Public sentiment towards Trump's tariffs is predominantly negative, with widespread concerns about rising prices, economic repercussions, and geopolitical fallout. Many commenters call for India to assert its independence in trade, while expressing frustration over U.S. bullying tactics. Despite the negativity, some display cautious optimism about India's resilience and potential for self-sufficiency amidst challenges.

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Breaking news: Trump signs executive order making it illegal for tourists to not visit the USA

Live-Bottle5853

Blackfire86

I work in a hotel and I can tell you now we had about 30% cancelled booking already here.

[deleted]

Turns out being top in the world is predecated on having good enough relationships that others don't mind you being top in the world.  Fracture those relationships, and things start to fall

NovusMagister

I can fly from Canada to Ireland in August for $650 or go to the US (west coast) for $550. Hmmmmm.

LengthClean

All displaced hospitality workers will be housed at Mar a Lago.

Practically_Hip

Well no shit. Fucking keeping tourists locked up for weeks over minor issues and mistakes.

Glidepath22

Oh noooo, but when Trump said Americans didn't need Canadians, many believed that.

TaroShake

A lot of money that used to funnel to the US is going to dry up the next few years. Not surprising when they’re hostile to their neighbours and threaten invasion on a daily basis.

On the plus side Canadian and European relations should be stronger! Even Asian relations are getting a boost.

Narradisall

Floridians will still vote for Trump despite demonising Disney and now cutting off their largest revnue stream. Really hard to feel sorry for this American masochism. 

Snoo87653

xbox_suc

We are really watching the fall of the Us in real time, are we not? The more i read the news the more i am convinced we are headed this way

ilorybss

Yes, the decline of Canadian travellers is staggering; however, what's the overall tourism market like? I think that would help in understanding what is going on.

hekatonkhairez

i dont care about boycotting anything but i do care about risking a vacation going very wrong because some idiot is feeling "patriotic" and finds my passport "suspicious" or some shit.

there are plenty of other countries, i can go to the US again when they sort their shit out

Kanye_Is_Underrated

No shit, no one wants to go to a country that you might get detained and put in a camp because you have Trump memes om your phone.

Country went full fascist hellhole.

gentian_red

Yeah, I think shorts are better, unless buying various gold, mining and metals as I think all tourism spending is going to drop significantly. This clown is also going to take the shine off the USA for far longer than he is effectively ruining us.

Particular_Heat2703

I think many Canadians are not going back to USA for a very long time

  
Canadians are upset with Trump... But frankly horrified by people who enable him or support him no matter what

Rivercitybruin

Donald and Elon attacking their best customers, and taking care of their worst. I don’t get it.

Did Elon not notice how few Teslas were in the “freedom” convoy?

Did Trump not notice how few Russians are vacationing in the U.S.?

Necessary_Fee_2102

MAKE AMERICA COLLAPSE ! Go president trump you are so good at it!

TheDesignerofmylife

I think it’s safe to assume that tourism is toast for now.  Trump has made enemies of our allies.  I don’t blame them for not wanting to vacation in the USA under the current situation.

Riversmooth

Very quickly entering the “find out” stage

StaticR0ute

Luckily Trump knows that Canada doesn't provide anything of value so no one will miss us. I'll just be visiting family in Canada thank you very much

SadZealot

OP - watch with air Canada and Westjet shorts.   They are shifting the capacity to Europe and Mexico and other sun destinations.  Canadians still want to travel, we seek winter sun.   We're just not going to the US....air Canada and West jet are silly busy to Mexico.  They've introduced additional capacity to Scotland and Ireland as well.

MooseOnLooseGoose

As a European I will not visit the US again until a peaceful government is in place.

custardBust

Trump: “you know what? I’m gonna tariff even harder”

the_dayman623

diamanthaende

figlu

The "randomly detaining people and putting them in isolation hold (something considered torture in most of the world) for weeks without lawyer access or any due process" is listed last in the list of why people don't travel to the US but honestly that one was the number 1 reason me and my family won't come to the US this year. 

PureImbalance

Victox2001

My girlfriend and I are probably not going to NYC this year, from Europe. We’ll be back when Trump is out.

LordFedorington

I'm not surprised. I often travel to the US for the biggest conference in my field, but I don't think I'll be going this year -- and probably not as long as Trump remains in office. No need to take risks.

Kalagorinor

America is a shithole. Why visit when theres tons of better places around the world?

Apollosfury

AlteredCabron2

Heavy_Cupcake_6246

crazzme

Wow! Who could have guessed the sane thinking people didn’t want to visit naziland?

RiffyWammel

We wanted to make a Caribbean cruise in 2026 or 2027, but we will avoid every route that stops in the US.

manere

As an American at least I'll find some good deals

ShakeAndBakeThatCake

MAGA: “WE WANT ISOLATIONISM!”

Rest of the World: “Can do buddy.”

Just got back from a two week trip to several European countries for work (I am from the US, fwiw). I landed in LAX and customs, border control, took all of 5 minutes. There were practically no lines and everyone in line was from the airplane we just de-boarded. There were only two baggage carousels with any luggage. This is in the middle of the day. I travel a lot for work and this is unprecedented, it’s usually at least a 30 min wait. People don’t realize how much pain is coming and how much has begun already.

