Public sentiment regarding the environmental crisis in the Himalayan region is complex, showing a mix of concern and skepticism. While many emphasize the need for immediate action against climate change and unsustainable practices, others express feelings of helplessness or trivialize the issue, leading to divided responses. The overall trend points towards a desire for more responsible engagement and action on environmental matters.

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This sounds horrible but there's very little information about it and no outlet I'm familiar with has written about it. Can I ask what's your source?

ComradeHappiness

Massive rain dumps in Tibet could be very devastating, that is factual.

But I wouldn't worry about India having no more monsoons, ever (or rarely). Climate change has a lot of massive challenges coming up, but we're not re-writing the laws of physics here. The mountains will still squeegee moisture out of the air, just now *some* will make it over into Tibet instead of *none*.

I'd be worried for Tibet with this far more than I'd worry for India on this specific/narrow thing.

kmoonster

Was it that necessary to use chatgpt for this post?

customer-of-thorns

Even if a small part of the monsoon moisture crosses over to Tibet, it absolutely does not mean that "India may lose the monsoon". India may lose 1% of monsoon moisture, which is (due to rising temperatures and warmer air carrying more moisture) anyway increasing. Compressing effect of the Himalayas is not going anywhere.

It is a potential issue for Tibet (but possibly also an improvement). Obviously only if they can prepare for it. Water shortage has always been their limiting factor.

Abject-Investment-42

Too many EM dashes, among other red flags, can we stop it with the AI slop please?

redbull_coffee

The altitude numbers quoted in this post don’t make sense. Himalayas are a LOT higher than 2000 meters? 

I’ve trekked to Everest Base Camp - that’s at nearly 5500 meters and you walk there - no mountain climbing - the surrounding mountains  on the way and up there are all 6000/7000/ and 8000 meters plus for the big ones!

In Nepal they call anything under 6000 meters a “hill”!

The Tibetan plateau on the other side of the hymalayas is all 4500-5000m+ as well.

I think the lowest pass into Tibet is over 4500 meters and most of them are over 5000m?

brednog

This looks suspiciously ai generated. I hope it’s not, but if it is, then it’s ironic how you’re posting about future water problems while using up fresh water on posting this.

lovelifelivelife


Seems some advection is normal and this is by no means new... what am I missing?

- Dong, W., Lin, R., Wright, J.S., Ming, Y., Xie, Y. (2016).  
  *Summer rainfall over the southwestern Tibetan Plateau controlled by moisture transport from the Indian monsoon.*  
  [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4786685/](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4786685/)  
  - Shows that summer rainfall in SW Tibet is largely fed by “up-and-over” transport of Indian monsoon moisture.  
  - Moisture rises on southern Himalayan slopes, then is advected across into Tibet.  
  - Contradicts the idea of the Himalayas as an impenetrable wall.  

- Dong, W., Lin, R., Ming, Y., Xie, Y. (2017).  
  *Indian Monsoon Low-Pressure Systems Feed Up-and-Over Moisture to Southwestern Tibetan Plateau.*  
  [https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017JD027296](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017JD027296)  
  - Finds that Indian monsoon low-pressure systems frequently transport moisture into SW Tibet.  
  - These synoptic events contribute substantially to rainfall on the plateau.  
  - Again shows monsoon moisture has crossed before, so “first-ever” is inaccurate.  

- Ma, Y., Zhong, L., Su, Z., Ishikawa, H., Ma, W. (2018).  
  *Atmospheric moisture transport versus precipitation across the Tibetan Plateau.*  
  [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0169809518300498](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0169809518300498)  
  - Uses models and reanalysis to quantify moisture sources for the Plateau.  
  - Confirms that Indian monsoon transport is one of several contributors, alongside westerlies.  
  - Demonstrates that monsoon-derived moisture advection into Tibet is not new.  

