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It is not finished, but will be more like a pure trade based relationship at least from Indian side. From here on any strategic deals for India would be with Russia, Israel, France and Japan.

You only have to see the map of Asia to realize why US cannot have a Russia-India-China axis. Even an India neutral on East Asia would be horrible for US in the East Asia, so the courting of India originally despite its many shortcomings. A neutral India would free up China from worries about Southern flank and fully move against Taiwan. The day Taiwan falls is the day that the countdown starts for US in Japan and S Korea as it would be the marker of loss of US primacy in East Asia. Expect Japan and S Korea to fold and fall in China orbit in less than a decade after that. This neutrality is what China wants from India in return for no pressure on border and releasing of critical materials. Also notice how Taiwan and Japan is still courting India. And no Pakistan is not a substitute. The geography does not permit a land ingress through Shaksham valley and if they are foolish enough to allow their airbases to be used during US-China war then expect a 10X Sindoor from China. They can let their airspace to be used and China can still create mayhem.

However, from Indian side getting pulled in America's war is a fools errand as there is no upside and anyway none came to its help during Sindoor. And getting involved in a land war with China is very very stupid, irrespective of the carrot dangled by US.

So in a lot of way, I think the current path for India is optimum. Trump has done us a huge favor in removing our blinkers. Mend fences with China with strict red-lines i.e. tranquil border and limited arming of Pakistan plus of course lots of trade. Also, when the Americans and Japanese come calling, humor them for industry, capital and tech and of course to keep China in check. US and Japan are gonna come as they have little alternative, other than to cede primacy in East Asia to China and having close relation with India will always keep China off-balance as ultimately their open societies and economies are naturally compatible with India. One day India and China may (not necessarily) fight for primacy in Asia, but that day is after China-Taiwan denouement so at least 10 years off.

Meanwhile, keep head down and steady and keep developing.

kishaloy

Its not finished

There are no permanent friend or enemy. 

Long term our interests aligns with US. But Trump is not your conventional leader so mostly our relationship will be anyone’s guess till 2028.

I expect the relationship to be normalised post 2028

We need conflict free 1.5 decades

pratyush_1991

A big setback to the relationship, yes. But nothing is over. The moment Trumps leaves, efforts to normalise will begin no matter who wins the next election. Will it take time to build trust? No doubt about it.

Relationship that was slowly being built after George Bush's olive branch lifting nuclear sanctions and offering us the nuclear deal around 25 years back has been broken. Not by tarrifs as much, but by the unhinged rants by Trump and others in his admin.

India was anyways never going to be an US ally. Indias foreign policy has been very much clear on it. We are in favor of a multipolar world with ourselves as one of the poles rather than aligning with anyone. Be it US, Russia or China.

Brainfuck

chill. its just trump. once his term finishes, the world will be back to normal.

ChunnuBhai

IMO, the only thing India has achieved is normalisation of the relationship with China, which is HUGE!

Without having to worry about Chinese aggression, a border solution might be on the way. India will have to worry less about spending on defence, which is also in China's interest as they won't have to continue seeing India as a security threat.

I believe this is in line with US strategy as well. There is no way US and China would go to a war. So, why would India?

India should also focus on mending trade relationship with US now that Chinese ties are back to normal. India will HAVE to give concessions to US. They are not stupid to have everything thought through.

With a spree of FTAs, and a better relationship with both US and China would be goal for leadership.

imaginemecrazy

OP clearly has no clue the reason behind TTT( TRUMPS TARRIF TANTRUMS):

1)Obama from democratic party got a Nobel peace prize and hence Trump craves one to counterbalance Obama's popularity. US called Modi when he went to Canada for the summit hoping that Trump might get a photo shoot of Modi and Azim munnir in the whole house next to Dolund Zrump the same way he did with Armenia and Azerbaijan inorder to claim he ended decades long hostility and hence a viable candidate for Nobel peace prize. And we all know how Modi shrugged off 4 calls from US and asked MEA to inform US that he got plans to visit Croatia after Canada and hence cannot come to US anytime soon. Unlike Pakistan which was quick enough to get on its knees to gawk gawk Trump and US for validation and promote Trump for Nobel peace prize, India stood it's ground and said Trump had no part in the ceasefire between India and Pakistan during Op sindoor. This discredited Trump which infuriated him . 