Sean_Miller

We're crossing the line here from "hey guys, don't travel to the US and spend your money elsewhere" into "it is not safe for foreigners to enter the US, you may not make it home without being detained" and at that point it's not a boycott, i don't think. It's something else.

Parking_Low248

&gt; Historically, tariffs have resulted in increased prices for the implementing country since they effectively are a tax on consumption. Are Trump's tariffs likely to repeat this pattern?

Yes! See other topics even currently on the AE frontpage.

&gt; If so, what other economic concerns might be motivating voters who cited "the economy" as a major concern but voted for a candidate whose policies will likely harm the economy by increasing prices?

Voters' concern about the economy does not mean that they have a well-considered, elaborate, and fact-based policy preference. In other words, just because this would be a bad plan does not mean that people understand it would be a bad plan.

DutchPhenom

&gt;Are Trump's tariffs likely to repeat this pattern?

There's no reason to think that these tariffs would differ in direction of effect from other tariffs. If they're actually placed at 10-20% broad based we're probably looking at a 1930s Great Depression that would make the GFC look like a stubbed toe. 

&gt;If so, what other economic concerns might be motivating voters who cited "the economy" as a major concern but voted for a candidate whose policies will likely harm the economy by increasing prices?

Voters *hate* inflation. When inflation occurs, they reject the political party that the inflation occurred under, regardless of the cause, or regardless of what the proposed fixes are. Trump ran on making groceries cheaper. I've seen nothing proposed that would impact grocery prices in a downwards position. This is a global phenomenon at present, with incumbent parties losing power.

No_March_5371

This video by Wall Street journal on how Trump's Tarrifs didn't work the first time is a great example of what's to come. Prices of everything went up. 


https://youtu.be/_-eHOSq3oqI?si=3cgxPXvfsowIljkY

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Can happen pretty easily in the next few weeks and the right-wing media propaganda machine will be able to convince its entire voter base that the tariffs were a success, not a humiliation, and that we are winning again.

Markets will immediately soar when the tariffs are rolled back, and consumer price increases would be unlikely to stick.

If the current tariffs stay in place for more than 3-6 months, you are probably going to be correct.

finallyransub17

Why would ratings be important to a man who is not running for reelection - whether he won’t present himself because he did two terms, or runs for it but thus not caring about the law anymore - at which point ratings are a “moo point” as Joey would say

Mr-Bushido-

Way too many people like you only focus on the stock market. Here's the thing, a ton of people aren't that invested in it and only see the stock market as a tool for the rich to get richer. It coming back down from the crazy evaluation of the past years is not seen as a bad thing by many.

EdliA

I'm so confused by these grandiose claims. "End of his presidency?" It's like the YouTube videos I see claiming that "Fox News ABANDONS Trump after markets PLUMMET."

I'm not sure if it's clickbait or genuine wishful thinking, but I have yet to see a shred of evidence that anything Trump has done has even come close to shaking his base, or loosening his domination of the Republican party. And to be clear, what it would take for the "end of his presidency" is an absolute mutiny within the party. I mean dozens of Republican elected officials going from "I have absolute faith in the president" to "I'm going to vote to impeach the president." I don't see if happening.

Your average Trump supporter sees their 401k dwindling to nothing, and slurps up every word when Trump says it'll all be back, and then some, in a few months. And when it doesn't, they'll slurp up whatever he says about it all being part of his plan, or just the Democrats fault.

At this point I think he could nuke Portland or Los Angeles, say there was a leftist insurgency growing there, and he'd still retain overwhelming Republican support.

Fuu-nyon

Unless he is impeached and removed, or resigns because of it then no it won't be the end of his Presidency. A lame duck President is still a President.

Ill-Description3096

Although I believe there is some chance that you may be right, and that we may see a shift in the mid terms, I have two reasons why there is a very strong possibility why you are wrong:

1. Trump spoke about his tariff policies for countless months leading up to the 2024 election cycle. Literally nothing he is doing is anything that he didn't say he would do. Anyone who is politically informed, on either side, will not be surprised about any of this. Indeed, many conservatives are cheering on protectionism as it sinks their personal wealth into the ground. That is the mass-narrative: that tariffs are a temporary pain and a long-term gain. They also simply don't care. They care much more about culture war and immigration (which is an extension of culture war) than the personal impact of the economy. As long as they can cheer on these illegal and barbaric deportations of people they have convinced themselves are criminals, and as long as they can cheer on what they think is someone fighting back against the "Great replacement", they will endure economic hardship willingly. These are all things Trump promises them, and none of this has changed.
2. The promise of a better economy in the future is akin to Biblical prophecy: it is not time-specific. The idea that the economy "will get better" is unfalsifiable because it is in some nonspecific time in the future. When will it get better? 1 year? 5 years? 50 years? Nobody knows, because the GOP has not committed to a time-frame. This means that as the economy crashes and burns, supporters can happily continue to hold on to the promise of a brighter future. This is how Biblical prophecy also works, and it is the "biblical" mindset that is a strong Trump supporter. Ezekiel prophecies war in Israel. Many evangelists are of the opinion that current events are vindication of the book, but even if the current situation is resolved peacefully without fire and brimstone (as the book claims), the can will simply be kicked down the road. "Oh it must be in the future instead of now". Simply put, they can rationalize being wrong with "I'm right, but we just have to wait for it".

