The public displays deep polarization regarding the Gaza conflict and ceasefire negotiations, with many expressing outrage over the violence and a general distrust of both Israeli and Hamas leadership. There’s a significant emphasis on the humanitarian crisis affecting civilians, along with calls for urgent action. Comments reveal a mix of blame directed at Israel for its negotiating stance and skepticism towards Hamas's role, leading to worries about the prospects of genuine peace.

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Now reported on the BBC, on its front page.

So what exactly is going on here?

\-beginning negotiations with Hamas to release them all? or through the usual channels despite not sending the negotiators?

\-approval to launch an offensive into Gaza city, said himself yesterday. but now not doing it?

\-ending the war, but on 'Israel's terms'? What are those terms?

And what is to be done with the pledge that Hamas is going to be removed?

What is Netanyahu doing here?

SlightWerewolf4428

Only potentially good thing about a ceasefire is the release of all the remaining hostages 😢

Emergency-Basis-1362

To clarify, because it's confusing at first read: The operation that just commenced is continuing as planned. What we are talking about is negotiations under fire, without closing the door on them if they decide to come to the table. 

Which I guess is supposed to appease both sides. Once they manage to grasp what the heck he even meant by that.

SoulForTrade

Iraqi_Tona

carlosfeder

the_immovable

Wegovyttt

Of course he's backing away from the offensive, how predictable

SaintNikk

Following Israel's agreement, probably under at least some direct pressure from the US, to many concessions about a cease fire deal which would lead to end the war, Hamas has repeatedly tried to stall for time, manipulate, squeeze more out of the deal and even changed their minds on previously agreed upon terms.

The last Hamas answers were apparently so ridiculous, that the involved nations did not even share it with Israel. And now we learn that the American team is giving up for the moment completely.

As far as I know, the terms discussed included a 60 day cease fire. With guaranties from the US that Israel will not return to the fighting as long as the negotiation to end the war are going on.

The agreement would also include a retreat by IDF soldiers from most of the strip, the release of 10 alive hostages (Assuming around 20 remain alive), and the bodies of some other hostages. All in exchange for Palestinian terrorists, some who are murderers serving a lifetime in prison. In addition, an agreement to a lot of aid to go in Gaza.

Israel's negotiation team has also already announced they will leave.

NotSoSaneExile

It's worth noting that this comes after [nearly 30 Western or Western-sphere countries had foreign ministers sign a statement](https://abcnews.go.com/International/25-countries-sign-statement-calling-end-war-gaza/story?id=123926786) calling for a permanent and unconditional ceasefire. Huge shock that after that Hamas decides it no longer wants to negotiate in seriousness anymore. I seriously think what's been one of the biggest reasons that this war has dragged on are countries continuing to pass statements like these deincentivizing Hamas from continuing negotiations. Utterly ridiculous and shameful.

whereamInowgoddamnit

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It’s pathetic that the supposed “government” of Palestine would rather see their country and people wiped off the map on some hope of other countries just seemingly rising up or something when it comes to Israel. At this point what more can you do?

cannedsmarties

Hamas is a war time government, they have no role/use as a peacetime government, it's not how their business model works!  Same thing with Arafat as to why he never accepted any of the peace treaties with Israel, he was afraid of losing his employment/status as he wouldn't have a place in a peacetime government focusing on economic prosperity!

TheJacques

Why does the US need to secure a hostage deal?

AgitatedHoneydew2645

The ceasefire is temporary. This war doesn't end until Palestine is Demilitarized.

DragonBunny23

Israel gets 33 hostages back, all of whom can provide evidence of Hamas conduct and intelligence on Hamas procedures.

Israel releases a thousand criminals into an area that they have complete containment of, and when Hamas inevitably breaches the ceasefire, they can eliminate them.

Badly needed aid is able to reach the people of Gaza. 

It's a great precedence.

Sherwoodlg

What does "finishing the job" mean? Hamas has been defeated, tens of thousands of civilians have died, and Israel has been condemned by many nations, including some of it's former allies.

In my opinion, "finishing the job" does not mean continuing this cycle of death and destruction. 

The Abraham Accords, will never be supported by Israel's neighbors unless this cycle of violence ends.

