Public sentiment is largely negative, reflecting deep concern about extreme weather's impact on safety, infrastructure, and future water supplies in the Himalayas. While many commenters are alarmed by the undeniable effects of climate change, a segment expresses skepticism regarding its role and emphasizes the urgent need for enhanced preparedness. Some respondents also reveal a disconnect, focusing instead on personal interest in the region's beauty rather than its challenges.

Governments of Nepal and India

Environmental organizations

This sounds horrible but there's very little information about it and no outlet I'm familiar with has written about it. Can I ask what's your source?

ComradeHappiness

Massive rain dumps in Tibet could be very devastating, that is factual.

But I wouldn't worry about India having no more monsoons, ever (or rarely). Climate change has a lot of massive challenges coming up, but we're not re-writing the laws of physics here. The mountains will still squeegee moisture out of the air, just now *some* will make it over into Tibet instead of *none*.

I'd be worried for Tibet with this far more than I'd worry for India on this specific/narrow thing.

kmoonster

Was it that necessary to use chatgpt for this post?

customer-of-thorns

Even if a small part of the monsoon moisture crosses over to Tibet, it absolutely does not mean that "India may lose the monsoon". India may lose 1% of monsoon moisture, which is (due to rising temperatures and warmer air carrying more moisture) anyway increasing. Compressing effect of the Himalayas is not going anywhere.

It is a potential issue for Tibet (but possibly also an improvement). Obviously only if they can prepare for it. Water shortage has always been their limiting factor.

Abject-Investment-42

Too many EM dashes, among other red flags, can we stop it with the AI slop please?

redbull_coffee

The altitude numbers quoted in this post don’t make sense. Himalayas are a LOT higher than 2000 meters? 

I’ve trekked to Everest Base Camp - that’s at nearly 5500 meters and you walk there - no mountain climbing - the surrounding mountains  on the way and up there are all 6000/7000/ and 8000 meters plus for the big ones!

In Nepal they call anything under 6000 meters a “hill”!

The Tibetan plateau on the other side of the hymalayas is all 4500-5000m+ as well.

I think the lowest pass into Tibet is over 4500 meters and most of them are over 5000m?

brednog

This looks suspiciously ai generated. I hope it’s not, but if it is, then it’s ironic how you’re posting about future water problems while using up fresh water on posting this.

lovelifelivelife


Seems some advection is normal and this is by no means new... what am I missing?

- Dong, W., Lin, R., Wright, J.S., Ming, Y., Xie, Y. (2016).  
  *Summer rainfall over the southwestern Tibetan Plateau controlled by moisture transport from the Indian monsoon.*  
  [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4786685/](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4786685/)  
  - Shows that summer rainfall in SW Tibet is largely fed by “up-and-over” transport of Indian monsoon moisture.  
  - Moisture rises on southern Himalayan slopes, then is advected across into Tibet.  
  - Contradicts the idea of the Himalayas as an impenetrable wall.  

- Dong, W., Lin, R., Ming, Y., Xie, Y. (2017).  
  *Indian Monsoon Low-Pressure Systems Feed Up-and-Over Moisture to Southwestern Tibetan Plateau.*  
  [https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017JD027296](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017JD027296)  
  - Finds that Indian monsoon low-pressure systems frequently transport moisture into SW Tibet.  
  - These synoptic events contribute substantially to rainfall on the plateau.  
  - Again shows monsoon moisture has crossed before, so “first-ever” is inaccurate.  

- Ma, Y., Zhong, L., Su, Z., Ishikawa, H., Ma, W. (2018).  
  *Atmospheric moisture transport versus precipitation across the Tibetan Plateau.*  
  [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0169809518300498](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0169809518300498)  
  - Uses models and reanalysis to quantify moisture sources for the Plateau.  
  - Confirms that Indian monsoon transport is one of several contributors, alongside westerlies.  
  - Demonstrates that monsoon-derived moisture advection into Tibet is not new.  

- Li, C., Yanai, M., Bao, X. (2016).  
  *Water vapor transport around the Tibetan Plateau and its controls.*  
  [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13351-016-5123-1](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13351-016-5123-1)  
  - Examines seasonal and synoptic moisture fluxes around the Plateau.  
  - Highlights terrain effects, but also shows how transport routes channel moisture into southern and eastern Tibet.  
  - Undercuts the claim that Tibet has always been sealed off from monsoon flow.  