- Li, C., Yanai, M., Bao, X. (2016).  
  *Water vapor transport around the Tibetan Plateau and its controls.*  
  [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13351-016-5123-1](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13351-016-5123-1)  
  - Examines seasonal and synoptic moisture fluxes around the Plateau.  
  - Highlights terrain effects, but also shows how transport routes channel moisture into southern and eastern Tibet.  
  - Undercuts the claim that Tibet has always been sealed off from monsoon flow.  

- Tada, R., Zheng, H., Clift, P.D. (2016).  
  *Evolution and variability of the Asian monsoon and its influence by the Himalaya–Tibetan Plateau uplift.*  
  [https://progearthplanetsci.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40645-016-0080-y](https://progearthplanetsci.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40645-016-0080-y)  
  - Paleoclimate and modeling evidence: monsoon–plateau interactions have varied over millions of years.  
  - Moisture pathways into Tibet have shifted with Himalayan uplift and climate phases.  
  - Shows precedent for monsoon moisture reaching Tibet, even in geological history.

platistocrates

Some news stories on this:

\- [https://www.etvbharat.com/en/!bharat/himalayan-shield-weakening-monsoon-winds-crossing-into-tibet-worrying-signs-for-india-say-experts-enn25090900610](https://www.etvbharat.com/en/!bharat/himalayan-shield-weakening-monsoon-winds-crossing-into-tibet-worrying-signs-for-india-say-experts-enn25090900610)

\- [https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/monsoon-miracle-or-meteorological-disaster-southwest-winds-defy-himalayan-barrier-reach-tibet/ar-AA1Mi693](https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/monsoon-miracle-or-meteorological-disaster-southwest-winds-defy-himalayan-barrier-reach-tibet/ar-AA1Mi693)

Exact_Most

Sooo, climate change means Tibet will become fertile?

ImpossibleDraft7208

Why get ai to write this? Please just write your own posts. They don’t have to be perfectly structured ai slop. It’s obvious. It undermines the sense of sincerity of your post and undermines trust readers have in your words. Just write. Just try. It’ll be fine.

syc0rax

BaconDoubleBurger

Please stop using AI to write posts. I assure you that you can do a better job than it can.

Neddalee

Speaking of history books, since we only know what's been recorded, you might want to stop using the word EVER in caps like you know it for a fact.  Even studying climate history doesn't preclude this happening just once before due to events that weren't significant enough to leave evidence.

intulor

Marigold16

You should disclose that you used AI to create this post.

MarkusMannheim

Engineers that design roofing and drainage systems have a way of incorporating probability of big weather events into their designs. They talk about the one in a hundred year storm and the one in a thousand years storm.
Some less critical things might be designed to handle a one in twenty years storm, but not a one in a hundred years storm. Really critical things like big dams and nuclear power stations might have to be designed to handle a one in a thousand years storm.

So what do you mean by for the first time EVER? Is it the first time in living memory, the first time since detailed meteorological records have been recorded? Often such records only go back 50 years or so, especially in places like Tibet.

To say it is for the first time EVER you're clearly scaremongering. You only have to look at most flood plains to see that much of it has never been flooded in living memory yet the evidence is there that it has happened loads of times in the past.

Now if it happens again next year and the year after then you have real evidence to ask why isn't it in the news.

You might want to write me off as a climate change denier but you would be dead wrong. I just think hyping up individual events as evidence of climate change is counter productive. People see the obvious attemp at manipulation and go the other way. The result is the hyperpolarisation we see today.

grahamsuth

Beneficial_Aside_518

This kind of breathless, inaccurate, grammatically weird, AI-infused hyperbole is not helpful.

angelplasma

The first time ever? You don't know that.

ratherBeSpearFishing

I promise you it has happened before, and likely many times. It's just that our records only go back a few hundred years. 

Safe_Roll3964

This is insane but we can’t call it climate, yet. This is just freaky weather. Now if it keeps happening and we develop a pattern then it’s a big concern.