2) After messing with china, they stopped buying American farm products especially corn, soya and other diary stuff and meat stuff which were sourced from Brazil and other countries now which leaves a huge surplus of American farm products that they're trying to find a buyer for. They can sell it to Europe but they can't since Europe requires carbon certificate for imports, so naturally the best option is India which is why US is trying to push agriculture and diary import duty reducts to dump their surplus shit that China refused to buy. 

3) Crude prices. We all know US despite having huge reserves have been hoarding their crude for decades hoping that once other countries run dry, they can sell their crude at whatever price they fix. But the rapid development of EVs and fuel cells and countries pledges towards carbon neutral goals has given US very little time to pump enough crude to make money and ofc why pump how and sell them for low prices when they can arm twist the world to stop buying from Russia, create a huge demand , pump as much crude as possible and sell them in the short amount. They tried this, but sadly India and China buying Russian crude is keeping global demand and Supply stable, if it wasn't for us, the crude prices might've touched all time high. This also triggered the oil mafia in US who are crying to Trump. 

Not everything is as simple as it seems when it comes to foreign policies and geo Politics. There might be more factor at play too, but these are some of the ones that I'm certain of .

Substantial-Pause959

The relationship is far deeper than Trump's three more years. The relationship is strained, but not in the separation or divorce stage.

Top_Put_9253

At present India has become a global Ping Pong; we are not playing any cards rather we are getting played;

US has changed under Trump; USA is still USAing just that what used to happen behind closed curtains is now being broadcasted on Social Media; 

China still maintains a clear claim on Arunachal Pradesh; No signs of changing that - what China wants from this " sudden friendship " is better access to Indian markets further damaging local manufactures ( especially SMEs ); for China in real world India is not even real threat anymore;

Russia is about to hit the lowest point as a super power - what was supposed to be a easy victory now needs a meditator to end things respectfully ( like US in Vietnam ); Technologically we are still dependent on Russia in defence space but I seriously hope we start getting rid of older Russian equiment.

Lastly, Time and again BJP has been using Geopolitical stand of India for their own PR; the hysteria created by BJP is hitting them back - Indians do get emotional on topics like China and Pakistan since the hate that is being filled in them by IT cell and now justifying handshake with China is simply " Thuk ke chatna "; Since Day-1 it was said that mixing foreign policy with local politics is disaster but BJP has been falling for it time again n again; Boycott Maldives to hug them hard; Boycott china to miss you old friend; Boycott Turkey to okay lets meet on hinge etc etc etc.

Sorry to burst your bubble OP;

wrongturn6969

Cheap_trick1412

Bhais, India's strength has always been to act a pivot. we should not have gone into US camp after 2014. Even now we should not completely align to China/ BRICS against US. We are a middle power, we should act like one and tgry to gain economically from both the side. 

Modi is there today, maybe not there tomorrow. What will remain is India's world standing and it should be consistent with our core strengths.

Overall-Resolve-3807

See bro there are no friends and enemies in diplomacy both countries are being hit by US tarrifs so now they try to increase their own ties kinda like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. One just looks out for whatever is best for them .
They are seeing benefit in overlooking their disputes. Situation could shift drastically in the next 5 to 6 years.

[deleted]

No it is stronger and ever and will grow over time, these issues are minor geopolitical narratives that is all.

Ok-Seaweed-5611

There was never India US ties.
It was just friends with benefits.


You neither understand India or US .

There was a reason why US chose pakistan over India.

It was just in US interest to use India to keep china in line..

India sees china as the biggest threat.
US sees china as the biggest threat.

Modi meeting xi is just for optics.

coolsid_5

Its international relation... wait for china to take few more meters land in laddakh pawpaw will again sit in trumps lap😂.