Conservatives fear the establishment and what they see as a corrupt and inept Democratic party. Despite what is happening now, many of them are still saying "Kamala would have been worse". They will continue to say that as the economy continues to crash, and the promised land will always be *just around the corner.*

If by some miracle we have a free and fair election in 2028 that results in Trump getting ousted, many voters will still be clinging onto that promise of a bright future, and will immediately begin to claim that Democrats getting into power has destroyed that brighter potential.

If you've been following politics for the past 5-ish years, you'll know that MAGA is pretty much for all intents and purposes as cult. No criticism is allowed. Trump can do no wrong. His policies are always a promise of a better future through temporary short-term hardship.

I don't think it's enough yet.

RathaelEngineering

No the tariffs are not an overreach. The Soviet Union has been gone for 30+ years. 

We formed alliances like NATO, entered these bad trade agreements on paper, and started having military bases in all these countries to win the Cold War. 

It doesn’t make any sense to keep doing this when Chinas economy isn’t looking too stable anymore, and Russia is no longer the threat it was in the Soviet Era. The Russia Ukraine war has turned into another “Global War on Terror”. 

They are fighting with 1970s technology especially on their guns. Russia would seriously be strained fighting ONE European NATO member let alone the whole western bloc at this point. 

There is literally no reason for us to keep spending this money or having our domestic markets crapped on in a normal trade sense. Especially when we usually wind up funding the next terrorist or militant group we have to fight any way because all those weapons wind up on the black market. Then our own allies don’t even bother paying their fair share in defense budgets. So then we have to pump even more weapons in these flash points like Central Asia or Eastern Europe. It’s become a really repetitive cycle.

MLG_Boogaloo

I absolutely disagree with this. Because you are treating Trump and Trump supporters like a regular American president with regular supporters, *and they are not*.

Trump has cultivated a cult of personality. For his true followers **he can do no wrong**, ever. For them any bad thing that happens in the world can be explained very easily by a new conspiracy theory of the radical left deep state establishment working in the shadows to undermine Trump. While anything good that happens in the world is directly the result of Trump. 

This will not change no matter what new "facts" you throw into the ring because facts never featured in the reasoning of why people voted for Trump. 

Sure, he might lose some of the less ardent supporters who voted for him but aren't entirely inside of his cult. But these people are gonna remain irrelevant. Trump has all the power he needs and a solidly committed hard core following. These people will defend Trump for the next three generations. No matter what he does. They have been doing it since the day "grab them by the pussy" came out. A statement that was enough to end the career of any politician on the spot. They have continued to defend him despite a literal attempt to violently overthrow the election results. They have continued to do so despite all the lawsuits. Whatever facts you are seeing, they aren't. They're seeing a completely parallel reality where it is *your* information that is manipulated and *you* are the one who is brainwashed by woke liberals. 

Your statement falls under a plethora of content that deserves its own genre at this stage. The Trump demise wishful thinking genre. People have been using this wishful thinking since he started running for president the first time. They keep expecting *this thing now* to finally end him, nope, ok, well surely *this other thing* is outrageous enough that no politician will survive it... And like that the deeper he controls power the more recurrent these wishful thinking theories get. And you are at the height of it now. You are using the wrong yardstick to measure this man's career. None of your previous references are relevant. Welcome to authoritarian rule. Stop wishing it's gonna end by itself. It never does.

UruquianLilac

Trump will NEVER admit defeat, even after imploding the economy through his sheer, unbridled, inexplicable stupidity.  Evidence, facts, history - none of these things will EVER shake his entirely unjustified belief that he alone knows what is best.  If the economy tanks (even more), he’ll just declare victory and keep on going.  Reality is irrelevant.  Congress is terrified of him, and until right wing media starts losing advertisers, they’re going to keep functioning as state media apologists.  And his followers function more like a cult than a political party.  When any prophesied deliverance fails to take place, they’ll just say that it was the “little men” who failed his great vision - just like a certain German dictator.

Enjoy-the-sauce

I had this page open in my browser, boy did sentiment change.  Record amounts of tariff revenue, all time highs in stock market — hope you didn’t sell everything because you were scared of Trump!

The US was treated so poorly internationally that US citizens started to think it had to be this way.

I am not a fan of the big spending bill, but just like making snap judgments in this case — I will wait to see how it shakes out.

JaySone

&gt;and they will know who to blame.

I think this is the weak point of their view. They haven't known so far and there is active deflection to make sure they don't - why do you take this as fact?

AleristheSeeker

You put too much stock in his core base to look at things objectively. Also you concede the effects won't happen for a few weeks which gives enough time in the news cycle to point to some other issue or the impending retaliation from other nations (remember you are dealing with people with very short term memory). A simple example is Fox hiding the stock ticker (kinda hard to spin when there is a massive list of big bad down arrows and red numbers under the anchors).

 As for Republicans growing a pair you have to ignore that US elections are controlled by money since citizens united, despite the various issues he has caused Trump isn't going to be tossing Mr. Musk aside anytime soon and his quantities of money can swing an election just by itself. Sure Wisconsin was a vote against him but I wouldn't bet that all the states feel the same way. Until there is a serious chance of a significant percentage of the Republican base would actually vote against them the Republicans won't move their position. Trump is the result of years if not decades of their policies, he is not an outlier this is what Republicans want enacted.