“Scientists consider this event unusual, but more research is needed to understand its long-term effects. Roxy Mathew Koll stated, “We need to determine if this is an anomalous event or a permanent effect of climate change.” Raghu Murtugudde suggested that an analysis of Himalayan topography based on satellite images is necessary to understand the moisture pathways.”

As for now it’s an interesting anomaly. If this keeps up it could have consequences and change the landscape.

Gentle_method

of course no one heard about it.  everyone is too busy talking about a fascist scumbag being murdered.

Strict_Ad_101

What happens when climate becomes unlivable for a billion people? They migrate …

wheelie46

My guess is that this kind of information has been banned in the US under the new administration.

April_Fabb

Things are speeding up. Catastrophic permanent climate changes aren’t spoken of in terms of ‘if’ anymore but ‘when’. And when is consistently sooner than projected.

Europe’s expecting an ice age now that the ocean currents bringing us warmth are slowing and expected to stop.

Prestigious_Leg2229

isn’t this good? monsoon is too wet for india and causes a lot of flooding so if some of that goes to bone dry tibet—win win?

xrp_oldie

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Maybe also try in I think it’s r/disasterupdate

Edit yeah that’s the group. I’d definitely mention it in that group too

Own_Ad6901

Not sure how you figure this is going to massively impact India’s monsoons? The rains are still going to come up from the Indian Ocean.

Active-Task-6970

But muh third rate Goebbels got shot 😢

DiligentCorvid

People are generally too stupid where I live to even know what a monsoon is. They can’t point out Tibet on a map. They would literally hear this and think “big deal it rains in lots of places”. That’s why we’ll never have meaningful discussion or action on climate change. People are too stupid for the discussion.

Kattymcgie

I don't get it. As long as the Himalayas are there, they will still act as a HUGE trap of moisture. Seems more like something that will happen occasionally when the circumstances are right.

Mach5Driver

LOL!!!!!   "for the first time EVER".  Give me a break.  Do you really believe that?

Confident-Staff-8792

Maybe India will stop overpopulating and wasting/polluting all their water.  We can hope.

regaphysics

Unlikely to be a common occurrence. With weather, never say never.

Fotoman54

Ah yes, the “never before seen” pattern change when humans have only been paying attention for a minuscule blip in the history of the planet.

Lordsaxon73

On the plus side this could cause significant glaciation on the tibetan plateau

cybercuzco

For one year in a row this has happened and a billion years of rain fell in 24 hours.

earth-calling-karma

Food security for billions seems like it should be a bigger priority.

v022450781

and the Pacific did not get its annual deep-cold water upswell, which delivers much nutrients to the surface.

TheRedOcelot1

Meanwhile here in the midwest USA there are data centers running 30+ NG turbines and pulling 1 MILLION gallons of water a week out of aquafers to power AI chat bots. We are killing ourselves as fast as we can without using nukes.

Copper_Lontra

WOW! Using like allcaps and lowkey trendy white people PHRASES  totally like makes this post insanely believable,  y'all!

DanoPinyon

What do you mean by “19 western disturbances”?

spark99l

scorpiomover

Nathan-Stubblefield

Narendra Modi is probably doing everything possible to prevent the apocalypse for his citizens!  /s

Bill_Troamill

Does this mean that the India subcontinent will dry up and undergo desertification?

reckaband

I’m not an expert but these feels like the dramatic shift losing the AMOC would be, even if less impactful! WTF. 

Thanks for this info!! I’m going to see what GPT comes up with, just for the bantz!

Reallyboringname2

Personal_Win_4127

Quick how do we change the earth rotation,,p8vooottt.

