cartoonist14

Why are yall saying Iran is out of the way? What happened to Iran?

kickkickpunch1

&gt;Now with Iran gone

I think you are a bit quick on this assesment.

Other-Comfortable-64

What do you guys get with this fear mongering?

Ill-Significance5784

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We Turks are currently are only muslim nation who creates real danger and power struggle to Israel.

Dry-Peak-7230

Yes and then u will be fucked by both india and israel

Icy-Major-1327

It’s time we start from the ground up — by teaching our children the truth, the facts, and the rich, often forgotten legacy of the Muslim world.
For too long, education has been reduced to a narrow path: study hard, get a degree, find a job, buy a house, start a family, and eventually fade away. This cycle, while stable for some, has also bred complacency and crushed potential.

We must shift this mindset.

Our goal should not just be good employees — it should be great leaders, visionaries, scholars, inventors, reformers, and changemakers across every field of life. The Muslim world once led in science, philosophy, medicine, trade, and governance — we need to rekindle that flame. That starts with telling our children who they really are, and what they are truly capable of.

Let’s teach identity with purpose. Education with meaning. Ambition with character.
Let’s rebuild — not for comfort, but for contribution.

EfficiencyFrosty6964

Who told you Pakistan is privately anti Israel.. ?

biryanishiryani101

&gt;I think ((they))

You could just say Israel?

Western-Challenge188

Correction:

Apparently, not openly. 

Deep down, they already are with Zionists.

Pakistan uses Israeli spy softwares.
Pakistani friend circle is Saudi, Turkey and Azerbaijan. All shamelessly Zionist servants and master hypocrites who help Gaza with tongues and talks while help zionists with money, oil, military facilities, intelligence, and creating religio-political fog that benefits Israel.

Onland-Pirate

What does signing abraham accords entail?  nothing wrong with normalisation of relationships, if it DOES NOT MEAN giving up stance on freedom and security for Palestinians.

hastobeapoint

Also, like others engages with Israel via backdoors. They just sent a team this year too, it was all over Israeli newspaper, nothing like Hafiz Asim engaging Zionist lobby for favors

Ihatepros236

Asim Munir is working tirelessly to establish relations with Israel.

ahsan_shah

Hey guys, we don't care about Pakistan...

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Hmmm, this reads like rage bait but I’ll engage for the fun of it.

I think your idea of the US’s global power is quite misguided. The use of a tactical nuke, as you’ve mentioned in some of your replies, would be a horrendous miscalculation. 

The US military is by almost every metric- the most dominant force wielded by any group of humans ever. The problem is, the US doesn’t solely wield this power; the US is hugely bolstered by it’s relationships with other countries (allowing military bases in their nations, trading, enforcement of external foreign policy).

The large majority of the US’s allies, would no longer be US allies in the event of a preemptive nuclear strike. The opposite would happen- the world would see the US as tyrannical, and they would be correct.

Even in a US vs the World scenario, I believe the US would still actually have a chance in a vacuum, but unfortunately we don’t live in a vacuum. The US populace would bleed out America from the inside. We can look at how the world reacted to Israel’s operation in Gaza and easily deduce that a nuclear strike against another sovereign nation would be, in almost all cases, idiotic. 

I’m not sure how serious you’re being in your replies or your post. With all due respect, it reads as completely ignorant and naive. I’d recommend for you to focus less on military power on paper, but rather, consider whether the world as a whole truly likes US policy, or whether they simply tolerate it.

Hexsisboii

Iran is a nation full of 90 million people who you are basically saying should assimilate to US rule or be genocided. It might be ideal if the US is planning on forceful world domination but imperialism like this has proven to never work and will only create hatred in the hearts of all those people towards the west meddling in their lives. This view is just inherently wrong based on moral grounds and honestly only makes sense if you see these people as subhuman. From this same perspective it makes sense for Iran to hurry up that nuclear deterrent to save itself or to attempt takeover of Israel in order to eliminate potential threats. None of which are a good resolution to this conflict

CollectionHeavy9281

You frame your post like the world is a chessboard and the US can casually knock over pieces like Iran, Pakistan, and eventually parts of Russia, India, and China. But this isn’t chess. It’s fucking Jenga. Iran isn’t just another Middle Eastern country that can be bombed into submission. It’s a fortress built by nature, surrounded by mountains, deserts, and chokepoints that make any conventional invasion a logistical nightmare. Every invading force in history has struggled to hold it, and with modern terrain analysis and satellite intel, it’s even clearer now: no amount of airstrikes or special ops will overcome the sheer defensive advantages of the land itself. You are advocating for a military operation against a state that is not only dug in and armed to the teeth but one that has spent the last four decades preparing for this exact scenario.