As for Trump rolling back, to a certain point there is already a sunk-cost thought process behind this, markets and allies have already been spooked, military alliances like NATO are already planning for the US to not be present or even possibly work against them. So as flawed as the initial logic might be would rolling back actually help or possibly make it worse (in the Trump administration's perspective)? I would argue that continuing on the current path gives them the possibility of being correct vs admitting defeat and opening themselves up to ridicule at minimum (up to lawsuits and impeachment). In the short to medium term they can blame any failure on some external factor that his base would more than likely believe.

Edit:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4nr3230e7o - "Trump may be wrong, but at least he's trying." - applicable to how most of his base thinks and what will cause them to stop supporting him.

dmlmcken

I’ve posted this in a few places basically repeating your sentiments.

It would not surprise me if he’s done this on purpose to “crash” the stock prices, and him and his cronies are buying up stock at the low price. When he thinks the market has bottomed, he’ll cancel all the tariffs, quoting “successful negotiations” and make a fortune when the market rebounds. They’ve probably all bought a load of gold over the last few weeks as well, and they’ll sell all of that just before the tariffs are cancelled. Or am I just being sceptical?

BigBlueMountainStar

How can you believe that when his entire political career has been filled with stuff that should have been career-ending, and yet he is still in power, and doing more and more horrible things without any repercussions? Why do you think that this time will be any different?

not_falling_down

He committed treason and 34 felonies and was reelected there's literally nothing that will end his presidency besides him dropping dead

DatBeardedguy82

So many people want to be rid of Trump, but no one wants to actually be the first to act to show him the door, because when someone does, everyone else who is terrified and wants to stay in his good graces can score easy brownie points by dogpiling on that person.  This is more or less what has kept Trump alive the entire time he's been in politics: everyone wants to benefit from his political demise but no one wants to be the one who actually tries to bring it about, so it never happens. 

It's always possible for something to happen, given that when this sort of thing does happen, it happens all at once.  But it's also entirely possible for everyone to just try to keep their heads down while waiting for someone else to get rid of him, such that no one ever actually does.

GabuEx

Here is an original thought, what if he does
Nothing and the tariffs end up working? Genuinely curious as to why no one here will even admit that this could work.

Helpful-Debt-332

tariffs dont cause inflation. only one thing causes inflation: printing money. Will they? thats a separate issue

33ITM420

I think it’ll be #2. The Republicans, especially those up for election next year, are going to be scrambling here soon. This economic disaster is on their doorstep and no amount of blame shifting or lying can cover the stink of this one.

Plati23

The stock market is the plaything of the upper middle and wealthy classes.  Way more Americans have nothing to do with non existent 401ks.  Trump is playing to this majority.  Get out if your bubble.

SimionMcBitchticuffs

The stock market shot up now that the EU, Vietnam, India and many other countries are removing their tariffs on the US.

e_rovirosa

Trump's supporters aren't interested in much beyond what they're told by Trump. He will be able to spin it by cherry picking statistics.


An obvious way that appeals to my left wing European brain is that fuck the rich people losing percentages of their wealth through stock markets being lower. If factories are being built and the poorer people in America are seeing more jobs as a result then that's a win. 


Obviously when considering the bigger picture this is incredibly short sighted and ruining the economy is probably bad for all people even if you did get a job out of it. 


The point is that he'll only need a handful of working class people singing about their improved prospects to be able to spin this as positive.

ethical_arsonist

Regarding your title statement: this won’t be the end of his presidency, neither figuratively nor literally. His second term has barely started, and no matter how bad and messy it’s been so far (and likely will continue to be), this is still a 4-year term. Trump is not someone who is known for backing down, so his presidency and everything that comes with it will be a full ride unless he literally dies first.

0llie0llie

Option 3: he declares martial law. Im very scared Option 3 is the most likely option.

julienjpm

I think people will love the tariffs.

I have heard a lot of moaning from around the world, about the recently applied trade tariffs.    
But what people seem to forget is - America and Americans simply need to be richer.

Sure, we brag all the time that people would rather live here than in their own country.  Sure, we puff our chests about how great out nation is. How well off we are.  How we are such a great nation, the envy of the world, self sufficient and well off. 

Buuuuut - it's easy to forget that some households only have one swimming pool.  It slips our mind that there are Ohioan housewives with barely a hundred pairs of shoes.   Families who can barely manage 2 overseas vacations a year.  Electricity, running water, a gas supply, tarmac roads, a legal and judicial system......all these things that we brag that other nations don't have, and that we take for granted, are American Rights; they aren't privileges, in the way some suggest they should be viewed.   
And we need more.
Bigger, better, louder, faster.....more.    
It is the god given right of every American to have oversized vehicles, more food than they could possibly consume, and a wide choice of footwear for every occasion.   
Liberal bleating about other nations being hungry, or getting dysentery from poor water - woke nonsense.   We need to tariff them before they fully develop their own economies and lose their third world status - otherwise who will we smirk at and look down on?

We want dominance, not equal status.  We want power, and control, and if we allow the likes of Africa and SE Asia to start feeding themselves properly, how will we fund our right to excess. 

