Public sentiment is overwhelmingly negative regarding the potential for peace talks between Russia and Ukraine, characterized by deep skepticism towards Putin's intentions and doubts around the sincerity of any negotiations. Many commenters express that true peace is unattainable without a complete Russian withdrawal from Ukraine, viewing any peace discussions as potentially harmful and merely a facade for continued aggression. The prevalent belief is that concessions would only empower Russia and lead to further suffering for Ukraine.

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MileHighNerd8931

Good, russia needs to understand they can fuck off or die trying. Time to face some consequences for once.

Ansambel

Nor should they. You don’t just let someone come into your house and just take one of your bedrooms, right? So why should he give up land that belongs to them?

Tech_Noir1984

If Russia was serious about peace it would leave Ukrainian territory tomorrow.

Jaded-Natural80

They already gave up their nuclear weapons to Russia for peace and look how that turned out. 

esgrove2

He himself said a couple of month ago that he doesn\`t see a way for Ukraine to take it\`s land back by force. So is he willing to sacrifice every ukrainian man just to continue the war for another year or two? I don\`t understand this

theAkke

Just a reminder that land for peace is a fake deal. Putin will attack again. There is no real offer on the table.

Minute-Object

Polling in Ukraine shows Zelensky is in the minority here.


He is, personally, fucked if he surrenders though, the right wing freaks will kill him. 

MyCatIsLenin

I think zelensky needs to be realistic here.   
Unless American and EU troops get put on the frontline and start WW3 and have millions more killed, he's never going to win this.   
I think realistically he should try to minimize the damage because if this keeps going the way it is they'll lose even more if not eventually all of Ukraine.

mayo_too_spicy

Fighting a losing battle as time goes on it seems 

No-Supermarket7647

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Donald Chump will settle this!

“I’ll get that done within 24 hours. Everyone says, ‘Oh, no, you can’t.’ Absolutely I can. Absolutely I can. ..Before I even arrive at the Oval Office, shortly after we all together win the presidency, we will have the horrible war between Russia and Ukraine settled. It will be settled. The war is going to be settled. I’ll get them both – I know Zelensky, I know Putin, it’ll be done within 24 hours, you watch. They all say, ‘That’s such a boast.’ It will be done very quickly.”

Professional_Clue66

He shouldn’t. If he waits until the 2026 midterms he’ll have a chance at a more reasonable deal.

Tree_Trunks-00-

He should ask his people, I think the wise thing to do is be ready to give up land, as long as it stops the killing, as long as he makes a pact with the allies and ensures Putin knows if he tries it again, it’ll be the third world war

Thecontradicter

Giving your most fortified land to Russia who will attack you again in a couple months/years is a no brainer /s

Smart-Zucchini-5251

Lost-Letterhead-6615

Imagine Trumps face if Zelensky gets nobel peace prize and not him. Lol

Fresh_Bee6411

Couldn't imagine giving up a single state in the US for temporary peace you know won't last. Fuck that.

Phixionion

While this sounds good on paper, at what cost? Worst case is you lose EVERYTHING and millions and millions of men. Best case, you can stop the war now and cut your losses. In every scenario possible, Russia will not stop unless a deal is made.

Cautious-Roof2881

Trouble is the alternative is just a continued war of attrition. A war of attrition that heavily favors Russia. Russia can afford to drag this out indefinitely. Ukraine can’t, even with western aid.

AppropriateSea5746

Then expect to be wiped off the mat, you're playing a fools game Zel...

Great-Werewolf9155

I think something similar happened in paraguay…

furyofSB

Then Europe needs to cover the rest of the cost of the war. The USA doesn’t need to fund another decade plus war and spend $1 trillion + for something that isn’t our business

ActPositively

If that’s what the people of Ukraine want then that’s that. Putin can suck nuts

t0p_n0tch

JimmyHoffa244

Ah yes, the ol russia will stop when they give their land away deal

Agitated-Smell1483

AwkwardBuy8923

I am worried that the nuclear option still exists. This shit needs to end before Putin gets desperate.

DrakeSpellen

Well more people gona die then. And it the end u ll still give up territory

Independent_Boat6741

Partition was the only thing clear on Feb 25, 2022.

Unfair-Frame9096

Give up your chair, everything will be solved within a second.

Best_Hunk

russia counts in being such big cunts and getting on everyone's nerves so much, that you just give them a little bit so they shut up. Thats been the tactic for the bast 20+ years. Ever land they have gained people thought "let's just give it to them so they stop being little cunts" 

Ok_Swimming_8738

yet there are plans to airlift him to the USA

Prize-Grapefruiter

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Trump is as [dumb ](http://www.magapus.com)as the white crayon on white paper.