What’s worse is your belief that because people hate the Iranian regime, they’ll let the US or Israel roll in without resistance. That’s naive. Iranians may despise their government, but they despise foreign invaders more. There is a deeply rooted national identity, and you would instantly unite reformists, hardliners, apolitical citizens, and even exiles in a massive, national, asymmetric response. You wouldn’t be liberating a people, you’d be triggering a deeply emotional, historical, and spiritual war of resistance. This wouldn’t be like Iraq or Afghanistan. It would be asymmetric warfare at a scale no American military planner has ever dealt with, drone swarms, cyberattacks, guerrilla ambushes in urban environments, coordinated proxy wars across the region, martyrdom missions, and mass mobilization across a population of 90 million. And that’s without mentioning the regional fallout. Hezbollah, the Houthis, Shia militias in Iraq, cells in Syria, Bahrain, possibly even Afghanistan, all of them would be unleashed, with Iranian intelligence and weapons behind them.

Your “water” argument is so absurd it borders on parody. Do you actually believe that the US could launch operations over the Volga, the Himalayas, the Yangtze, or Pearl River and face no consequences? That China, India, or Russia would just sit back and allow foreign drones or missiles to threaten their heartlands? These are nuclear powers. Any attempt to target their waterways from a “springboard” in Iran wouldn’t just be escalation, it would be suicide. You’re treating nuclear deterrence like it’s optional, as if the most heavily defended nations in the world will roll over and hand over control of their rivers. This isn’t just bad strategy. It’s insane.

Even if you somehow succeeded in occupying Iran, which you wouldn’t, you’d gain nothing. You wouldn’t pacify the population. You’d trigger a generational wave of resistance, attacks, and revenge. Iran is a civilization, not just a country, and it has a long memory. Occupying it won’t bring control. It will bring chaos that spreads through the region and lasts decades. You talk about avoiding the “moral mistakes” of Iraq and Afghanistan, but you haven’t learned anything from them. You’ve just stripped away the pretense and kept the arrogance. What you’re proposing isn’t realism. It’s ideological imperialism fueled by ignorance, and it would bring about exactly what you claim to be preventing: collapse, war, and the end of US global credibility. There is no victory in your vision, only fire, and you’re too intoxicated by power fantasies to see that you’re the one holding the match.

Unless you want another Vietnam on your hands, stay the fuck out of Iran.

Interesting-Sail1414

What exactly would “the defeat of Iran” look like?

What do you do with all the Iranians? The US can’t even keep the downtown of its own second biggest metro under control at the moment, what chance does it have with all of Iran and the rest of the Middle East? You’re just going to kill them all? And then what?

CBRChimpy

It would be an incorrect decision for “the West” but beneficial to Israel (which is usually how it goes). In the US, inner divisions might escalate past a boiling point and political destabilization would follow civil instability. 

The war in Vietnam was widely unpopular when it was shown on TV, sparking protests, so they took it off TV… the war in Iraq was only popular at first because 9/11 was widely shown on TV..  even though of course Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Now more than ever, the conflict in Gaza is as unpopular as it gets for Americans, especially the youth, across the left and right, manly because of widespread independent information on social media. Young Americans do not seem to be fans of Israel, and are very active in protesting the atrocities committed by Israel and calling out how much of our US tax dollars goes them and how many of our politicians may be blackmailed them.

And Israel is our main reason for not being friendly with Iran..

