Public sentiment surrounding the Saudi-Pakistan defense pact is deeply polarized, with many in Pakistan expressing strong support and viewing it as a strategic gain, while a substantial number of Indian commenters exhibit concern and criticism about regional security implications and India's diplomatic status. Key themes include national pride, skepticism about the pact's effectiveness, and apprehensions about potential escalations against non-Muslim nations. The discourse indicates a mixture of optimism for Muslim unity and anxiety over changing geopolitical dynamics.

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I was already under the impression that Saudi Arabia already had a mutual pact with Pakistan.

Able_Rice8348

I’m genuinely curious about how this would work logistically. 

Just geographically speaking, I can’t imagine Pakistan or Saudi Arabia having a strong enough naval presence for significant troop deployments to each other’s territory. 

I suppose the partnership will likely rely less on personnel and more on nuclear protection and financial assistance. 

Definitely seems a lot less existential and ironclad than other mutual defense pacts.

PallecianCitizen

Welp, new nation to beg for more money I guess.

Thegenius0

Dokja_23

Didn't Pak threaten Israel of consequences if they attack iran ? ( At least the news said so) 

But what exactly happened? Israel and US both striked Iran and Pak was just a mere spectator.

the_inquisitivesoul

Saudi owes Pakistan for this song created by them

https://youtu.be/Ad05v-7dEFc?si=7Nyqfv96YrNugwBX

700Username007

So let me this right, India called the Pakistani nuclear bluff, smoked their airbases and Saudi expects them to nuke Israel? without any consequences

Isnt the whole army and nikes run on American command? Good luck Mr Mecca

reg7350

Hold my beer. India smoked Pakistan without crossing border without stealth capabilities, and somehow, the same Pakistan will defend Saudi from Israel who posses the F35?? Yeah good luck with that.

mightyn0mad

Pakistan?? 😂 

We all know it was the Saudi royals who funded the nuclear weapon program for Pakistan…however let’s be real now!! What can Pakistan possibly do if Saudi is “somehow” attacked. 

Now if Pakistan and India get into it again (it will happen) what are the Royals going to do?? 

This political theater is highly comical.

Efficient_Resist_287

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So now if Saudi goes into war with Israel, Pakistan military can fight it. great move by Saudi. But bad choice of friends.

moneyzone7

This is another angle to get some $$ from Saudia - if they think they have license to send terrorists to India, forget about it. Saudi wont intervene and if they do, you have a much bigger fish to fry

Pakistan has lost all wars with India, they only bully the afghan side

RealisticBread5778

Sad for my nation ,as there will be money going in the hands of pakistani militery more teerror attcks will happen    in my nation against civilans just like old times middleast tensions  so its a sad news for my nation

hardquoter

India will bomb Mecca with a couple of Bramhos if Saudi Arabia ever thinks about actually supporting Pakistan.

some_blood_drip

So other countries can do that, but Ukraine or Georgia can't?

Unable-Assist9894

It seems inevitable that Saudi Arabia will get a nuke sooner rather than later. And once the oil money dries up, a nuclear armed Balkanized nation in the heart of Islamist territory… hoo boy.

JackC1126

My Question is "Will Saudi get involved in the next India Pak fiasco? "If yes, in what capacity and extent. If not why not.

Happy_Comfortable

This will benefit both countries and I think more will join soon.

protonsters

Indians fuck off ugly smelly people everywhere 🤮

Remote_Cupcake_6255

comments make it look like an indian subreddit

Llamaisagay

Pak forces have been training arabs for a long time. How do you think PAF knows every ins and outs of Rafales xD

izigo

Pakistan becoming the new USA, but the good guys. We're gonna have Pakistani bases all over the middle east, lets goo.

No_Doctor_219

I acknowledge your optimism and like the way you built the argument.

but what would be this place if their no alternate view?

Defence pacts of the GCC counties are only on paper or against Iran and its proxies.

people bitching at Pakistani Shamsi base being used by CIA ignire the fact that entire Saudi defence setup is run and managed by Americans.

No GCC country is allowed to fly its fighter jets without American approval and conduct multinational exercises without clearence. this is why, to date, Qataris have not launched any retaliation against Israelis , let alone persue the Israelies although Qataris have 4.5 generation jets like Rafales and F15s

nothing much has changed since that attack because Saudis continue to lrovide missile defence shield to Israelis. if someone points out, "Hey , these air defence batteries are operated by Americans, then I will say ,Exactly do you expect Saudis to do anything better than Qataris other than a written condemnation.


Saudis have not forgiven us for not sending troops for their brital campaign in Yemen, Saudis are also the ones who advised us to stand down and not to tespond to Indians or else we will lose their financial aid.

these people are legendary in keeping their grudges. they still remember the blunder of Imran khan, who tried to join a Turkish Malaysclub excluding Saudis while he was using the jet gifted by Saudis. zhey immediately demanded the plane back.