- Tada, R., Zheng, H., Clift, P.D. (2016).  
  *Evolution and variability of the Asian monsoon and its influence by the Himalaya–Tibetan Plateau uplift.*  
  [https://progearthplanetsci.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40645-016-0080-y](https://progearthplanetsci.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40645-016-0080-y)  
  - Paleoclimate and modeling evidence: monsoon–plateau interactions have varied over millions of years.  
  - Moisture pathways into Tibet have shifted with Himalayan uplift and climate phases.  
  - Shows precedent for monsoon moisture reaching Tibet, even in geological history.

platistocrates

Some news stories on this:

\- [https://www.etvbharat.com/en/!bharat/himalayan-shield-weakening-monsoon-winds-crossing-into-tibet-worrying-signs-for-india-say-experts-enn25090900610](https://www.etvbharat.com/en/!bharat/himalayan-shield-weakening-monsoon-winds-crossing-into-tibet-worrying-signs-for-india-say-experts-enn25090900610)

\- [https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/monsoon-miracle-or-meteorological-disaster-southwest-winds-defy-himalayan-barrier-reach-tibet/ar-AA1Mi693](https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/monsoon-miracle-or-meteorological-disaster-southwest-winds-defy-himalayan-barrier-reach-tibet/ar-AA1Mi693)

Exact_Most

Sooo, climate change means Tibet will become fertile?

ImpossibleDraft7208

Why get ai to write this? Please just write your own posts. They don’t have to be perfectly structured ai slop. It’s obvious. It undermines the sense of sincerity of your post and undermines trust readers have in your words. Just write. Just try. It’ll be fine.

syc0rax

BaconDoubleBurger

Please stop using AI to write posts. I assure you that you can do a better job than it can.

Neddalee

Speaking of history books, since we only know what's been recorded, you might want to stop using the word EVER in caps like you know it for a fact.  Even studying climate history doesn't preclude this happening just once before due to events that weren't significant enough to leave evidence.

intulor

Marigold16

of course no one heard about it.  everyone is too busy talking about a fascist scumbag being murdered.

Strict_Ad_101

What happens when climate becomes unlivable for a billion people? They migrate …

wheelie46

My guess is that this kind of information has been banned in the US under the new administration.

April_Fabb

You should disclose that you used AI to create this post.

MarkusMannheim

Engineers that design roofing and drainage systems have a way of incorporating probability of big weather events into their designs. They talk about the one in a hundred year storm and the one in a thousand years storm.
Some less critical things might be designed to handle a one in twenty years storm, but not a one in a hundred years storm. Really critical things like big dams and nuclear power stations might have to be designed to handle a one in a thousand years storm.

So what do you mean by for the first time EVER? Is it the first time in living memory, the first time since detailed meteorological records have been recorded? Often such records only go back 50 years or so, especially in places like Tibet.

To say it is for the first time EVER you're clearly scaremongering. You only have to look at most flood plains to see that much of it has never been flooded in living memory yet the evidence is there that it has happened loads of times in the past.

Now if it happens again next year and the year after then you have real evidence to ask why isn't it in the news.

You might want to write me off as a climate change denier but you would be dead wrong. I just think hyping up individual events as evidence of climate change is counter productive. People see the obvious attemp at manipulation and go the other way. The result is the hyperpolarisation we see today.

grahamsuth

Beneficial_Aside_518

This kind of breathless, inaccurate, grammatically weird, AI-infused hyperbole is not helpful.

angelplasma

The first time ever? You don't know that.

ratherBeSpearFishing

I promise you it has happened before, and likely many times. It's just that our records only go back a few hundred years. 

Safe_Roll3964

This is insane but we can’t call it climate, yet. This is just freaky weather. Now if it keeps happening and we develop a pattern then it’s a big concern.

“Scientists consider this event unusual, but more research is needed to understand its long-term effects. Roxy Mathew Koll stated, “We need to determine if this is an anomalous event or a permanent effect of climate change.” Raghu Murtugudde suggested that an analysis of Himalayan topography based on satellite images is necessary to understand the moisture pathways.”

As for now it’s an interesting anomaly. If this keeps up it could have consequences and change the landscape.

Gentle_method

Food security for billions seems like it should be a bigger priority.

v022450781

and the Pacific did not get its annual deep-cold water upswell, which delivers much nutrients to the surface.

TheRedOcelot1

Meanwhile here in the midwest USA there are data centers running 30+ NG turbines and pulling 1 MILLION gallons of water a week out of aquafers to power AI chat bots. We are killing ourselves as fast as we can without using nukes.