The problem is yahn thook ke bohot jaldi chaat lete hai 😂

Why after covid when the big companies were trying to move away from China ,we didn’t grab the opportunity then ?? Why we didn’t divert our supply chain which we are trying to do aggressively after tarrif ?we are always 5-10 years behind in every policy which we should have taken on time .whatever the reason bureaucracy ,red tapes reforms delay  ..We are always missed opportunity.The moment US put tarrif on us we have to go to China which just helped Pak for Pahalgam attack ,just 2020 dokhlm attack killing our jawans ..I m worried that China will take advantage of this opportunity current India-US relations into its trade trap .

tatmona

Really? You think so?  Effie are they gonna turn to? China, with whom they’ve fought 1.5 wars? And who’s building bases in Sri Lanka and islands in the Indian Ocean to encircle India?

Russia, which is a fourth world country?

US knows that India has no choice.  It’s the largest economy by far, close to the largest trade, English speaking democracy, US/japan/Australia anti-China alliances etc. 

It’s called realpolitik.  

Get real.  It’s all a game.  It’ll be over soon enough.  

Violin-dude

Love for china is unreal.

Are we just going to ignore China supply of weapons to pakistan? 


Are we going to blame USa for russia ukraine war?

sumit24021990

U r thinking more about it than it should.

Its a huge set back. But it cant be termed qs finished 

There have been set backs but both countries started talking again.

After JFk "outbursts" against Goa liberwtion, both countries atarted talks in months.  Both counrries were on good terms when JFK was assassinated.

Even after 1971, both countries started talks in 2 years. In 1979, Jimmy carter visited India. There is a village called carterpuri.
 

Indira gandhi admn was perhaps the most Anti US govt of india. 

Apart from that, there has never been long term hostility
Educated people in both govts know that diplomatic relations cant end like this. 

Trump is a moron to not know how to talk. He is hampering busines deals that would help US businesses. India was negotiating defence deals

2 big ego's are causing this deterioration.The export hit is much worse than the oil savings which anyway are benefiting refiners mostly and not the common man. Simple logic but blinded by ego or national pride

India's eyes are opened, we were getting too prideful of our economy and status in the world. Nobody outside of India thinks of us as remotely close as China and we are a minor player on the world stage. But the US is wrong on imposing the same moral standards like Ukraine on developing countries like us, just like the western economies polluted the world in the name of their development and now on becoming rich and developed want to impose carbon limits on developing nati
ons, a complete double standard.

Anyway time for the nation to work on itself and develop its human capital foremost  which doesn't seem to be improving due to under investment in primary education and public health. Tough times ahead

Also our nation needs to stop thinking of it like personal. The real estate developer is engaged in fighting with his own governors like the Maryland one and mocking its crime rates and economy ( aka dead economy) and giving threats to deploy the National guard in his own cities.

clarissa8387

It's not totally finished but it's almost done with the current government. Once the new govt come in US I am sure india and us both try to normalise the realation.

Best-Yak2590

Not irreparable, but Trump is an idiot. No leader with a modicum of self-respect can do business with him.

daftmonkey

good done with those jokers from 71 7th fleet nonsense  to hiding mumbai bomb blast masterminds for nearly 2 decades . they have caused dea... of 10s of thousands of indians have than have the gall to say we have been unfair to them

Me here thinking if we can mend ties with China, we can mend ties with anyone including US.

oh-fabi

Nah these things change on a dime. Remember when Zelensky was literally humiliated in the white house by Trump and vance. Now, the tables turned and trump is funding Ukraine just like Biden.

VisitInteresting171

The US is by far our biggest export partner. Also by far the largest foreign direct investor in India. I don't know if you understand what you ask for, when you ask for relations to be finished.

Its naive to say the best. Its also naive to believe this moment of good relations between Modi and Xi means anything long term with China.

The US is not going to be our geopolitical or geographic or economic rival this century - China is.

MmmIceCreamSoBAD

Unless those 4 imp agreements which we have signed with US are called off, till then nothing is finished. 
Agreements like lemoa, comcasa etc

Rare-Intern6171

This is how PR gets to us. The SCO was a meetup of many countries, not a meetup of IRC to sign some pact. We got to see photos of Modi with Xi and Putin. Pakistan got to see similar photos of their PM with them. But our media as usual portrayed it in a way that only Modi was the one who received any attention there. Indians are gullible, naive and easily fooled by propaganda. Stop it please.

