Public sentiment is mixed, with a strong underlying pride in Pakistan's military diplomacy and ties within the Muslim world, while skepticism regarding the pact's motivations and implications is prevalent, particularly among Indian commenters. Concerns regarding potential military escalations, sovereignty issues, and being drawn into conflicts add complexity to the discourse, reflecting a nuanced, socially charged response to the defense pact.

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Pak forces have been training arabs for a long time. How do you think PAF knows every ins and outs of Rafales xD

izigo

bigzee76

I know y'all sound pretty excited, but what are the contents on this Defence Pact? Are any statements from either side detailing what was it they actually signed for? I'm assuming our nukes were sorta on a sale or rent type of agreement right?

k3yserZ

Mammoth-Molasses-878

I acknowledge your optimism and like the way you built the argument.

but what would be this place if their no alternate view?

Defence pacts of the GCC counties are only on paper or against Iran and its proxies.

people bitching at Pakistani Shamsi base being used by CIA ignire the fact that entire Saudi defence setup is run and managed by Americans.

No GCC country is allowed to fly its fighter jets without American approval and conduct multinational exercises without clearence. this is why, to date, Qataris have not launched any retaliation against Israelis , let alone persue the Israelies although Qataris have 4.5 generation jets like Rafales and F15s

nothing much has changed since that attack because Saudis continue to lrovide missile defence shield to Israelis. if someone points out, "Hey , these air defence batteries are operated by Americans, then I will say ,Exactly do you expect Saudis to do anything better than Qataris other than a written condemnation.


Saudis have not forgiven us for not sending troops for their brital campaign in Yemen, Saudis are also the ones who advised us to stand down and not to tespond to Indians or else we will lose their financial aid.

these people are legendary in keeping their grudges. they still remember the blunder of Imran khan, who tried to join a Turkish Malaysclub excluding Saudis while he was using the jet gifted by Saudis. zhey immediately demanded the plane back.

Moving on, with billions of dollars invested in India and trillions of dollars of treasury bonds held in America, I don't know what they expect from a country like ours that is still facing floods and increased terrorism sponsored by India. 

my cynical self says all those verbal condrmations and diplomatic posturing are for their public consumption. , they are complicit with Israelis and Americans. 

their bases are  occupied by Americans, and as you pointed out,  Saudis despise hard work and training. I shudder to think what they intend to use us for.

are we meant to bring our jets from Pakistan? the biggest danger to Pakistani jets will be from Americans operating the patriot batteries and their forces deployed at sea and land.

I wish honestly that I am proven wrong but looking at how these Arabs have shown their indifference to Palestinians and staged music show. dances and gifts for Americans. I have little to no hope for this defence pact.

AppointmentRoyal5348

Arabs needs to get out of US shadow first which I doubt they will.

legendkiller345

This only means a major war with Iran is a certainty in the near future, and Saudis are securing their backs (and throwing us a major $$ bone in the process, coz lets be honest what else can the Saudis do if India attacks us in Op. Tadoor 2.0??)

Our powers that be have always survived on armed regional conflicts that's their lifeline, and this agreement is heralding another major regional war and inflow of $$ in the country. Also I'm confident this has the blessings of uncle Sam and their Overlords in Jerusalem.

kinkybriefcase22

Regional footprint? Lmao what sort of delusions do you live in. The saudis are simply buying our soldiers for money nothing more. What exactly do we have to gain from the saudis? Their "all American" equipment that the US would definitely sanction using.

At the end of the day this is just going to make "certain" people very rich.

Jaded_Rou

Pakistan becoming the new USA, but the good guys. We're gonna have Pakistani bases all over the middle east, lets goo.

No_Doctor_219

The Saudis have already wanted to be pimps for our military prowess, they just have an excuse now. Modi went to Saudi and he was given a grander welcome than any of our leaders could imagine. If anybody thinks they're gonna cross India directly in case India attacks us is delusional. Pakistani generals don't care if we lose pakistani lives to protect another country, they'll be perfectly fine doing that for that oil money

daniboi10

786367

I think your wrong about Saudis coming to to learn at military institutes in Pakistan. Pakistani generals and high-ranking members of their armed forces mostly get military training in U.S OR UKs Sandhurst military academy Asim Munir being one of them. The Saudis are also looking for cannon fodder that will die for ummah.