Moving on, with billions of dollars invested in India and trillions of dollars of treasury bonds held in America, I don't know what they expect from a country like ours that is still facing floods and increased terrorism sponsored by India. 

my cynical self says all those verbal condrmations and diplomatic posturing are for their public consumption. , they are complicit with Israelis and Americans. 

their bases are  occupied by Americans, and as you pointed out,  Saudis despise hard work and training. I shudder to think what they intend to use us for.

are we meant to bring our jets from Pakistan? the biggest danger to Pakistani jets will be from Americans operating the patriot batteries and their forces deployed at sea and land.

I wish honestly that I am proven wrong but looking at how these Arabs have shown their indifference to Palestinians and staged music show. dances and gifts for Americans. I have little to no hope for this defence pact.

AppointmentRoyal5348

bigzee76

I know y'all sound pretty excited, but what are the contents on this Defence Pact? Are any statements from either side detailing what was it they actually signed for? I'm assuming our nukes were sorta on a sale or rent type of agreement right?

k3yserZ

Mammoth-Molasses-878

I think your wrong about Saudis coming to to learn at military institutes in Pakistan. Pakistani generals and high-ranking members of their armed forces mostly get military training in U.S OR UKs Sandhurst military academy Asim Munir being one of them. The Saudis are also looking for cannon fodder that will die for ummah.

Admirable-Pension-57

Arabs needs to get out of US shadow first which I doubt they will.

legendkiller345

This only means a major war with Iran is a certainty in the near future, and Saudis are securing their backs (and throwing us a major $$ bone in the process, coz lets be honest what else can the Saudis do if India attacks us in Op. Tadoor 2.0??)

Our powers that be have always survived on armed regional conflicts that's their lifeline, and this agreement is heralding another major regional war and inflow of $$ in the country. Also I'm confident this has the blessings of uncle Sam and their Overlords in Jerusalem.

kinkybriefcase22

Regional footprint? Lmao what sort of delusions do you live in. The saudis are simply buying our soldiers for money nothing more. What exactly do we have to gain from the saudis? Their "all American" equipment that the US would definitely sanction using.

At the end of the day this is just going to make "certain" people very rich.

Jaded_Rou

The Saudis have already wanted to be pimps for our military prowess, they just have an excuse now. Modi went to Saudi and he was given a grander welcome than any of our leaders could imagine. If anybody thinks they're gonna cross India directly in case India attacks us is delusional. Pakistani generals don't care if we lose pakistani lives to protect another country, they'll be perfectly fine doing that for that oil money

daniboi10

786367

Don't be deluded.

Pakistan is a pariah state with corruption from top to bottom.

Carry on being the lapdogs and slaves of Arab masters.

GreenHass

Lolz. 

Bro, what did you smoke today? Mujhay bhi le do yehi wala maal.

smoqs

Arab armies are weak, as the rulers greatest fear is that of coupe ,  hence they are not allowed to do combined arms training.


Pakistan does not fear a military take over as it is already controlled by the military.

I will believe it when Arab defence procurement includes joint ventures and weapons made by Pakistan.

Muted-Landscape-2717

Its a win win for both definitely, disclaimer: I'm a Saudi in the RSAF.

Saudi Arabia would provide financial investment that Pakistan can only dream of, on top of that the Saudi RSAF is decent enough and was tested for long enough the past decade.

As for Pakistan, they have been working as instructors in ALL fields of ALL Saudi military branches from the navy to the RSAF for decades. We already are familiar and have mutual synergy for long enough. 

And most importantly, Pakistan have a depth in their military branches and a manpower that Saudi Arabia relatively lacks. Also goes without mention, NUKES.

Lastly, we're both Sunni Muslims who are in touch with our religion mostly, not just "culturally" Muslim. 

Those South Asians living as refugees in some western country would love to make you believe otherwise, but real ass Pakistani people in Pakistan have loyalty for Saudi Arabia due to Al-Haramin and real ass Saudis in the military have deep respect for Pakistan due to all of them being trained by a several Pakistanis in their lives. 

tl;dr This is great news for both Saudis and Pakistanis.

awoothray

Not sure what Saudi can provide Pakistan here other than money. This is obviously geared towards deterring any future Israeli aggression, but how would this even work if India attacks Pakistan? 

I have a hard time believing Saudi would send any military force, maybe allowing Pakistan to use intelligence assets, and/or sending materiel?

Longjumping-Fail-248

India taking L's will continue until morale improves.

JoJoeyJoJo

Shows how damaged Saudi-Israel informal relations are with India seemingly an unintended casualty rather than Saudi Arabia intentionally antagonizing India. Still, the effects are the same. 

India either has to double down on Israel ties &amp; risk crucial labour &amp; energy relations with the Gulf countries who are increasingly souring on Israel or start to distance itself from Israel (condemning the Israeli strike on Qatar may have been the first step but who knows?).