[deleted]

Yea he’ll keep it going as long as he can he doesn’t care about his people

Anti_Septic88

snsps4

As someone who come form a partitioned 
country it’s a bitter reality but Western Ukraine will be better off with the freedom of being able have there own national identity and the choice to become part of EU and develop into a first world nation 

The East of Ukraine and Crimea is predominantly Russian for reasons you can’t force these people to be something different this goes both ways time needs to pass before a recognition and acceptance of both side this is what leads to peace and ultimately a unification if both sides choose in the future

barryl34

If they do, they will just come back in 6 months asking for more

DatTrashPanda

According_Donkey9103

Idiotic. He can’t (or at least it will be insanely difficult to) take all back. 
Russia shouldn’t get entire donbas but freezing frontline for now is a legit option Zelensky should take. And Putin too.

personalityone879

The last leader of the free world. Sadly.

Limp-Machine-6026

Forgot Canada and Greenland, just annex eastern Ukraine and Crimea as the 51st US state. Problem solved! 😂

pkupku

You mean they wont give up their home? Right? Their home? Their livelihood? Lets use the right terminology here. It isnt just land. Its everything for them.

CuckservativeSissy

Ukraine once gave up its nuclear arsenal in exchange for peace with Russia, and now they want their land. There is a saying, “Fool me once, shame on me; fool me twice, shame on you,” so they aren’t giving in this time.

Butthurtz23

We're coming up on the fifth year of this conflict. It's gotta end. We need to be sending as much aid to Ukraine as possible, and to do what we can to put an end to Russian aggression. Zelenski is an icon and one of the greatest wartime leaders the west has seen in almost a century.

Affectionate_Step863

Maybe at some point ukraine should give up zelensky for peace

LifeClick5498

silver-for-monsters

Maybe ask the people you work for if they feel the same..

dano2469tesla

Okay but what is the point of this symbolic announcement? Ukraine can't actually evict Russia from it's own land and any more war will see more territory lost, the strategic reality dictates that the ideal solution for Ukraine is an end to hostilities keeping current land

ka52heli

Sven_Golly1

next r/agedlikemilk post 

we all know the logical conclusion to this. you may hate it but I see no winning battle here

HollyweirdRdemocrat

Only a fool makes peace with Russia.

They will gladly drown you in the bodies of their own countrymen to get what they want and they want it all.

Acceptable-Stay-3166

It's not up to him to decide :) They already lost the lands and can only beg the West to survive.

Previous-Librarian24

Surrender is not a shame for christ sake. It's better to spare live rather than killing more people.

julien_091003

Good on you Zelensky! It’s time to start launching storm shadows into the Kremlin. All these new donations from UK and the rest of Euroland need to be used.

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maincoonpower

A growing percentage of Ukrainians hate Zelensky

Think-Emu-3895

Hurray, let's fight to the last Ukrainian

Major_Nkvd

Until the last Ukrainian, then? Or what is the other solution? I know what. Korean scenario is the only way this war will end.

persimmon40

Not even peace. Russia wants land just for ceasefire, which is even dumber,

Pestelis

Zelenskyy won’t do anything to end the war because he gets to remain in power as long as the war continues.

DBCooper211

They should just hold a vote in Ukraine i can 100 percent guarantee.if they held a vote to Cede the territory Russia already controls or keep fighting there going vote to give it up for peace 

nonlethaldosage

Why would they?  If they gave them that land now all the people that died in the war thus far would be in vain.

YoungBasedGod5

Putin wants to rape Ukraine of its natural resources. Zelensky is protecting the economy of his country

No-Cup-8096

So the war will just go on, millions will die, trillions will be spent. Great outcome

Sufficient-Arrival47

I don’t this will realistically happen as they have already lost 20% of their country and have showed no capacity to seize land from well defended Russian lines

morerandom__2025

Good. They need to also get Crimea back as well.Russia need  to loose land at the end of this thing not gain.

DreadpirateBG

Nice, now more escalations and I can see $$$

greatgraper

They’re not my sons …Cue another dead 100000 Ukrainians — Zelensky

GirlyFootyCoach

GlocalBridge

I'm truly puzzled by Zelensky"s long term plan though. 

Apart from praying Ukraine's disastrous geopolitical situation would improve with some luck.

NewOil7911

Of course, why would he? Ukraine is winning and gaining ground! 