Admirable-Pension-57

Arab armies are weak, as the rulers greatest fear is that of coupe ,  hence they are not allowed to do combined arms training.


Pakistan does not fear a military take over as it is already controlled by the military.

I will believe it when Arab defence procurement includes joint ventures and weapons made by Pakistan.

Muted-Landscape-2717

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Aside from everything else I've mentioned, there is one more thing. Pakistans fight with Israel is inevitable. And our current arsenal is not capable of reaching them from our stations. If we're pushed into a similar situation as Iran, no regional allies and constant airstrikes, missiles being intercepted before reaching target, we will be backing ourselves into a corner. Ensuring a good deal with Saudi Arabia is a good step to decrease the impact of involvement of American defences from various stations in the middle east

Alarming_Treacle_107

I don’t think it was our ‘brain child’. We were just at the right place and at the right time. Saudia was concerned after Doha attack and needed to diverse its defence options, and we were happy to oblige that’s it.

Also I’m more concerned on how Saudia’s proxy wars will affect Pakistan after this pact? Will we be considered a part of all that?

Successful_Way5926

Lolz. 

Bro, what did you smoke today? Mujhay bhi le do yehi wala maal.

smoqs

Don't be deluded.

Pakistan is a pariah state with corruption from top to bottom.

Carry on being the lapdogs and slaves of Arab masters.

GreenHass

'An attack on either will be attack on both ' is a VERY major agreement if committed to

ZT3_rebirth

Very important to do after the Qatar attack. The U.S. cannot be a single point of failure for this region given how far the U.S. is willing to go to support Israel.

xerxesgm

This means something given Pakistan have nukes… that has the be the underlying pretext of all of this. Israel will need to treat ksa as having quasi nuclear deterrence

woolcoat

In an ideal world which we obviously don't live in, then Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, and the entire Arab League should all be united together against Israeli aggression.

Appreciated move! 

I'm somewhat glad pakistanis was building nukes lol

Expensive_Poop

Smart deterrent strategy on part of Saudi when it comes to regional actors, I don’t see it holding up against the US or Euro coalition but would be happy to be proven wrong God forbid it ever happens

DiskoB0

I think this is a great step forward towards a better future for middle east.

Hxn1234

M_Arslan9

Straight_Koala_3444

TrueFill1994

Saudi Arabia saw Israel bombing Qatar &amp; signed the agreement without any doubt.

Responsible-Check-92

If lsraeI attacks Pak, I doubt KSA will defend them

HelpM3Sl33p

What if another Muslim country is framed for a false attack by Israel or the USA? That would be an awkward situation for both countries!

A13u13akar

I hope the donkeys in Kabul and Kandahar think even more so before backing ethnic-insurgents in Pakistan even more so now.

Insignificant_Letter

Its not just that, more will join this lmao

AJ_Misk

Looking at the statements and actions taken by Muslim governments after attack on Qatar(and all the other MENA countries) I don’t think it will have any significance and I don’t think they will be really committed to that agreement.

I do however think that these alliances make sense. And the oil money from gulf countries can be that way distributed to other Muslim countries that have more strategic depth gulf countries in return for said strategic depth.

mckenna36

I don't believe it to be honest. Even if it's signed, Saudi or any Arab nation would be first to take side of India and break this agreement in an Indo Pak conflict. Arabs and India are deeply bonded and no Pakistan can come in between that bond. This looks more like a MOU which would never be realized. Or realized only one way where Pakistan defends Arabs while Arabs strengthen India against Pakistan.

blackthunderstorm1

This time again Pakistan will fight their war, get their soldiers killed while Saudi Arabia will keep treating them like slaves and cheap labor. Pakistan will get nothing out of it. People who cannot protect their own bloodline in the region, why would they ever protect Pakistan? Pakistan should learn to have a self respect.