Old_Park1688

First time recorded does not mean first time occurred!

doc-sci

Most-Inflation-4370

Your statement implies a heat inversion 2000+ meters high.  The Himalayas have peaks over four times that height.  Is that moisture from inside the warmer level or is it directly from the ocean?  Since elevations are so high, the only way I see significant atmospheric moisture entering the region would be through northern India and Tajikistan.  This is what happened and lingered for over a week because of a convective anticyclone over western China.  It would be interesting to see rainfall totals in Hotan, China, a place that averages a little over one inch per year, mainly from subtropical disturbances during the summer.  I bet that whole region is flourishing with life at the moment.

Sea-Louse

How do you know this is the first time EVER?

Bear in mind you only know about it because someone got lucky looking at satellite data.

Vegetable-Egg-1646

poundablepeach

Some regions of the Atacama have been suspected to have not had major rainfall for millions of years, allowing for incredible geological formations and a time capsule effect. I wonder what climate change will cause us to lose in the near future?

BiologicalTrainWreck

GoreonmyGears

Worst part is that Modi will probably call this fake news.

WillistheWillow

....its not being destroyed just somewhere else is getting it. Glad the world is adjusting.

Outrageous_Bite4998

there was an ancient river that nutured the harappan civilization.

it dried up

jeremiahthedamned

I thought the Tibetan plateau used to be super fertile and they had a strong army because of that and then climate change occurred and it dried out and their farms failed. OP is claiming it was dry since pre humans, not sure what to believe. 

hlebbb

jhnnadm

foober735

Proof that the Maldives will be underwater next year. Seriously this time.

Ok_Main_20

__shallal__

Doesn’t sound like a big deal to me. You know the sun is going to blow up the planet in a few hundred million years? Sounds like a bigger deal to me idk might just be me idk

clancyiam

FatMax1492

Shhh a hateful guy spewing hateful speech 24/7 got shot during one of his hateful interventions in front of his hateful fans. There's a clear priority here, no one cares about some wind in the mountains the other side of the world /s

Zestyclose_General11

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Separate_Lecture_782

Most of those quakes will on the lower end of the Richter scale. And only a few will be affected.  


The best outcome will be revised building codes after disaster.

Reality is no. If it happens then it will impact more on north Indian cities. In the coming few months there is a chance we could see earthquakes on a low richter scale.

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Sustainable development &gt; early warning systems. TBH neither is going to happen here, human life has no value in a society with no empathy.

Unlikely_Ad_9182

The science is there. But unless the middlemen -- from the people on the ground to the minister who approves this, all of them need to get paid for this to happen.

arjunusmaximus

These arent scientific problems. These are economic (greed) problems

Wallstar95

Most of the issues we have seen in last couple of days is due to cloud burst and that will continue to happen in coming years as oceans are warming up. You cannot prevent heavy rains hitting these areas and try to save people and property by warning systems. These areas will have to be declared disaster zones and will have to move people to areas that can sustain the rainfall of the future. This is not only a problem of Himalayan region but other areas in south too near the western ghats. It’s the reality we all have to accept. Climate change is real and we will continue to see this everywhere.

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There's lots of other sources of iodine. I'm also not sure of your claim that Himalayan salt is what everyone uses. A lot of the people I know use sea salt and a lot of my extended family continue to use iodized salt.

earthhominid

Standard salt is not any better.
It has anti caking agents which prevent small clusters of moisture .
They may contain heavy metals which pose a risk to health.

It is also refined, just like common sugar, and most minerals are erased that way.

I use sea salt thats enriched with iod through algae.
Best choice imo.
Healthiest .

YouSwoozeYouLose

While I do think that there is a depression pandemic, I don’t think it has anything to do with the salt people use. Most people just buy the cheapest salt in the store and never cared for himalayan salt in the first place.

Not to mention they're starting to find traces of metal in many brands of Himalayan salt that were getting from China

liquidice11

take iodine with the supporting protocol, its vitamin c, selenium, riboflavin and some other stuff.  Taking it in decent doses can do damage otherwise, oxidizes the thyroid or whatever.

pink salt is pink because of iron.  Its the inflammatory iron oxide, not heme iron. 

be really careful with anything from tbe ground.  Shilajit and clay can have aluminum for example.

you know its a strong iodine if its mucolytic-- moves mucus like nothing else, clears tear ducts overnight.  Eyes will never look whiter bc anti inflammatory, anti microbial

verysatisfiedredditr

The iodized salt is heat treated and mixed with anti-clumping agents. 