This was neither representation of India's ties with other parts of the world nor the other way round. The timeline made it seem so, and elections are also near.

kingslayer990

India's reaction to U.S. tariffs is a demonstration of its resolve for sovereignty from Washington's attempts to enforce a unipolar global order.

VJObserver

LoL China did far worse things and now we are friends. They will drop Tariffs after Trump's term and things will be back to normal.

nandhugp214

It’s a trade based relationship with strong geopolitical reasons behind it, yesterday’s friends can be tomorrow’s enemies, you sell more newspaper by stoking personal and popular perceptions into it. I doubt anything emotional was involved, India has never been a strong player, decades of freedom and opening up trade hasn’t changed their leverage in global terms by a lot, the difference is so stark compared to China. Essentially being punished for being a small time speculator for buying cheap oil and reselling. With Left leaning politics and lack of strategic vision has essentially drove the final nail into country’s future, where individual persons quality of life and happiness index is prioritized to lowest degree, it will continue to be a country the brightest and the best want to run away from and never towards. It’s sad, so much wasted potential. Unfortunately it’s also the global sentiment moving towards undoing globalization.

Conscious_Cod6018

If india made up with China even after Galwan ..will surely make up with USA all things change with time

Sanjay2105

When trump leaves , the trade policies would be set in stone for 3+ years and I guarantee every alternate terms there will be a trumpian type anti global USA president. If not every term.

mynameisnb101

what does it mean for the Indian diaspora in the US/ West?

aditya1878

Go read 1984 by George Orwell. The world is ruled by a small group of elites who all know each other and are buddies. All this is just theatrics to get the peasants to stay worried. Ask yourself: how can China be the enemy of US if all the US companies have literally setup their production plants there.

numbaunstunna

Not surprised since Trump managed to even piss off best buds - Canadians. The odd part is so many American past presidents kept quiet

StartX007

India was never "close" to anyone. We have been non-aligned since independence.

The US is not "dumba*s" and India is not "stubborn". Everyone does what they "perceive" would be better for them. Perceptions can turn out to be devastating or favouring, that's for the future. Nobody "sees" the future. Everyone speculates.

If down the line the US observes the decision is losing for them, they would have to enter a deal that's tilted towards India (Russia oil deal is exactly India exploiting Russia's plight). On the contrary, if down the line, India observes they are losing, they would sign a deal that's tilted towards the US. It's just business 101. The US is speculating they would get a better deal down the line or maybe they are already getting something else, that's better, by losing on "India deal".

We just need to observe.

rakshify

Not finished, but definitely gone to the levels of 1998. 25 years of hard work is now in the toilet, thanks to this administration. It will take a long time before the confidence is restored at that level.

Tshering22

You are living in delulu land. India is not that important in world stage. Everyone knows that. Forget 50% if trump dumps 1000% tariff tomorrow we will do zilch apart from photo ops and big speeches. Beggers have no choice!!!! We don't have any cards against US, China or Russia. We are extremely dependant on all of them.

Accomplished_Fix_131

Trumps tariffs on India were based on personal vendetta.

There is no foreign policy failure.. Can't have foreign policy centered around one person's ego.

PsychologyHotty

Fuck this Orange turd. I'm facing significant losses in my business because of tariffs. However, I'd rather take the losses than us coming to the table with this orange pedophile.

standardargument

This reminds of the tv shows back in 2000s. Too much shit show on SM instead of decency via traditional diplomatic channels

s1va1209

Lauda mera very good friend, trump dalle ka dost toh pakistan hai na.

Admirable-Ad-6493

All for it if this reduces our sky-high import duties.

QuirkyDay1819

Trump administration just doubled tariffs on Indian imports and is even urging the EU to consider 100% tariffs on India and China, so classic leverage before negotiations. Two way goods trade was about $129B in 2024, so both sides have incentive to deal, but this won’t be a quick BARRIERS GONE moment.  A realistic deal likely will be a narrow, sectoral package. The US wants movement on India’s high tariffs and non tariff rules, lower ICT duties that a WTO panel already found inconsistent with commitments, clearer, faster customs and standards processes and sticky issues like medical device price caps and data localization rules. India’s dairy “VEGETERIAN FEED” certification is another hard red line.  