So if we start bombing Iran, a fully developed nation, and have to send American troops to fight and die in Iran, because of their beef with Israel, there will be unity across social media in detesting the US actions and it will boil into the streets making the pro-Palestine protests look like sewing circles. 

Americans do not want to see billions of our tax dollars going to fund a new war on behalf of a country that many people see as evil. This one would probably be the last straw.

SpeaktheTalk

Don’t say ‘the West’ when you really mean the US. You love bombing countries and turning your mess into the world's mess.  

Also, f*ck your take—go bomb Alabama or something and leave the rest of the world alone

LadySwire

Iran is the same size as the Iberian Peninsula, France, Germany combined, alongside a 1/2 of the county being mountain ranges, and the other 1/2 being a fucking desert (dasht lut). This is nearly twice as large at the total amount of territory the US invaded and four-five times as large as what we occupied after WWII and unlike then, we aren’t having the Soviets, British, Yugoslavians, and French on our sides. We will be totally alone. It took 3 Million US Troops to Invade and liberate Europe and 1.5 Million US soldiers to occupy Germany and Austria. By that alone, it will take easily over several Million more to occupy Iran (we currently have 1.32 Million) so hello Draft. 

And on top of that, on terrain that is on every metric, worse than what we faced in Europe, with exception of maybe the Balkans. And unlike the Germans, who had millions of their soldiers already dead in the Soviet Invasions by the time of D-day or the US invasion of Italy, Irans population is intact. 

Forget Iraq and Afghanistan, you’re dealing with a situation that is objectively worse than invading Europe in WWII. Please explain to me how the cost is not going to be absolutely fucking batshit crazy as far as casualties and military spending would go. 

edit - Balkans not Baltics

Front-Cancel5705

The Axis of resistance collapsed. Assad is gone, Hamas will never be allowed to recover, Hezbollah ended yup being totally toothless, and Iran essentially threw their allies to the wolves once they figured out there was nothing they could do to protect them. Combine that with Iran's internal economic and political problems and they are not a major concern now. We should ignore them, and focus on Ukraine and Taiwan.

Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho

“It seems the attack on Iran is finally imminent, this is great news for America.”

False premise. War with Iran is not “great news” — it’s a geopolitical powder keg. Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan; it has a strong military, strategic alliances, and a population of 88 million. War would not end quickly, nor cleanly, and would almost certainly embroil the U.S. in a multi-front, asymmetric quagmire.

“The long project in the Middle East is coming to fruition, with most independent states being decimated… Israel and the Gulf States remaining.”

If the goal is to reduce the Middle East to proxy-run husks, then the last 20 years were a colossal failure. Iraq is unstable, Afghanistan was handed back to the Taliban, Syria remains fragmented, and Iran — until this week — was growing stronger. The idea that the U.S. has been successfully shaping a pro-American Middle East is a delusion. What remains is resentful, unstable, volatile, and in many cases, more aligned with China or Russia than with Washington.

“The defeat of Iran would give the US immense power… a springboard to attack Russia and China.”

Iran isn’t a stepping stone to Eurasian conquest — it’s a trap. The terrain is mountainous and nearly ungovernable. The culture is fiercely nationalist, not just Islamic. Any U.S. occupation would face decades of insurgency, at levels that make Iraq and Afghanistan look manageable.

As for springboarding into Russia or China — that’s fantasy. Iran does not connect cleanly to critical Chinese or Russian infrastructure, and attempting to use it as a base for such operations would provoke nuclear escalation thresholds.

“This also makes Israel uncontestable… Turkey and Egypt should be disposed of.”

Turkey is a NATO member. Egypt receives U.S. military aid. Any move to “dispose” of them would cause NATO to fracture and ignite global condemnation — not to mention massive regional war. Israel’s position isn’t strengthened by surrounding chaos; it’s weakened by it, because it must now defend every inch of its border against rocket fire, cyberwarfare, and proxy insurgents.

“No more moralization. No democracy building. Just decimation and control.”

What you’re describing is imperialism without end, which is both logistically unsustainable and strategically short-sighted. Power that rests only on military force collapses the moment attention or resources are diverted. Ask the British Empire. Or the Soviets. Or Rome.