Say what you like about DT, but he is ensuring America gets exactly what it wants.    

More.



(and I hope my /s is implicit)

With tarriffs, but not with selling people to El Salvador? Or kidnapping critics?


The fucking tariffs are the least horrific thing happening 

DPRDonuts

… Americans re-elected him after he was convicted of fraud, and previously staged a coup, and previously bungled the pandemic. Meanwhile, he is actively threatening Greenland (through Denmark a NATO ally) and until last week made daily comments that my country, Canada, shouldn’t even exist. And barely a peep from Congress or American voters.

Watching from the sidelines up north, I have NO confidence that American voters or their representatives will “grow a pair.” I hope to be proven wrong.

Nooo8ooooo

Why would either of those two options cost him his chokehold on the party?

His chokehold on the party is predicated on him keeping his base support which he has not lost since he started this shit 10 years ago, while his approval has never been high, he has always held a high floor, and that's with him being the most polarizing president in forever.

He will not llose that support in either cases.

If he rolls the tariffs back, he'll just make up a story of how he either got what he wanted ro he's being merciful.

If he gets blocked, that won't affect his support, which will mean the party will still be in his hands.

justletmeregisteryou

Not really? 

Trump had already talked about sweeping tariffs against every nation. He teased this before his Presidency, talking about having 60% tariffs on all Chinese product, 100% tariffs on Mexican product, and 20% on all other imports in September. In comparison, this is actually a watered-down response. 

Do I agree with it? Absolutely fucking not, because my brain works. 

But the people that voted for Trump and Trumpenomics clearly either did not care, or were severely misinformed by Fox about what tariffs even were. They were aware that this was coming. They wanted the extreme, for reasons unknown to me.

Trump will find a way to spin the economic turmoil into that of success, and his base will continue to eat it up. As long as there's still extremist support of Trump, as long as Fox News continues to spin Trumpism, as long as there's still a burning blind hatred on the right for anything related to the Bidens, Hillary or Obama, I don't think much changes. Trump sycophants are not normal people, you cannot apply normal working logic on them.

FestusPowerLoL

Are you an expert on trade agreements. A phd in economics. Written  a paper on tariffs. 
No? Be quiet!!!

Vietnam and Cambodia have asked to meet with Trump to negotiate bringing the US tariff down to zero.

These negotiations will include

- reducing their tariffs against US goods imported into their countries. 

- buying more US products, change US trade deficit from a negative to a positive for the US. 

If these negotiations succeed, then 

- the US would eliminate its tariffs against these countries. Prices for their products imported into the US would return to before the tariff. 

- selling more US products to these countries should increase US jobs and income. 

Trump using tariff's to force renegotating  trade relationships to eliminate Trump's tariffs makes Trump's tariff's different from past tariffs, I think. 

A few successful negotiations would  demonstrate to Americans how Trump's tariffs might make things better in the long run. 

This would change public opinion at least for the short term until we experience long term negative effects of his tariffs. 

BTW, I have never voted for Trump because he wants to be an absolute monarch/king where his word is law. I want to live in a constitutional republic were laws are created by representatives. And Trump is a conman who is creating  the most corrupt administration in American history.

plainskeptic2023

Wall Street will certainly make moves to reign him in.  They don't like losing trillions of dollars

drewskie_drewskie

His fans will never blame him for any negative consequences. They will say he inherited a disaster and it’s Biden’s fault. Then they will say he is consolidating the economy for long term greatness. When he is gone and the economy is still screwed, they will blame his successor for not giving his policies a chance to work. They will never, ever admit they made a mistake. If they were willing to do that, we wouldn’t have a second Trump presidency.

The senate is already growing a pair https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-vote-rebuke-trump-tariffs-canada-rcna199336

Call your elected officials, folks.

ShutYourDumbUglyFace

What?!  I was told these tariffs were liberating America and leading to a golden age of prosperity.  Are you saying that’s not actually what’s happening?  😮

Commercial_Tough160

I cannot believe Trump's got a degree in ECONOMICS from U Penn! &amp; yet doesn't understand what tariffs are. 

STOP SAYING "TARIFFS AGAINST COUNTRY X" - THEY'RE SIMPLY TAXES AGAINST AMERICANS !

"I'm gonna show China by making my American people poorer! Ha! Take that, China!"

China doesn't pay tariffs. Mexico &amp; Canada don't pay tariffs. AMERICANS PAY TARIFFS as IMPORT TAXES to a government Trump claims to want to reduce. How does all this tariff administration with MORE federal funding DECREASE government?!? ... all while sending 1000s more to the unemployment queues, raising unemployment rates, while job creation is DOWN due to uncertainty &amp; tariffs make USD dollars worth less.

Trump's just making Americans poorer
Americans' QUALITY OF LIFE DECREASES no matter what. 
American SPENDING POWER DECREASES in every scenario.  

1. decide to pay much more today for the same goods they were consuming yesterday, reducing the value of their money &amp; therefore labour

2. are unable to purchase as many goods today as yesterday, decreasing their quality of life

 LARGE SCALE COMMODITY MANUFACTURING/GRUNT WORK ASSEMBLY IS NEVER RETURNING TO USA. It would be a step BACKWARDS anyway. 