Right?!?

immoralwalrus

Legitimate-Funny3791

Would anyone reading this give away some of their own property/land when forced? No way, any normal person would fight to the end. TRUMP has a disliking for some states and US territorial Latino places, but no way would he give them away. However, Titty Taco is so keen to get a Peace Prize he is doing his best to make Ukraine give away their treasured land.

AlkimosGentry

That's what a leader of a nation looks like.

Cultural-Employee479

They’ll just take more. He’s absolutely right.

Direct_Turn_1484

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/O3s8lh6HY0

grouchoscar91

Jc-builds

So they will give bodies for war. Its quite sad that they would continue this on principle alone, because they clearly have no hope of actually defeating Russia. To deny this is to be irrational. You don't have to like it. I don't like it. I hate war. They should cede the land and sign the agreement. Its not even a surrender because Ukraine is still independent, Zelensky stays, all of that. They DID defeat Russias attempt at regime change. I don't see how they walk away the "loser" when they beat on the Russians that hard and then signed an agreement that keeps them in power.

s0ul_invictus

Russian leader Vladimir Putin has no intention of stopping the war . Make no mistake, Vladimir Putin's lust for power and territory by force will not cease. Trump's just a little pawn for Putin.

Ok_Structure_2449

I agree ukraine won the land it has remaining and Russia won the land it took ig. As long as a possibly french polish peace keeping force is there russia wouldn’t try anything

bruh123445

cool

he can keep losing til theres nothing left, then

DaveRuangsit

Kyiv will not give up land that Moscow troops aren't occupying as part of any peace deal, Ukrainian President said. This was reported in New York post in August.


Trump's already told Putin he would be ok with it and it is up to Zelensky to finish the deal. After the summit.


I'm thinking this isn't as clear cut now as it was months ago.

DiverExpensive6098

They are a proud and true nation whom have fought for their country and will never give it up or it was never worth fighting for in the beginning!! Those lives lost mean something!! Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia continues to kill Ukraines!! Russia is the instigator, villain and the one breaking laws!!

Dangerous-Celery-766

For everyone who demands Ukraine should give up land for peace, just ask the czechoslovaks how that turned out. And than you ask the poles what happened to them a year later as a direct consequence of that.

Spoiler: It ended horribly for everyone involved.

Pure-Physics1344

NAFO warriors, why haven't you volunteered or contracted for the Ukrainian army yet? Almost all the Russians have died. There's only a few left. Leopards are waiting for new drivers for the dash to Crimea.

Low-Selection-1131

Well, not his decision. If Trump wants to he has to. Now shoot the messenger by downvoting

Bartinhoooo

Easy to say when he’s not the one to send his sons into the battlefield to die.

No-Appearance1310

No_Job_5208

Just something very important to be considered:
This war will end when:
- Russia is defeated 
- Ukraine is defeated 
- Ukraine accepts Russia's demands


There's no other options. Because Russia is the aggressor. And thus the war only ends when the aggressor stops.
The aggressor only stops when they get what they wanted, they lose or it's to costly to keep on attacking.




Russia has proven over the past 3 years that being removed from "the western" sphere is not enough of a cost. And not even their own population is a cost big enough to stop.


So given all that. If Ukraine is not willing to concede. That means this was drops to only 2 ways it can end:
- Russia is defeated 
- Ukraine is defeated 


And now the final question becomes, how can someone defeat Russia?
This is the question because I assume most people here want Ukraine to not lose. Hence, the only other option is option 1

OkAssociation3083

If they give up land in 5 years there will be no Ukraine.

insitnctz

Honest_Ad6211

Someone should tell former comedian Zelenskyy, that he has to win if he wants to make demands like this

LuckyTraffic4299

Kind of a misleading headline, as Putin offered a temporary ceasefire on a part of the front in exchange for Donetsk. So he's not refusing to give up land "for peace"

Szenbanyasz

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Sláva Ukraíni!
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JudeRanch

Peace? Russia doesn't want peace.

They want their fighting line advanced. Getting Ukrainian territory puts them on the doorstep of their objective.

What moron would think Russia wants peace?

Exact-Breadfruit-328

Good, keep fighting and tell the orange man of America to fuck off

Zerk-Berker666

Holiday_Studio3060

No minerals for trump, no land for poo-tin

No-Baseball-2918

Zelensky’s term ended in May 2023. He needs to surrender. He’s taking his entire country down with him.

1984reignpolicy

Tiny_Matter_9898

Russia could just go home...  Who in this world wants to be under russian leadership?

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