“The final and most important point is the water aspect… Iran and Pakistan allow a springboard into underbellies of India, China, Russia.”

Control of the Himalayan Plateau, Yangtze headwaters, and Volga River is not accomplished through force projection from Tehran. These are fortified national red zones of three nuclear-armed states. The idea that the U.S. could march north and seize water sources from inside China or Russia is not a strategic plan — it’s a geopolitical hallucination.

“The costs of short-term war are offset by long-term benefits…”

History doesn’t support this. Iraq cost over $2 trillion, thousands of lives, and delivered no clear benefit. Afghanistan collapsed the moment U.S. troops left. Meanwhile, China rose, BRICS strengthened, and the U.S. faces internal political division and debt levels approaching unsustainability.

War drains empires more than it strengthens them. Especially when the enemy is decentralized, spread out, and has global partners.

TLDR: Why Your Argument Fails
	1.	Strategic Overestimation: You assume a level of U.S. dominance that no longer exists in a multipolar world.
	2.	Logistical Ignorance: You disregard terrain, population resistance, and long-term costs of occupation.
	3.	Geopolitical Naïveté: You underestimate the response of China, Russia, Turkey, Pakistan — all nuclear or near-nuclear states.
	4.	Historical Amnesia: You forget the consequences of the last 20 years of war: trillions lost, credibility eroded, enemies strengthened.
	5.	Internal Decay: You assume the U.S. has infinite political will and economic strength. It doesn’t. Wars like this accelerate imperial decline, not prevent it.

griffibo

Are you arguing for a prolonged military occupation of Iran by the US? Because otherwise I don’t get the references to a springboard. 

Also, you understand such an attack would be grossly illegal right? This seems like the kind of act that would ultimately degrade the last several decades of soft power the US has been building both regionally and globally.

FerdinandTheGiant

Way off. If America gets involved in another quagmire it won't work in our favor. Since the end of world war two our policing of other countries and intervention has backfired 100% of the time. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan all mistakes. Leave the fighters to their own idiocy, our taking a side and arming that side is a waste of resources and life and won't work in our favor. 

MechanicHead3340

First, Israel has interests in defeating Iran.  The United States does not. The status quo is prefect acceptable to the US, since the only real interest is oil.  Attacking Iran would hugely disrupt that, sending oil prices spring and probably cratering the US economy.   

Second, what you’re describing is occupying Iran, which is a far larger country than Afghanistan and Iraq put together.   It would be an outright catastrophe.   There is zero chance the United States has the capability to pull that off


Also, we don’t need Iran to attack China, Since Taiwan, Korea and Japan are all allies, and why would we want to attack China?  That’s insanity. As for Russia, we are part of NATO with a very long border with Russia should the US need a staging ground.   Iran doesn’t border either directly.

cairnrock1

What an ignorant and poorly thought out idea.

You actually want to encourage war with Russia and China? Why? The US should absolutely not do that.

This is the very reason why we would be better off destroying Israel than Iran.

Israel is behind every war we have ever had in the Middle East. They take billions of dollars from us as well as our military supplies all while manipulating and interfering with our government through Al sorts of means including pedo file sex black mail rings (Epstein Island) and AIPAC the only foreign lobbying group allowed to not have to register as a foreign lobby.

Meanwhile, they stole nuclear weapons from the US (Apollo Affair) following in the footsteps of steps of “Rekesh” where they stole weapons from WW2 to send to their Zionist endeavors in British Palestine where they carried out terrorist attacks like the King David Hotel Bombing and Operation Cast Thy Bread. 

They have been trying to involve Us military in the Middle East for ever by attacking US citizens and blaming it on others Lavon Affair (bomb use citizens in Egypt and blame it on the Muslim brotherhood), FLLF Bombings (a series of car bombings in Lebanon that targeted the US ambassador there), the attack on the USS Liberty (which they tried to say was Egypt)…. And lots of evidence they were behind 9/11 (but that’s way to deep to get into here)

Advanced_Explorer980

I thought the reason you guys wanted Trump elected was to avoid wars. Not start them. .

weedywet

You say that it will eliminate any form of panIslamism. But it would inevitably mean further support of the Islamist regime in Syria to put pressure on western Iraq and the Islamists in Yemen to put pressure on the Houthis.