LET'S ASSUME TRUMP GETS WHAT HE WANTS:

3. Assume a fictitious imaginary Trump idyllic scenario, where 1000s of factories could be built overnight for $0, without disturbing the economy, without causing a recession &amp; could undo overnight 70 years of shifted manufacturing culture. 

Assuming USA could begin tomorrow, manufacturing large-scale industry, including somehow sourcing all the raw materials needed, it would need to un-train workers today who haven't performed unskilled labour for a few generations &amp; re-train them to perform more grunt work vs thé knowledge work culture they've become accustomed to. 

And American unskilled labourers would be VERY EXPENSIVE , the whole reason such grunt work was sent abroad in the first place. Americans would not even legally be able to work for the same wages as unskilled labour abroad. They also couldn't survive on meager minimum wages &amp; would require far higher wages to entice them to give up knowledge-based work for unskilled assembly line work. They'd probably end up earning less either way. The additional labour costs would almost certainly amount to even more than these absurd import tariffs.

PRICES WOULD INCREASE ALL THE SAME! Americans would become poorer, doing less challenging &amp; lower-paid work to buy fewer goods at a lower quality of life because everything is more expensive. 

Even in a best-case scenario, which would take decades to implement, would be exceedingly expensive &amp; imply all sorts of not credible assumptions, this doesn't work &amp; leaves Americans poorer. The ripple effect would leave the entire interconnected global market thrown into chaos &amp; everyone poorer worldwide, like what we witnessed in The Great Recession...at best. 

NO SENSE AT ALL. HE DOESN'T EVEN LISTEN TO HIS OWN EXPERTS. HE KNOWS BETTER THAN THEY ABOUT EVERYTHING... NOT the sign of competent leadership!

Different_Mud_1264

The tariffs are essentially misunderstood by nearly everyone.

Trump doesn't know how bad they are, and almost everyone doesn't know why he is doing them.

Trump is trying to create a new World Trade Organization, but one that is explicitly run by him personally out of the white house.

One of the major driving factors of American wealth is that the dollar is essentially the world's reserve currency.  Other currencies are measured against the dollar, and most international exchanges require participation in an American influenced banking system.  America controls the world's money supply.  As American economic power wanes, this is slowly starting to matter less, but it would likely still be true for another 20 years if Trump never got into politics.

Trump is trying to reindustrialize the US.  By making international trade more difficult, he wants to reemphasize American manufacturing.  At the same time he wants to leverage our status as the world's reserve currency to simultaneously maintain our reserve currency status and build manufacturing at home.

The problem is that less econimc activity with the US reduces the need to us the dollar as a reserve currency.  If they don't have access to our markets, the leverage to force them to cooperate goes down.  If global trade is disrupted long enough, they will find new markets, de-dollarize, and American economic supremacy will have ended.

There's another leg in this stool: the US Navy.  For decades the US has protected shipping worldwide as a guarantor of global trade.  This has been leverage to push countries to adopt and participate in our economic system.  When you see the news about China and the US posturing over the South China Sea and Taiwan, this is about who will control the future of global shipping.

All of this is a global system put in place by the US post-WW2.  Trump is intentionally tearing this down and trying to remake it in a way that he thinks he can control.  The goal is a stricter and stronger control where the US doesn't just benefit indirectly by having a perpetual wealth edge on the world, but one where other countries now directly pay tribute to the US.

Many people thought Trump would back off the tariffs, because they believed he was short-sighted and dumb (he is), but failed to realize this is actually an ideologically driven plan that Trump is fully invested in.  He doesn't care that there's short term pain.

His plan will only work if large countries (or groups like the EU) capitulate and give up some of their sovereignty to him.  It will fail if countries like Brazil, India, China, and the EU refuse.  Russia would normally be included, but I left it off since he imposed no tariff on Russia.

Of course this plan is also likely to cause a second Great Depression.

Irontruth

I hope this happens. There are some breakdowns of what he might be trying to achieve on the web, but they're all things that are impossible in the timeframe that could be supported.


I kept an open mind with Brexit, that maybe I was wrong and we might see benefits. I will try with this too, although I would also remind myself that bullies are not reliable partners.

Rice_Daddy

I only need one word to convince you:  Israel.  There is no scenario in the entire multiverse where Trump keeps tariffs in place on Israel for months.  Their economy was already struggling before the tariffs, tariffs will crush them.  This would be an existential crisis.  It will hurt them beyond the BDS movement's wildest dreams.  Israel tried to negotiate out of the tariffs before the tariffs were announced but they still got hit with them, yet countries like Russia and a couple others we exempted.  So ask yourself why a country that has incredible leverage on the US wasn't exempted when Trump deliberately exempted others.  Israel already had low tariffs on US goods.  No one would have questioned if Israel was left out of the tariffs as that would simply be politics as usual.  The reason they weren't exempted is obvious.  Trump wants some concession from Netanyahu on another issue. This isn't idle speculation-  there is a 60+ year track record of US-Israel relations to know the tariffs won't stick for long.  Netanyahu is in DC right now working on a 0% tariff deal.   It probably gets announced in the next week or so (otherwise AIPAC is going to be very,very upset about the effects the tariffs will have on Israel's economy).