No-Month-8673

"We don't negotiate with terrorists" has always been just something from the movies. You might be right about another attack. That's why it's long past time for a 2SS

dikbutjenkins

It will only create a bad precedent if Israel doesn't finish the job. Finishing the job can happen with or without further fighting. If threats are enough to get Hamas to fully surrender and return the rest of the hostages in the next phase, great. If not, Israel must take a hard line and go back in and finish up.

I believe all of the celebrations and disappointment with the deal are premature. There is little to no chance that Hamas survives this war. I'm actually surprised by how much of Israel doesn't like this deal. The vocal minority would have one think that, for months, 90% of the country was ready to let Hamas live if it meant the hostages come back. The silent majority seems to be speaking up. They want Hamas gone. They don't want a repeat of the Shalit experience. They don't want the possibility of another 10/7.

Hamas should be spooked. They are dead people walking. There's a reason that the ceasefire starts the day before Trump's inauguration. From that point, any violation of the ceasefire will have dire consequences. The precedent being set is, "If you attack Israel badly enough, there's no such thing as a permanent ceasefire."

That-Relation-5846

To quote something I read on another platform, Israel's 'suicidal empathy' will be the death of the Jewish state.

JohnCharles-2024

It's a bit too late: the Gilad Shalit deal did that.

Breaking international law with an illegal and brutal occupation for decades without sanctions is a terrible precedent. If we were tougher on Israel decades ago, we could have achieved peace and avoided not only Oct 7th but this genocide.

You do know that Israel holding people under administrative detention often in dubious circumstances is akin to hostage taking, so they can use them as bargaining chips?

Brilliant-Ad3942

Yes, it’s a bad precedent. Israel shouldn’t negotiate or capitulate to terrorists.

212Alexander212

The signal it sends to the rest of the Middle Eastern leadership is that this war against terrorism is no longer cold. It’s hot. They need to change things in their region or they could be next. This is a signal that Islam must update or more of this will come because Israel is not going anywhere. 

theeulessbusta

Looks at the smoking pile of rabble that is gaza*. No I don't think it will. The ceasefire deal does not exist in a vacuum and the Palestinians should have only look to 23 and 24 to be reminded what a terrible mistake another attack like oct7 will be

roshlimon

&gt;Will the ceasefire deal create a bad precedence?

The precedent was already created. The ceasefire deal will reinforce it. Again. This isn't the first time Hamas used the strategy of kidnapping in exchange for having their demands met. Even with the destruction, they think it's a winning strategy, and keep doing it.

They are the absolute worst people on the planet. Pure evil.

If you call most of Gaza getting destroyed and several thousand members of Hamas dead along with many if not most of their leaders “taking hostages and getting what they want”, I don’t know what to say

Playful_Yogurt_9903

Not really, they did it nos because it’s on Israel’s interest to stop the war at this point and focus on another front still open (Iran). So now they have ‘an excuse’ to stop it with a prize (hostage liberation) rather than just stop it without reaching their so called goal of removing Hamas from existence completely.

Efficient-Wolf7068

&gt;  Where did the "we dont negotiate with terrorist" go?

As far as I know every leader who said this publicly has since been revealed to have been negotiating via backchannels in private.

In other words, it was a lie for political purposes.


&gt; Marks my words, in 5-10 years, Hamas will carry out a more brazen operation in Israel, killing more people than Oct 7 and taking more hostages. And why should'nt they? When they can just successfully use the Hostages as bargaining chips.

The purpose of the IDF, hostage deal or no hostage deal, is to ensure that hostile militants in neighbouring countries cannot simply decide to enter Israel and take Israeli hostages whenever they choose.

If it is doing its job the release of these prisoners will make no difference to that. The prisoners haven't acquired magical powers in prison, they're still just the same armed terrorists the IDF is already prepared to defend against.

Tallis-man

You hit the nail on the head when it comes to Hamas understanding that they can use the hostages as a bargaining chip. It just shows exactly how monstrous they really are. In the future, Israel should refuse to release any terrorist who is serving a life sentence or has blood on their hands. Only those who were in administrative detention should be available in any kind of hostage deal if something like this were to happen again. It’s disgusting that we should have to watch cold blooded killers released from prison for innocent children. 

As to Hamas trying this again in a few years, they have vowed to try it again. Yet, I don’t see that happening. After October 7 there’s just no way that Israel would not be prepared for that when Hamas promises it. While there was obviously a failure to prevent it the first time, Israel will be extremely wary of any attack coming from Gaza or anywhere else along its borders.