Still_There3603

How does this impact Iran? They're not allies but aren't they close?

drperky22

Would be interesting to see how India and Iran would be reacting to this. Indian MEA has already released a media statement.

The only way I can see this working is Saudi funding Pak and oil and Pak probably helping them in case against Iran. What are Saudis gonna do in an Ind-Pak conflict?

Secondly, Pak's nukes are mostly tactical and they don't have IRBMs or ICBMs to provide an umbrella to SA.

CarmynRamy

Uh, i doubt that should be considered as nuclear detterence, i don't know what the official text about it says but when France, UK, or the US sign a mutal defence pact nuclear detterence is not to be expected except if it's planned.

SraminiElMejorBeaver

Hope this becomes multilateral and add the rest of the GCC, Iran, and Turkey.

nikkythegreat

I'm curious to see how this pans out. Protection under Pakistans nuclear umbrella sounds good until you realize how much strategic depth they lack. I wonder if they end up inking a nuke sharing agreement for that reason, ala nato.

LoonieMoony

Aren't all of Pakistan's warheads itty bitty tactical nukes? That aside, would Israel even have to retaliate against Pakistan themselves or would the US beat them to it?

jellobowlshifter

'An attack on either will be attack on both ' is a VERY major agreement if committed to

ZT3_rebirth

Very important to do after the Qatar attack. The U.S. cannot be a single point of failure for this region given how far the U.S. is willing to go to support Israel.

xerxesgm

This means something given Pakistan have nukes… that has the be the underlying pretext of all of this. Israel will need to treat ksa as having quasi nuclear deterrence

woolcoat

In an ideal world which we obviously don't live in, then Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, and the entire Arab League should all be united together against Israeli aggression.

Public-Word-917

Appreciated move! 

I'm somewhat glad pakistanis was building nukes lol

Expensive_Poop

Smart deterrent strategy on part of Saudi when it comes to regional actors, I don’t see it holding up against the US or Euro coalition but would be happy to be proven wrong God forbid it ever happens

DiskoB0

TrueFill1994

I think this is a great step forward towards a better future for middle east.

Hxn1234

M_Arslan9

Straight_Koala_3444

Saudi Arabia saw Israel bombing Qatar &amp; signed the agreement without any doubt.

Responsible-Check-92

If lsraeI attacks Pak, I doubt KSA will defend them

HelpM3Sl33p

What if another Muslim country is framed for a false attack by Israel or the USA? That would be an awkward situation for both countries!

A13u13akar

a double edged sword, it can both be good against the colonial genocidal state of \*classified\* but also be something that causes bloodshed of innocent people in afghanistan, yemen, and other places where KSA is oppressing people

RoundEarther78

I don't believe it to be honest. Even if it's signed, Saudi or any Arab nation would be first to take side of India and break this agreement in an Indo Pak conflict. Arabs and India are deeply bonded and no Pakistan can come in between that bond. This looks more like a MOU which would never be realized. Or realized only one way where Pakistan defends Arabs while Arabs strengthen India against Pakistan.

blackthunderstorm1

This time again Pakistan will fight their war, get their soldiers killed while Saudi Arabia will keep treating them like slaves and cheap labor. Pakistan will get nothing out of it. People who cannot protect their own bloodline in the region, why would they ever protect Pakistan? Pakistan should learn to have a self respect.

Specific_Cheetah_776

It’s just a way to drag Pakistan into Yemen mess.

TangerineMaximus92

I hope it doesn't strain India and KSA ties.

_Ultra_Magnus_

Looking at the statements and actions taken by Muslim governments after attack on Qatar(and all the other MENA countries) I don’t think it will have any significance and I don’t think they will be really committed to that agreement.

I do however think that these alliances make sense. And the oil money from gulf countries can be that way distributed to other Muslim countries that have more strategic depth gulf countries in return for said strategic depth.

mckenna36

Bad decision of KSA  , they opened new front for pakistan ,also pak nukes are managed by usa , we saw that during ind pak clash when india stuck pak nuclear storage kairana hills .

Beneficial-Dig2777

The Pakistani regimes ( army..) has always used it's men as a cheap mercenary force for the richer Arab GCC countries. Their defence forces are filled with Pakistani recruits who get paid way less and is considered cannon fodder in case of a conflict. It's been on since the time of Zia. Look at the Yemen conflict. Or when riots happened in Bahrain. Pakistani men are used to quash anti Sunni protests. It's primarily a cheap source of Pro- Sunni legionnaires. The top brass of Pak army and a few politicians make a good earning on this. Some poor Pakistani dude dies on foreign soil and family gets a few thousand dollars. And still boys queue up when some Khaleeji army has a recruitment drive in Karachi or Lahore. 
Many of these countries give a few of them citizenships if they are Sunni to help skew the demographic - and they are openly treated as second or even third class citizens.

FineService2166

Beggars can’t choosers, neither they can be protectors.

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