And if one country is able to negotiate, then suddenly the whole "tariffs are non-negotiable" narrative being pushed by the idiots in his administration falls apart (the reason they are saying that btw, is that the best way to get a good price is to say you aren't interested in selling.  That's pretty much real estate 101).  Market will respond very well after the 0% tariff agreement with Israel gets announced, as it will be proof positive that the tariffs are negotiable. The main reason the market crashed is the uncertainty as to whether the tariffs are just a negotiating tactic to get countries to lower tariffs on US goods or if they are permanent.     The Israel announcement will answer that question.  Again- and I don't mean this to insult you personally-   a person would have to have an IQ in the single digits to think that Trump will keep 17% tariffs on Israeli products for any length of time.  Just some basic critical thinking is all you need to know that the tariffs are merely a negotiating ploy.

ContentMusician8980

We have soared right past so many things that should have been the end of it all right there, that no one has the attention span to tabulate them all, let alone read it in the context of a comment.  It could serve as a coffee table book.  Remember when a man screaming (granted, oddly) in excitement was pretty well a career killer?  Remember when the statement "I'll never reach 40% of the voters" was SO controversial?

With Trump, we had the mocking of the disabled reporter, grab them by the pussy, and honestly just every speech, every debate, every press conference there was something that was orders of magnitude worse, and it had fuck all effect.

Romney at least acknowledged the existence and worth of the 40% he couldn't reach, he was just remarking that his positions on things weren't going to appeal to them, and there probably wasn't a way to sell those positions to those people in a way that wasn't an outright lie.  Whereas Trump, 80% of his policy decisions are predicated on those decisions actively targeting and provoking people who don't vote for/align with him.  It's not a question of salesmanship, it's punishment pure and simple.

It should never have gotten this far, because he should have been laughed out of the race way back in 2016.  At the minimum, it should have came to an end on January 7th, 2021, because when you do what he did on prime time television, repercussions should be severe and immediate.  But it didn't, because someone right now, probably a collective of someones but that starts to get into tin foil hat territory, is getting what they're paying for.  There is more money than we can fathom that has a vested interest in burning everything down so they can buy the ashes for pennies.

He's going to be fine, as long as his actions continue to serve those interests.  We're fucked, he's fine.

Prestigious-Run-5103

If you pop over to rr/conservative, you see a lot of posts that go, "Man, I love Trump, I think he's my creamy-dreamy one-and-only, I just want to drink a cup of his bathwater, I love literally everything he's doing and hope he keeps doing it as hard as he can, and I would absolutely 100% vote for him again, constitution be fucked, come hell, high water, or hygiene, but I totally can't believe he's doing (awful thing he just did.) I mean, this is just giving ammo to those mean evil demonic pedophile Liberals and their deranged and criminally insane leadership who murder babies and hate America and little puppies and I really kind of wish he wouldn't even though I think it's totally cool that he just did."

When "own the libs" is literally all you care about - and I don't mean in the sense of political narratives, I mean in the sense that it's the only thing that gives you joy in life - nothing he does is seen as a bad thing, even when the blowback hits home. The only thing that worries them about Trump is the possibility that their sole source of joy will be taken away - that Trump will do something dumb enough to turn the whole world against him and get him removed or neutralized as a threat to the prosperity of humanity.

If there is some semblance or shred of Western civilization left by the time we're finally rid of this cockroach, they'll do the same thing they did every time a remarkably resilient populace managed to crawl out of the rubble of his decision-making process - laugh nervously, say, "See, that wasn't that bad, you're still alive, he didn't literally cook and eat everyone we don't like, you were just being a big silly worrywart so we're all totally vindicated and you're wrong forever. ...Friendsies?"

....And I'll look down and answer, "No."

LabradorDeceiver

I think you’re vastly overestimating Americans and the Republican Party. My family members are claiming that Trump is “draining the swamp” and that we have to have short term loss for long term gain. They are also convinced that Trump is “playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers” and will make everyone in America rich. Also the prices going up even before the tariffs was being blamed on Biden, and anything that happens will probably be blamed on Biden.

The Republican Party isn’t going to shy away from Trump. Conservative media will convince people that Trump is actually doing really great and all criticisms are witch hunts. They just leaked war plans and it’s already been forgotten about because Trump and the media convinced people it was a witch-hunt. Some republicans are saying how horrible Trump is doing, but they’re immediately being labeled RINOs and will inevitably do a 180 and say how good Trump is doing. Look at COVID as an example, or the insurrection, or the felonies. 

I would love it if he became a lame duck. I think it’s wishful thinking though. He’s got a lot of power right now and we’re in for a rough ride - this is just the start. And yeah, it’s going to suck hearing people trying to convince you that he’s actually saving the country and doing a great job and that Biden is the reason for all the bad stuff.

New_Intern7243

He’s done so many inconceivable things and yet became President again. What makes you think that this will be the end of it?
Not that I don’t understand the concept of wishful thinking.

nordzeekueste

Hope you're right, but since I can't fathom how this guy got reelected in the first place, I'm not going to underestimate the amount of nonsense the American voter will ensure.