Copper_Lontra

Things are speeding up. Catastrophic permanent climate changes aren’t spoken of in terms of ‘if’ anymore but ‘when’. And when is consistently sooner than projected.

Europe’s expecting an ice age now that the ocean currents bringing us warmth are slowing and expected to stop.

Prestigious_Leg2229

isn’t this good? monsoon is too wet for india and causes a lot of flooding so if some of that goes to bone dry tibet—win win?

xrp_oldie

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Maybe also try in I think it’s r/disasterupdate

Edit yeah that’s the group. I’d definitely mention it in that group too

Own_Ad6901

Not sure how you figure this is going to massively impact India’s monsoons? The rains are still going to come up from the Indian Ocean.

Active-Task-6970

But muh third rate Goebbels got shot 😢

DiligentCorvid

People are generally too stupid where I live to even know what a monsoon is. They can’t point out Tibet on a map. They would literally hear this and think “big deal it rains in lots of places”. That’s why we’ll never have meaningful discussion or action on climate change. People are too stupid for the discussion.

Kattymcgie

I don't get it. As long as the Himalayas are there, they will still act as a HUGE trap of moisture. Seems more like something that will happen occasionally when the circumstances are right.

Mach5Driver

LOL!!!!!   "for the first time EVER".  Give me a break.  Do you really believe that?

Confident-Staff-8792

Maybe India will stop overpopulating and wasting/polluting all their water.  We can hope.

regaphysics

Unlikely to be a common occurrence. With weather, never say never.

Fotoman54

Ah yes, the “never before seen” pattern change when humans have only been paying attention for a minuscule blip in the history of the planet.

Lordsaxon73

On the plus side this could cause significant glaciation on the tibetan plateau

cybercuzco

For one year in a row this has happened and a billion years of rain fell in 24 hours.

earth-calling-karma

Some regions of the Atacama have been suspected to have not had major rainfall for millions of years, allowing for incredible geological formations and a time capsule effect. I wonder what climate change will cause us to lose in the near future?

BiologicalTrainWreck

Worst part is that Modi will probably call this fake news.

WillistheWillow

Proof that the Maldives will be underwater next year. Seriously this time.

Ok_Main_20

WOW! Using like allcaps and lowkey trendy white people PHRASES  totally like makes this post insanely believable,  y'all!

DanoPinyon

What do you mean by “19 western disturbances”?

spark99l

scorpiomover

Nathan-Stubblefield

Narendra Modi is probably doing everything possible to prevent the apocalypse for his citizens!  /s

Bill_Troamill

Does this mean that the India subcontinent will dry up and undergo desertification?

reckaband

I’m not an expert but these feels like the dramatic shift losing the AMOC would be, even if less impactful! WTF. 

Thanks for this info!! I’m going to see what GPT comes up with, just for the bantz!

Reallyboringname2

Personal_Win_4127

Quick how do we change the earth rotation,,p8vooottt.

Old_Park1688

First time recorded does not mean first time occurred!

doc-sci

Most-Inflation-4370

Your statement implies a heat inversion 2000+ meters high.  The Himalayas have peaks over four times that height.  Is that moisture from inside the warmer level or is it directly from the ocean?  Since elevations are so high, the only way I see significant atmospheric moisture entering the region would be through northern India and Tajikistan.  This is what happened and lingered for over a week because of a convective anticyclone over western China.  It would be interesting to see rainfall totals in Hotan, China, a place that averages a little over one inch per year, mainly from subtropical disturbances during the summer.  I bet that whole region is flourishing with life at the moment.

Sea-Louse

How do you know this is the first time EVER?

Bear in mind you only know about it because someone got lucky looking at satellite data.

Vegetable-Egg-1646

poundablepeach

GoreonmyGears

....its not being destroyed just somewhere else is getting it. Glad the world is adjusting.

Outrageous_Bite4998

there was an ancient river that nutured the harappan civilization.

it dried up

jeremiahthedamned

I thought the Tibetan plateau used to be super fertile and they had a strong army because of that and then climate change occurred and it dried out and their farms failed. OP is claiming it was dry since pre humans, not sure what to believe. 

hlebbb

jhnnadm

foober735

__shallal__

Late-Boysenberry3100

This gets posted once every few weeks just fyi, there’s a pretty extensive history of replies to look through if you search!

teuerkatze

I have climbed k2 twice.its not for the faint if heart and the most experienced climbers fall to there deaths with just one mistake.not to mention unforeseeable storms or falling rocks. If you are climbing with a team that can also pose serious life threatening scenarios. I am very lucky to have my life.take it from me,don't climb it unless you can except the fact you may just die...