It makes me wonder if it will create Bin Ladenite-like groups on the Shi'ite side that could attack the US or its nerve endings. The crux for them will be the funding. Intelligence is unnecessary because there's so many open targets.

This possibility could be a reason to further crackdown on immigration into the US. They could send in dummy groups as bait to be captured intentionally to cause internal conflict. This could escalate the war with cartels. This means a ground war on our southern border with head chopper cartels while supporting head chopper terrorist groups abroad.

Combine these with our already crippling debt problems.

It would be relatively easily to fund and support groups in many locations across the globe that would distribute military resources elsewhere and bog the US down into quagmires. Iran would be very smart to fund these kinds of endeavors. They could play the long game and bankrupt the US, as was Bin Laden's goal.

Photon6626

&gt; you'll have to show how the cost may be higher than the gains

You can take a pretty good look at Iran's terrain and military capabilities and get a pretty good idea what an invasion would look like: a complete disaster for any invading Army. US already struggled with Afghanistan and struggles to do anything significant against the Houthis. What makes you think that they'll fare well against a country with an Military Industrial Complex on it's own?

In addition, Iran's primary strategic action in case of a war by West, has been to block/mine the Persian Gulf and to strike at every single oil facility in the Middle East, which they are largely capable of. They'd only need to block the Gulf and strike at enough facilities to completely and utterly cripple global oil supply and almost certainly crash the global economy, including Israel's, who depends on oil shipments from Azerbaijan.

Thirdly, consider the fact that no one is lying when they say Iran is simply weeks away from developing ICBMs: Nuclear Weapons are not too complicated machines, Pakistan built them easily themselves when they were greatly impoverished. In case of a full on US invasion, Iran can easily develop nuclear weapons within a couple of weeks, so unless US immediately flattens all of Iran (very unlikely to happen) then the situation will immediately escalate to full on nuclear war between Iran and Israel.

Draghalys

You mean conduct an invasion for those losers who can't even get to Iraq to help their "closest ally?" **Twice**????

Or in Afghanistan, the *original* "War Against Terrorism" if any war could ever be called that, in the post 9/11 fervor? Despite constant claims of being "great against terrorists?"

Expect us to do all the work while they sit back?

No neighbors would ever grant Israel military access through them, especially considering how often Israel violates their airspace with raids. Not even the US could convince the coalition hosts for Desert Storm, Saudi Arabia, to do that. 

Hell, it's so bad that Israel's can have their trade directly attacked by the Houthis, at a known maritime chokepoint of Aden, and Israel *still* can't send any warships to escort their ships around there even after a year of such attacks.

Israel can fuck right off.

Xezshibole

"Russia, which was decimated in Ukraine" that only, shows the magnitude of delusion and naiveness in your perception of geopolitical matters. 

Do you think that the three majorly threatened states in your scenario (that two of them happen to be the largest armies and the other have the largest nuclear arsenal), will sit and watch the US taking control of Iran? How ignorant!... 

This would be exactly the excuse that BRICS needs to engage without holding back. This would be the end of the US. Good luck with that and good luck to the whole planet!...

Tasosu

You want to attack Iran, and rule over Iran, in order to attack Russia, China, and Pakistan. Why not just declare war on the entire world while you're at it?

There is a much greater need for support within the country. Diverting resources to attacking another country, for the purpose of subsequent attacks against other countries... 


... the US seems to be the real threat here, with this scenario.

WippitGuud

Whenever I see the comment 'Iran has a right to defend itself' I find it incredibly funny. Not because of the soverign protections that all countries share, but the fact that people truly don't understand war, conflict, and geopolitics. Israel attacked Iran not because of religious hatred, colonization, or anything else related. They did because of Iran's nuclear program, because of the fall with the Iran Nuclear Deal and the United States caused by current sitting President Trump. Israel had to act becuase Iran is under an islamic radical regime and if they get their hands on a nuclear weapon it would change the entire atmosphere in the Middle East. And terrorists + nukes aren't a good combination

SeaDeep117

If you're asking yourself is this person last post  more or less a vieled argument to doing a genocide via nuke in Muslim majority countries to destroy islam you'd be right probably not much point arguing with them. It either bait or their a nut.