Specialist-Show-2583

It's not the first ceasefire Israel signed and honestly, it should have been done months ago. It would have spared many lives including hostages.

LetsgoRoger

I mean... Yes? This isn't the precedent. The precedent was set with the Shalit deal.

TacticalSniper

No. Terrorism already exists, and it already works as much as it can work in theory. Hostage taking has already been proven as an affective tactic against Israel, it's been the case for decades. And it's very hard to say that Hamas got what it wanted, the domino effect of this war changed the landscape of the "Axis of Resistance" forever with Hamas and Hezbollah decimated harder they ever were, and Syria fallen to anti-Iranian rebels.

Twytilus

Well, looking at the ruins of Gaza, as well as seeing the deaths of Yahya Sinwar and Ismail Haniyeh, I feel like there was a lot more lost on their end that they may not be willing to risk.

DangerousCyclone


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Talks on a Gaza ceasefire have collapsed after President Trump’s envoy, Steve Witkoff, joined Israel in pulling out from negotiations and accusing Hamas of not “acting in good faith”.

The withdrawal of the US and Israel after two weeks of truce talks in Qatar leaves the Palestinian territory in a dire predicament. Aid agencies are warning of starvation and increasing difficulties accessing water for the strip’s two million inhabitants.

A sticking point was the continued presence of the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) in Gaza, as well as the terms for a permanent ceasefire after a 60-day truce involving an exchange of remaining hostages for Palestinian prisoners. The supply and distribution of aid was also the subject of wrangling.

TimesandSundayTimes

That's because they know most will die of Starvation in the next couple of days then they can return to the table and may be stretch it out for a month so everyone is dead and theres no anoying natives to get in their way.... remind you of anyone America?

OccasionallyReddit

caroanntoo

Seeing as the entire population of the US is distracted by something else……why not?

mikeybagodonuts

They'll still be saying Hamas are being unreasonable for not budging when their negotiating partners have starved

samalam1

Gaza ceasefire talks are the new two state solution. Lies to continue the ethnic cleansing.

GloomyResist1199

In a word, Trump failed again (ok 3 words).

AcanthisittaNo6653

Israel doesn’t want a ceasefire and they don’t give a shit about the hostages. Ethnic cleansing is their ultimate goal and it’s a horrifying reality that even our own government and US politicians are still supporting and funding this.

KosmicAlchemist

Husbandaru

There’s only two parties negotiating here, hamas and Israel. I thought US were mediating with Qatar. So the US is a player but just won’t admit to it

Drew-404

Will Trump still be eligible for the Nobel Peace Prize if they pull out of the ceasefire negotiations? This is the important point I want to know. 

/s

GraXXoR

The goal here is to carry out a complete genocide. This will go down as one of the most evil acts in our lifetimes.

traanquil

x4sych3x

Of course they’re going to pull out, they’re working towards greater Israel by any means necessary. Including acting civilized by sitting down to negotiate and then finding the excuses to pull out.
All they do is lie, manipulate, the end justifies the means. Them pulling out means they think they can keep exterminating the Palestinians and take the land.

ibuprophete

That doesn't change anything, they weren't actually negotiating anyways.

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Yesterday on my local NPR radio station they were reporting on the ceasefire agreement and the interviewee said that Steve Witkoff told Netanyahu's envoy that if they didn't agree to the peace deal before Trump's inauguration that Trump would withhold all aid and weapons to Israel and they immediately folded. 


I don't know how true that is, but it's exactly what leftists and Palestinian supporters have been begging Biden to do since October 2023.

Hungry_Culture

The whole thing was delayed because Joe Biden's negotiating power was undermined by the 2024 election and divided messages coming from the other party. Same thing with the Ukraine situation.

So much blood on the hands of Donald Trump even before he takes office.

Newscast_Now

Im convinced trumps transition team got security briefings on the progress of the plan and that lead to trump declaring "if not before i take office then..." kinda crap because it seemed pretty clear it was gonna go thru and he wanted credit for it

You will not convince me otherwise because this is the era of subjective reality and facts are just as meaningless as feelings

augustusleonus

What ceasefire? Israel is still murdering civilians at a rapid pace.

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