Specific_Cheetah_776

The Pakistani regimes ( army..) has always used it's men as a cheap mercenary force for the richer Arab GCC countries. Their defence forces are filled with Pakistani recruits who get paid way less and is considered cannon fodder in case of a conflict. It's been on since the time of Zia. Look at the Yemen conflict. Or when riots happened in Bahrain. Pakistani men are used to quash anti Sunni protests. It's primarily a cheap source of Pro- Sunni legionnaires. The top brass of Pak army and a few politicians make a good earning on this. Some poor Pakistani dude dies on foreign soil and family gets a few thousand dollars. And still boys queue up when some Khaleeji army has a recruitment drive in Karachi or Lahore. 
Many of these countries give a few of them citizenships if they are Sunni to help skew the demographic - and they are openly treated as second or even third class citizens.

FineService2166

It’s just a way to drag Pakistan into Yemen mess.

TangerineMaximus92

a double edged sword, it can both be good against the colonial genocidal state of \*classified\* but also be something that causes bloodshed of innocent people in afghanistan, yemen, and other places where KSA is oppressing people

RoundEarther78

I hope it doesn't strain India and KSA ties.

_Ultra_Magnus_

Bad decision of KSA  , they opened new front for pakistan ,also pak nukes are managed by usa , we saw that during ind pak clash when india stuck pak nuclear storage kairana hills .

Beneficial-Dig2777

Beggars can’t choosers, neither they can be protectors.

nargisi_koftay

Preparations are starting for the bombing of Mecca  and Medina.

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More like if Saudi gets attacked we step in and we if get attack they just sit on their asses like they usually do.

Thats-Slander

Pakistan defends them when something happens, and they “delegate” with the UN when we get attacked.

Last-Ranger

If they have left the long titles out which flatters no one but self, this could have been a text message!

arshhasan

Where was Saudi when India was attacking us? Oh wait they were making deals with India….. Bas dramay hain

Pale_Extreme_7042

Pakistan about to be dragged into the Saudi shitshow in Yemen

MrEfffsola

In any india v Pak prolonged war Saudis will side with India because of business. Saudis are about money - they have more investments in india than in Pakistan. Money trumps religion.

ProfAsmani

No doubt empty words. Watch the next time we get bombed by Modi India and see how MBS says nothing.

ForIAmTalonIV

Basically, they're afraid of getting b0mbed by Isra-hell &amp; they've hired us as their bodyguards.

These mf ayaash arabs can't even protect their a$$ nor have the guts to stand up for themselves...

They're like bahadur shah zafar who lost his kingdom bcz of excessive ayashi...

Mr_Puppetmaster

MBS wanting the back up of pakistani nukes and soldiers.

If Pakistan is attacked, don't be deluded in thinking that the Saudis will risk one of their Arab lives.

PakLivTO

does this mean kashmir is a lost cause? no way saudis agreed to mutual defense with us knowing there might be a conflict between us and india because of Kashmir.

Medium_Storage3437

Funny how many comments come from outside of Pakistan and speak as if they live there.

0ldman0

I wonder what happens when India attacks time to time

lilly_wonka61

We have to learn to respect ourselves first. They still treat us like slaves and beggars while we fight for them. This is a one way street where they didn’t even say a word against India.

Its just for the saudis to save themselves from israel/iran bombings, nothing much.

shahood123

Yeah that’s a trap to drag Pak in. Don’t fall for it. No way to verify if a covert attack. Meanwhile arabs signs deals with those who do missile attacks on Pak.

Ummah chummah lovers will cheer this but this means nothing, Saudis will drag us into their wars.

kaiser16122001

All I can say is it's useless hopium 😂😂🫣🫣

tired_of_learning

This agreement was already in place from long time, but made public once again, just to send message to Israel that we have Pakistan with us.

tanweer95

Saudi and UAE are the right hands of US.. Looks like US is using Saudi to team up with Pakistan, so Pakistan (the only nuclear muslim country) doesn't bother with Israel's future invasions of Lebanon, Syria, Jordon, etc. to ensure their dream of "greater Israel" comes true.

Sorry_Necessary_1385

Yeah right. If Pakistan gets attacked and push comes to shove, Saudis won't do jack to help us. Their interests are far too intertwined with the Indians...or maybe not?

Jango214

Paving ways to enter new members in Abraham accord.. like if one ally accept Israel (KSA) then another one (pak) automatically accept Israel

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goldy_bra_r

Imran Khan kept y'all out of such a bad agreement during the Yemen war now he's gone and Napak fauj is fucking everything he built.

MilanM4

I did not expect this.  This certainly is a development of note.