To me it tastes horribly of chemical \*something\*. I'm not aware of any studies that show issues with regular table salt, but my spidey senses (or taste buds, maybe), along with the general knowledge that processed shit is generally not good for you, tells me to stay away.

Hell, some places I've been in South America, they mix fluoride into table salt... brr.

Rock and sea salt just tastes better, though sea salt is probably not advisable at this point.

Even with iodized salt, I'm not so sure we get sufficient amounts of iodine, at least not without getting too much sodium in the process.

So yeah, diet and supplementation is probably a better solution than sub-par industrial table salt. With a varied diet low in processed bullshit, you're probably fine.

I use purified kelp powder and Lugol's solution. Without bloodwork, I have no idea what my levels are, and I don't know if serum levels of iodine are even a good indicator for the total amount of iodine in the body. I definitely don't  have deficiency symptoms, though.

FriendlyFungi

I thought the issue with Himalayan salt was the mercury levels in it due to the way it is mined?

WonderfulDentist2471

Thats a bit of a stretch because "normal" salt is still very very popular

Most_Preparation_848

Don't forget that the Nephilim were killed during the flood, their bodies were large, and could be taller than mountains. If you were into the Himalayan salt deposits, you will notice that they look kinda like blood vessels that have been petrified. Now imagine if the world was convinced into eating, Neph blood wouldn't that be a weird coincidence?

XxX_GD_Angel_XxX

I use Himalayan sea salt for its benefits when I cook, but pretty sure I'm getting tons of regular salt from other foods I eat....

MessageFar5797

This is so far fetched and stupid. Of all the things, lifestyle changes, technological changes, and societal changes, you are saying the culprit of mass depression and anxiety is due to Himalayan Pink Salt!? You’re a fool! The majority of Americans probably don’t even know wtf Himalayan Pink Salt is. But they’re still eating Doritos and chasing it down with soda. This is a ridiculous conspiracy.

Logical_Photograph_1

I_Love_Vanessa

The pink salt is just another marketing trend, I don’t think there is anything too sinister about it. Sea salt does contain trace elements of iodine as well as other minerals. You can get iodine from a lot of sources such as seaweed and even swimming in the ocean. Early humans didn’t have access to iodized salt and seemed to make it just fine. I think the bigger concern is the standard American diet which in fact contains plenty of iodized salt and is not making anyone healthier.

So the Jewish people use Kosher salt exclusively? They must be depressed also.

SuperbPerception8392

lugol's iodine, take it with your vitamins.

AAjax

This! I’m a nurse and the amount of thyroid cancer I have seen specifically in women of ALL ages that I’ve seen over the last 8 years is astounding. I’ve researched it and come to the same conclusion about the iodine. I become asking patients if they used “table salt” or pink Himalayan and have found a huge correlation. It’s just anecdotal but the amount I have seen, I have no question about the connection and also the push behind PHS by TBTB

ellabananas11

normal salt doesn't have iodine either...   bit odd to blame HS

nfk99

Eat more  organ meats (heart, liver, kidneys) for iodine

MastroCastro2022

Yup this guys got it figured out guys. Nothing to do with the state of society and abuse of the working class. Its the iodine! They’ve been playing us like fiddles making pink salt a (dead) trend about a decade ago! Bro people hopped off the himalayan pink salt train many years ago. Some pseudo-science health influencers out there still talk about different salts as if they’re a god send but jesus christ its not the fucking salts that are making people done with the world. Its the world.

Novafan789

just have to add concern about microplastics in sea salt. lovely thought, right?

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