Foxhound97_

I don't believe the US can win a conflict with the Chinese that easily. Russia, probably, but given that the current administration seems extremely reluctant to take any direct action against Russia, that seems unlikely to occur. 

Can you demonstrate why, if we're ignoring moral/ethical restraints (which we shouldn't do, but just for the sake of argument), you believe a fight against China would be successful? I'm not suggesting the PLA is superior necessarily but I don't think the American public would stomach a war against China for as long as it would take and especially with the number of casualties they'd be likely to suffer.

tbcwpg

Good for israel maybe, but for the US? We benefit nothing from the region since Israel's wars are piling up and the US is funding them all. 

Meanwhile, China and to a lesser extent, Russia, can just sit back and watch as the US pours billions down the drain on their 77 year passion project while they expand their GDP.

There's a reason Trump is trying to stop them from attacking, but as with past presidents, Neytanyahu knows the US will find their war plans no matter what.

Videogamesarereel

After occupying Afghanistan for 20 years, they were driven out by a group of guerrillas armed with AK-47s and wearing flip-flops, yet they still harbour delusions of occupying Iran and even confronting China and Russia.

SnooStories8432

Are you guys mentally well? Why would this be a good thing

Virgo9721

Do you not realize how absolutely psychotic this is?

Lev_Davidovich

Then all their refugees will be spread all over the west and dismantle the west from the inside. And they'll be very angry.

spillirks

That’s exactly what you people said on Iraq.

AliMans05

Me an iranian I am here say that your view is absolutely right. I am living in Tehran and I saw and heard missiles all night but when we hear Israel is killing regime generals and atomic scientists we love it and we are hopeful that this may lead to regime change , we are asking ourselves why aren't they shooting the khamenei or SedaSima(national broadcasting channel propaganda) we love it just hope they do it with the least number of civilian casualties

Global_Assistance750

Attacking Iran is the correct decision for who? No doubt you have counted the endless terrorism that will result from this action in your calculation and who knows how many innocent lives will be lost as a result of this action all around the world, but that’s fine.

Ornery-Ticket834

What is correct about this attack? 
Destabilizing an entire country for the sake of military strategy when there isn’t a risk of war? 
How about all the people? 
War without any security over the condemned people of the country is outright evil when there is no imminent risk of war. 
OP needs to realize that the Iranian government is a terrorist group that is primarily harming the Iranian people. Any “solution” would have to consider what will happen to the people of the nation and the preservation of their culture, otherwise you are thinking like an ancient tribesman with nothing but bloodshed on your mind.

Timely_Reveal1206

As just about everyone else has already stated, this presents MANY ethical/moral/legal problems. However, even looking at this from a purely pragmatic point of view you are still very wrong. 

Taking out Iran would likely destabilize the middle east, and the last few times this happened, it didn't turn out well for the West (Arab spring, Iranian revolution, etc). 

The most likely beneficiary of the type of conflict you so eagerly advocate for would not be America or Israel, but Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are Iran's biggest rival for control and influence over the Muslim world. Moreover, Saudi Arabia and Iran are the chief nations in the Sunni/Shia divide. The Saudis and Iran are such bitter rivals that the Saudis have approved of Arab nations normalizing relations with Israel and have even formed an alliance with Israel for the sole purpose of opposing Iran.

Taking out Iran would not only remove any reason for Arab nations to normalize relations with Israel, it would also place Saudi Arabia in a position of undisputed power and influence  throughout the Muslim world. This would likely lead to an almost entirely united front against Israel. And that is without considering the damage it would do to our soft power, and how it galvanize Muslim opinion against the West. Even when the US invaded Iraq to protect Kuwait, the US was seen as the bullying adventurist by the Muslim world.

You have a child's idea of international relations. This is not HoI4. Going to war with Iran would result in tens or hundreds of thousands of pointless deaths and would primarily serve to benefit our enemies.

fb00ne

'Freeing Iran from Islam' might have the exact opposite effect you are after.