Ok-Big-4791

Mailbox for sure 

(I dont live in the states and actually have no idea where this is, but I see it get memed pretty often so it must be right)

The Ogre, Latok, Kunyang Kish, Namcha Barwa, Gaurishankar, K1, G4, Muztagh Tower, Jannu, Chogolisa, Rakaposhi, k6, k12, Link Shar, Trivor.... and many more unmentioned.

Pentaxk1

I think it would depend on what you mean by difficulty. Do you mean dangerous, or physically tiring, or requiring significant technical skill to complete? There's even legal barriers for some mountains, so in a sense those are difficult to climb because no one has been allowed to. Theres also a lot of context that matters, like is the route set with fixed lines, or are you setting the route? Do you have support like porters or guides, or are you self-supported? Are you using supplemental oxygen? K2 is definitely not easy, but its hard to say what is the most difficult mountain. For example, I think Kristin Harila was trying to set the 14 peak record last year and if I remember correctly, she said Manaslu was the hardest of the ones she summited, due to conditions

matt800

Muchu Chhish. 7,000er that has never been climbed. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/travel/article/muchu-chhish-world-highest-unclimbed-mountain-pakistan/index.html

Klaus5115

Annapurna, Kanchenjunga, Nanga Parbat, Nanda Devi more dangerous than K2

Shivaji2121

I guess the question  really is, which is the hardest mountain via its easiest route. 

I always thought G4 should be included in this conversation

Appropriate_Ad7858

K2 has become so much easier with the guides setting better ropes. Gilberstein made it look simple. 

The real challenge is the Second Hardest Summits. Nobody has completed this list. 

https://www.peakbagger.com/list.aspx?lid=-941122&amp;cid=16943

Aardark235

I feel like Kanchenjunga is. Its less known, remote, not commercialized, long route, 3rd highest peak, and technical climbs

Any_Kaleidoscope_451

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Boredaf____16

The hardest gotta be the Om parvat cuz nbdy has climbed it yet. Some professionals tried to climb it but there gps got messed up mid climb and they had to return and those guys died after like 2-3 years cuz of accelerated aging.This mountain is believed to be the resting place of a Hindu god so because of that it is illegal to climb now.

HalfZealousideal1577

Probably also helps the Tibetan plateau is mostly above 12,000 feet above sea level.

Roadman90

I live in Dhaka. Its so hot here. You get dehydrated totally if you go outside for even 5 minutes

Sazidafn

The Himalayas are no joke. Tallest and Youngest Mountain Range in the World.

Because maybe

You're gonna be the one that cools me

And after all

You're my weatherwall

algebramclain

Completely missed the opportunity to title this post "So anyway, here's weather wall "

bingold49

_erufu_

I can't imagine living in 40 celsius temperature

JaSper-percabeth

We have a very similar weather wall on the west coast of Canada. At sea level along the coast, Vancouver can be 5 to 10 degrees and rainy in winter. But if you drive inland, it can suddenly drop to -10 to -15 and snowy.

Summertime? Same thing. Vancouver might be 20 degrees. But inland, it can spike to 30 (sometimes even 35) degrees, depending on your timing.

Not as extreme as the Himalayas, but still pretty noticeable. Gotta love those mountains.

buckyhermit

Indians and Filipinos in 40°C heat: *laughs while drinking coffee*

THATguywhoisannoying

Nepal be like; half of me is deathly hot, the other half is nice shorts weather.

No_Talk_4836

uh_buh

If it's 40°C/104°F in India then how am I wearing a blanket.

Idontknowlukas

No, there's no "wall", it's just that north of the Himalayas is Tibet, which is 3 km above sea level so it's colder.  The air above India at 3 km altitude is the same temperature.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/700hPa/overlay=temp/orthographic=72.54,34.75,848

agate_

* sees the number 104 *
Fellow Phineas and Ferb fans, assemble!

MarioHasCookies

We have one of these in the US as well! Round here we call it the Sioux Falls Weather wall. 

https://imgur.com/a/iNLEfk9

ixikei

KingKohishi

I wonder if that 20C yellow band has any good spots to live?

flafotogeek

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