Will this deter further Indian aggression?  Will this bar Saudi Arabia from more advanced American weapons systems?  Will Saudi become a Chinese client going forward?  Will Pakistan be forced to accept Indian aggression in Kashmir or with regards to water supplies if Saudis don't see eye-to-eye on the threat it poses, compared to Indian business opportunities?

Will Saudi drag Pakistan into regional conflicts in Yemen or possibly with Iran?  Will this make any material difference to Israeli aggression in the region, especially if Saudi/Pak forces are employing more advanced Chinese systems like the J-35 and their assorted drone platforms?

Need to keep in mind, this is not an equal partnership.   Pakistan continues to need, and will need in the foreseeable future, cash to stay afloat.  Pakistan is not a productive nation, and so the skilled manpower nor the investment in third party weapons systems Pakistan can afford, and that will keep Pakistan dependent on Saudi.

Also need to keep in mind that an attack on one is an attack on the other is limited by the joint capabilities of both nations.  That doesn't mean an automatic response by either party to aggression...both may decide to suck it up and release a harshly worded statement instead.  

A more positive outcome would be a joint industrial-military complex funded by Saudis.  That would be a multi-decade project, though.  And Pakistan needs to carry its weight, as its current industrial output is pathetic given its size.

Like it's alliance with the West during the 80s, this will likely be a lost opportunity, because of the shit bags running Pakistan will treat it as a cash grab opportunity.  But these kinds of alliances is what it desperately needs.

Minute-Flan13

I just hope we don't get dragged into Yemen... good work still

armallahR1

They did issue same statement for Qatar, now what? 

And put your hand an your heart and tell me, if Pakistan is attacked by India again, will Saudi Arabia atleast give us their Eurofighters if not expell all Indians from their lands??

Dear_Specialist_6006

Not a bad thing, but only if ummah chumma crowd doesn't make into a ummah alliance nonsense, ofc Saudis are hard to trust and can't rely on them blindly , but if this serves as a deterrent against India from attacking us or Iran and Israel unnecessarily involving Saudis in their war ,then it's understandable,ofc this depends on if both Pakistan and Saudis truly help each other economically and militarily, hmare hukmaran agar awam ko skilled aur trained nhi bnate aur productive investments Mai paisai nhi lgate jisse logo ko rozgar mile air hum khud kam se Kam CHOTI MOTi cheezein to khud bnaein Sirf assembling ki bjaye,wrna this deal will only greatly harm us kyunke awein fazool ke phaddo Mai khud ko ek ummah chumma nonsense keliye involve krna

AccordingPeach5211

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OkMathematician3494

That is great news for Pakistan. Shahbaz Sharif deserves credit for elevating Pakistan on a global scale. But we need economic growth more than ever. 
  
In hindsight attacking Pakistan was the greatest mistake Modi made.

not_hairy_potter

Lord0500

I guess this means the next time a Houthi missile lands in Saudi Arabia we will Unleash The Boys on Yemen.

Who wants a plot in the future Defense Phase 1 in Sana’a or Aden?

DegnarOskold

Watch India attack you the next time and Saudi do a "strongly worded condemnation", while ramping up oil sales to India.

Aatrox_1

Not sure what Saudi can provide Pakistan here other than money. This is obviously geared towards deterring any future Israeli aggression, but how would this even work if India attacks Pakistan? 

I have a hard time believing Saudi would send any military force, maybe allowing Pakistan to use intelligence assets, and/or sending materiel?

Longjumping-Fail-248

Its a win win for both definitely, disclaimer: I'm a Saudi in the RSAF.

Saudi Arabia would provide financial investment that Pakistan can only dream of, on top of that the Saudi RSAF is decent enough and was tested for long enough the past decade.

As for Pakistan, they have been working as instructors in ALL fields of ALL Saudi military branches from the navy to the RSAF for decades. We already are familiar and have mutual synergy for long enough. 

And most importantly, Pakistan have a depth in their military branches and a manpower that Saudi Arabia relatively lacks. Also goes without mention, NUKES.

Lastly, we're both Sunni Muslims who are in touch with our religion mostly, not just "culturally" Muslim. 