Iran has always been a regional power, often more than that.   Holding them back is a corrupt Islamic govt.  Remove that they return to the dominant power in the region.


Look at Russia, 3 different govts over the last 100 yrs, always returns to the same nasty expansionist ways. 

Rude_Egg_6204

What in WW3 is this post?

Iran has a massive drone force. 

You see how Russia is getting slaughtered in Ukraine, that's what would happen to USA/Israel forces.

whater39

Iran is not Syria Iran is like no other countries in Middle East. Iranian people want their country and their rights back.they want Pahlavi their own identity. Not terrorist and fucking mullahs who are not related to our civilization to our culture to our beautiful country. And the ones who brought them should help to remove them.not only for sake of Iran but also for the world

Unique-Strategy-9572

Why would the US have a goal to control the Middle East when we have our own large successful country to control?

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SnooHedgehogs1029

Israel doesn't have to strike Iran then maybe Iran wouldn't retaliate. WORLD PEACE ✌️

AlextheLion02

You assume the Iranian government will be defeated. I don't think it will. And certainly it wouldn't be defeated easily. Iran is a highly mountainous country with an enormous military and decades of propaganda against the invaders you are discussing. A totally unprovoked invasion is going to lead to a whole-of-country level of resistance that will make conquest virtually impossible. 




Simply getting US soldiers over the mountains to Tehran would be a massive and bloody challenge with constant irregular attacks in the rear. And forget trying to take a city of that size with like a paratrooper unit. You'll get all your soldiers killed that way. (See the Russian VDV trying that in Kyiv a few years ago and getting entire units wiped out). 


A war to conquer a huge country like Iran, with absolutely no pretext that anyone in Iran gives a shit about is going to be a bloody quagmire in the mountains.


You say not being bound by moral constraints, so let's say you're willing to do something straight up genocidal like nuking Tehran. That will be a big blow to the central government for sure, but it will also irredeemably make you hated by every person who remains alive there. You will be in guerrilla warfare forever. 

huadpe

So you think it is a good idea to create an existential threat against Iran and Russia and China? And how is that cheaper or more desirable than diplomacy and economic cooperation?!

phdpessimist

It is such a strange political fantasy. Iran is currently just a leadership that the people hate. Topple the regime and you will have a modern, educated and progressive country.

One-Strength-1978

I'm fascinated by the idea of direct administration of Iran as a colony without any democracy, nation building, or coalitions. Insurgents would love it. The cost of Iraq and Afghanistan would be multiplied beyond belief.

I'm guessing you're under 25.

ekpyroticflow

 Fuelled by Israel and the United States, western media has shown a negative bias towards middle eastern countries in general, and Iran specifically, for the last couple of decades.  The country has been labelled as fanatical, corrupt and although a singular, relatively insular country in it’s politics, we are supposed to see Iran as a global threat and be fearful of the fact that it is developing nuclear missiles.  Without any evidence, we are led to believe by the press that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.  On the other hand, Israel, who has nuclear weapons, is never questioned.  The fact that Israel has nuclear missiles is never mentioned or even questioned from within the Western Press.

 This means that the Western Press can easily go along with Netanyahu’s distorted monologues, when he reframes the attack on a country that has posed no threat to Israel at all, just as when Israel bombed Syria, and Lebanon, These attacks are self-justified as a pre-emptive strike, with no evidence.  According to Peter Jenning in an editorial in the Australian, it is in Australia’s interest that Netanyahu succeeds.  Netanyahu wants, not only to destroy Iran’s unsubstantiated nuclear missile program, but he has now stated that Israel wants a total regime change in Iran.  It seems that this was also a deliberate ploy to stop talks between Iran and America about Iran’s nuclear industry, to which Iran had previously agreed, causing America to change the goal posts.  Iranian government states that Iran’s nuclear Industry would take a few years to destroy. Iranian journalists view rumours of regime change coming from Netanyahu as yet another lie and political ploy

Western media has long practiced what is called Israeli exceptionalism, although Iran has specific policies around not developing nuclear weapons, Israel is allowed to use nuclear weapons as a deterrent and is not questioned about it. As the war on Gaza continues and 100’s of starving Gazans are injured and killed whilst trying to get American food aid, it doesn’t seem like we can expect any kind of truth from the Western Media any time soon.  Especially while targets the communication infrastructure in Gaza, cutting off the internet, leaving aid companies isolated in Gaza unable to communicate. 