T-Prime3797

He has done far worse than that, he has ended  the USA as the "world's bedrock" for finance. Post-WWII the USA (its government debt i.e. bonds/treasuries) and the dollar were the bottom line of safety and rational predictability. There could be financial crises in Japan, UK, Russia, China, Brazil, Argentina, anywhere on Earth, there could be wars and genocide, there could be Force Majeure, everyone knew the US government was going to withstand it and be the source of predictability.

That ended this week. For those who said the supremacy of the US dollar and treasury would or could never be questioned, to which I have always said "hold my beer", well you finally are holding the beer, and far quicker than I imagined. Trump and company had to do a full surrender and tuck tail between legs on Wednesday as the US debt market and dollar were beginning to show signs of "disorderly" function: the world (not just the Chinese as some alledge) , the investing planet was announcing "we don't want US debt, we don't trust the US any longer". As yields soared threatening a credit and mortgage crisis in the US, they very quickly called time out.

Once that trust that took over a century and a half to build is cracked, the crack remains forever.

Outcast_Comet

There's no way. Like everything else, Republicans will fall in line, Democrats won't be able to mount a meaningful attack, and his supporters will accept the consequences, no matter how painful, because he will tell them they aren't actually hurting. He'll tell them that, even if they are hurting now, it's just short term pain to turn America into the greatest country in the world (something they seem to simultaneously believe and vehemently disagree with). This will do ZERO to his support. In fact, I'd argue that it will increase his support further among Republican voters. "Promises made, promises kept! The rest of the world has been screwing for us for too long! Our economy is going to magically morph back into a manufacturing economy against all factors pushing it the other way!" No matter how much this hurts voters or the economy, it will change nothing. I truly believe that he could do literally anything and they would support him. Like, literally, ANYTHING. Show me a single one of the millions of insane things he did in his first term that caused a significant change in his support among Republicans.

tonynick1982

With any other administration, I would agree. But not with this one.

Trump has every intention of dying in office. He will not willingly give up power. Additionally, Congress has no intention of removing him, and neither does his cabinet. If he is not physically stopped or has a heart attack prior, he will run for a 3rd term and either win or lose, he will declare himself victor. It has been shown time and time again that no one will stop him.

Blackmailing foreign leaders for dirt on political rivals, a blatant disregard for the constitution, targeting political opponents with investigations, suspending habeas corpus, setting up concentration camps, witness intimidation, insider trading, staging an actual coup, and a ton of other things he has done are all good reasons to be removed from power. It still will not happen.

He was impeached twice, yet he was elected again. He staged a coup and was not thrown into a cell. He said it himself, he could shoot someone dead in the middle of 5th Avenue and he will not lose his supporters.

This is not the end of his presidency, just the first couple months.

Evalion022

You are making several false assumptions. First, you are assuming Republicans care about the truth. They don’t. They care about staying in power. They managed to strip all power from Democrats by convincing the public that the best economy in the world was “terrible,” that egg prices were Biden’s fault, that a senile con man who had already wrecked the economy once could instantly fix the “terrible” economy (which Biden had rescued from recession). So it is unlikely that they will ever admit that their Dear Leader wrecked the country. Second, you are assuming we will ever have fair(ish) elections again. Trump has made it clear again and again that he will make sure we do not. Third, you are assuming that most Americans are consuming news. They do not. They may hear that the stock market is down, but they will rationalize it away and will find ways to blame “both sides” for it. So sorry, but Americans have handed power to a madman and his greedy minions, after they explicitly told us they planned to destroy democracy.

pling619

It's one thing to blow things up, and another to put them back together.  He has the workings of a plan for the first part, but the second part is still a mystery.   He was very successful at getting the control he wanted, but now he's the dog who caught the car and is on the verge of being run over by it.

For me the mystery is how long will the rest of his party put up with a cratering economy, dysfunctional and dismantled Federal Government services,  and total reversal of our friendly relationships with our allies?  They have a 24 month reprieve before the next accountability event occurs, and a lot can happen before then.  The rest of the world is using this time to learn how to live without the US, and I think they'll probably start to like it.  They will definitely stop buying our debt, and probably our weapons too.  The biggest beneficiaries will definitely be China and possibly Russia too - the two greatest threats to the US.

Trump didn't want to be compared to Hoover, but he's done everything he can to be even worse.  At least we named a dam after Hoover.  I think a toxic nuclear waste dump is more appropriate for the Trump name.

Edit: Here's a good example of unintended consequences around the corner: [https://fortune.com/2025/04/03/european-union-ursula-von-der-leyen-europe-tariffs-imports-exports-big-bazooka-vitale-ing-president-donald-trump/](https://fortune.com/2025/04/03/european-union-ursula-von-der-leyen-europe-tariffs-imports-exports-big-bazooka-vitale-ing-president-donald-trump/)

Helmidoric_of_York

LOL, THIS is the bridge too far? Not the ubiquitous racism? Not the mishandling of a public health emergenc leading to thousands of American's deaths? Not attemptibg to blackmail an ally by holding up weapons shipments unless said ally manufactured G2 against his political opponent? Not the Putin press conference in Finland? Not the plot to over turn the election? Not the felony convictions? Not the sexual assault? After all he's done without suffering meaningful consequence, after all we've seen....you're thinking this is going to change the MAGA-fied American's fundamental view of him?

I pray to God I had your blissful ignorance Late at night when I stare into the abyss thinking about how far America has fallen.

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