Those South Asians living as refugees in some western country would love to make you believe otherwise, but real ass Pakistani people in Pakistan have loyalty for Saudi Arabia due to Al-Haramin and real ass Saudis in the military have deep respect for Pakistan due to all of them being trained by a several Pakistanis in their lives. 

tl;dr This is great news for both Saudis and Pakistanis.

awoothray

India taking L's will continue until morale improves.

JoJoeyJoJo

Shows how damaged Saudi-Israel informal relations are with India seemingly an unintended casualty rather than Saudi Arabia intentionally antagonizing India. Still, the effects are the same. 

India either has to double down on Israel ties &amp; risk crucial labour &amp; energy relations with the Gulf countries who are increasingly souring on Israel or start to distance itself from Israel (condemning the Israeli strike on Qatar may have been the first step but who knows?).

Still_There3603

How does this impact Iran? They're not allies but aren't they close?

drperky22

Uh, i doubt that should be considered as nuclear detterence, i don't know what the official text about it says but when France, UK, or the US sign a mutal defence pact nuclear detterence is not to be expected except if it's planned.

SraminiElMejorBeaver

Hope this becomes multilateral and add the rest of the GCC, Iran, and Turkey.

nikkythegreat

I'm curious to see how this pans out. Protection under Pakistans nuclear umbrella sounds good until you realize how much strategic depth they lack. I wonder if they end up inking a nuke sharing agreement for that reason, ala nato.

LoonieMoony

Would be interesting to see how India and Iran would be reacting to this. Indian MEA has already released a media statement.

The only way I can see this working is Saudi funding Pak and oil and Pak probably helping them in case against Iran. What are Saudis gonna do in an Ind-Pak conflict?

Secondly, Pak's nukes are mostly tactical and they don't have IRBMs or ICBMs to provide an umbrella to SA.

CarmynRamy

Aren't all of Pakistan's warheads itty bitty tactical nukes? That aside, would Israel even have to retaliate against Pakistan themselves or would the US beat them to it?

jellobowlshifter

Love a mutual defence pact. Nothing has ever gone wrong with them in history ever.

ruthemook

Pakistan nukes were always Saudi's by proxy

jarx12

Saudi signing paper agreements with Pakistan doesn’t change a-lot honestly. Riyadh’s biggest trade partners are India, China, the US, and the EU ..not Pakistan. 

The Kingdom won’t jeopardize tens of billions in energy, investment, and diaspora remittances just to back a country whose economy is literally on life support.

Imo: This move by SA came after Israel bombed Qatar and faced absolutely no consequences.  

If anything, this pact gives Saudi some leverage and Pakistan some PR at home, but in an actual conflict SA’s first move will be to stay neutral..because economic survival outweighs symbolic alliances.

WonFont

Of course it has nothing to do with India. The reason is so obvious. The US is no longer reliable if SA is attacked by Israel. So SA is looking for some hedge. It chose PK because PK is traditionally very close to SA, has nuclear weapons, and is also very close to China. SA cannot go to China directly so this is the best US-acceptable way to hedge the risk.

zjin2020

Saudi Arabia signs a mutual defence pact with Pakistan aimed at further bolstering their decades long defence defence cooperation. The pact is based on joint deterrence. 
"The agreement states that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both,” a joint statement published on Wednesday said, according to the Saudi Press Agency.

edward_droger

Can anyone explain who the common enemy is that they both are concerned about? India and Israel are the only ones that come to mind but I wasn’t aware that SA and India were adversaries, and neither state would/should face the U.S. if they were to fight Israel. This seems excessive, but I’m not current on Saudi/Pakistani geopolitics.

Odd-Local9893

This is a joke? Only reason to sign this is to saber rattle with Pakistans nukes. Even if Israel did a Qatar style attack against Saudis , can a country that can’t even project power in its neighbourhood threaten a country like Israel that can project power over the entire region?

revaddict94

Everyone in the comments are mentioning Israel. Which is funny since the source of the article is Qatari state propaganda that is banned even in Saudi Arabia itself. Really wonder how the sheep reached that conclusion.

The truth is the Saudis are not scared of Israel. They are scared of Iran. And if they want access to Pakistani nukes it is because they might no longer bet on the US to be able to stop Iran from having nukes. Which is terrible news to not just the middle east, but the entire world.

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