 

Flimsy-Tomorrow-2933

Tsk tsk, its really easy for those who aren't there to say they want to attack.

Some of us prefer to have chill deployments!

T-34Panzer

This is Bibi getting the US into another Mideast war.  They need to distract from the bloodlust in Gaza.  With friends like Israel who needs enemies.

No-Measurement4639

Here’s the thing, being prison boss is great, until you start to lose and then everyone is waiting to put the boot in

Major_Bad_thoughts

Right OP...tell us...what imminent threat is Israel defending right now... Go on...

Jungloveshismum

This is repugnant. Who is this person and how can they be in the same planet as us? This has to be a bot?

Disastrous-Crow-1634

Discounting the very real deterrence Iran has vs such an existential attack. Would destroy the works economy for several months/years.

Puzzleheaded-End3692

This time IRAN will do the Libya style to MS BIBI. If they provoke, dont complain about ANTI SEMI etc. 

Radiant_Golf_4221

A preemptive strike by Israel is a violation of international law. The Japanese government strongly condemns Israel's actions.

satousuzuki

How is Israel getting funds to sustain the wars and economy ? Especially noting, Gaza conflict running  in parallel..

Familiar_Location_18

But why, really? What’s so vital about preserving a world under US hegemony? Is it because Americans are the perfect leaders? Because the world is somehow more peaceful under their watch? Or is it simply because the US economy can’t function anymore unless it’s at war? So, who is next after Iran, Russia, China, and Pakistan are gone? 

And even if they wanted to, do they have the resources to fight a long war? Are ordinary Americans, already stretched thin, ready to sacrifice even more for a war that won’t benefit them? There’s an entire generation turning to drugs just to escape the harsh reality of their economy and society, even when they know it’s killing them.

How much longer can the US expect its NATO allies to commit time, money, and lives to causes that mostly serve elite interests and mega-corporations? Why would they keep doing that?

If the US insists on dragging the world into chaos, does it think the world will cheer it on? Or will other nations finally come together and decide that letting one country fall is better than everyone burning together?

What amazes me most is the sheer arrogance. The American elite are always quick to do unto others what they would never accept being done to themselves.

ZoziBG

Nope.  This isn't America's war to fight.  If Israel wants to bomb Iran they should do it with their own troops and money.

Pristine-Ant-464

Maybe Trump shouldn't have incompetently broken the deal.

Kakamile

I'm hoping you were born after 2003, because if you weren't I don't know where you've been. Remember Iraq and Afghanistan those little disasters that cost 7 trillion dollars, accomplished nothing and killed millions of people. Those were against tiny militaries with very little offensive capabilities. Iran is Afghanistan but with an actual military force with missiles and drones that can target things like the strait of hormuz and block 30% of the worlds oil traffic. Raising gas prices from the current 67$ a barrel to $350 a barrel. Or they could attack Saudi Oil facilities, or they could simply saturate Israel with missiles, the systems work but if there are 5 missiles and 4 interceptors even if the 4 have perfect accuracy one is going to hit. There will be zero chance the Us will be able to actually occupy Iran so you will have stirred up a hornets nest, unleashed a bombing war that will destroy billions of dollars of industry and cost tens of thousands of lives for nothing, its not 1935, any country that wants a nuclear program can get one. Its why North Korea a country with no electricity has a nuclear weapons program. Iran doesn't have weapons because its using it as a political bargaining chip not because it can't make them regardless of what the US does to their facilities.

 Israel isn't shackled by any moral constraints and it can't take over gaza a flat strip of land that they completely control, you think the US is going to going to defeat a force which has been preparing for this war for 60 years in one of the harshest terrains on earth good luck

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