India wants market access for its firms and crucially restoration of GSP trade preferences. But GSP has been expired since 2021 and only Congress can reauthorize it, the White House can’t restore it unilaterally, so I think any promise here will be conditional.

ExtensionMirror3506

check out this video : [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxVXvFOPIyQ&amp;pp=ygUKdmVyaXRhc2l1bQ%3D%3D](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxVXvFOPIyQ&amp;pp=ygUKdmVyaXRhc2l1bQ%3D%3D)   
That's why India not accepting their demands.

Significant_Day_8390

We have to keep our country's dairy and agriculture sector safe from GMO products from America.That is a priority.

gysizzle

Is he going through menopause? The mood swings are crazy 🤣

No-Link236

After so many insults were thrown at us,   
Gobar-mint is making us look like little puppies happily wagging its tail just cause uncle Trump is now waving a nice juicy bone.

stup1fY

Ab kaha hai tumhari CIA? CIA ne trade deal karwa di. 

The only People who are Against a Revolution are 
1. Andhbhakts 
2. Corrupt Businesses 
3. Ministers &amp; politicians 
4. BJP IT cell which are active and constantly posting everywhere why a Revolution in India is a bad idea. The CIA Narrative. 
5. Savarnas

They say that we (India) are too divided to do a revolution and it will lead to a civil war. Which is NOT TRUE. An average person Doesn't care About Language, Caste, Religion. 

Only Savarnas are the ones who care about Caste, Religion, Language because they want Hindu Rashtra (Dictatorship) and rule over others. 

1st Savarnas are the ones who did hindu muslim, Upper caste Lower Caste. Hindi vs other Languages. 

2nd Savarnas are the ones who made BJP/RSS. 

3rd Savarnas are the ones who hold 40-50% of Indias wealth. 

4th Savarnas Hold all the Authoritative positions in government : Judiciary, Police, Education, PSUs, etc. EVERYWHERE. 

5th Their argument is that they're present in those positions because they have merit. Which is false, how? Just look at how politicians work, think of a politician like a savarna, they lie, discriminate, and only give opportunity to their relatives/friends. Same thing savarnas do.  If they show their Marks n shit and say numbers don't lie. Their families have been free of discrimination &amp; poverty. While an average LC still faces discrimination and poverty even in IITs. 


So in India this won't be just any revolution against corruption of ministers. Savarnas have a vast network of Caste Nepotism that they use to rule over common people i.e LCs and poore people. To them caste is everything. 

#This fight will be to end Caste and Corruption both at the same time because these are intertwined.

Empty-Property7944

Asking a net exporter of corn to import american corn. Good job Nutlick!

shourya8

Trump placed yes people in his administration

Brown33470

It's been a full blown trade war for months, unfortunately the only thing our administration says is tariffs but unfortunately they don't even understand how it work

wolf_of_mainst99

Yeah, why are they growing their own fucking produce instead of buying ours? Is it cheaper and more efficient and profitable for them to do that or something?!


Dumbass

Saltwater_Thief

If you don’t buy American corn I’m going to tax the American people even harder!

India: um…ok?

Horror_Response_1991

Amazing how many Epstein Bois are members of Trump's Cabinet alone, here we have 2 in a single photo.

Rurumo666

Bullying, why should India buys when we have our own corn To make your people happy, we have to suffer?

JK-05

India exports corn, why would they buy corn from another country? At least make a stand to sell them something they need like almonds, walnuts or something

Comprehensive_Pie941

mitchENM

These people are just stupid. At this point the world has just accepted it and given up. No one is buying your corn, milk, or other produce. For the RoW there are many more pleasant trades to be made. Feel sorry for the farmers who voted these people in though.

PsychologicalYam3602

lol…still don’t have the hang of that whole “negotiation” thingie eh?

Logic411

 put those corns  where the sun doesn’t shine, that way it won’t germinate.

medicsansgarantee

I can’t imagine our current administration, shaking India’s hand and saying “how can we do this in a way that benefits both of us”? All I see reports of are “my way or the highway.”

Cocktoasttoe

It just amazing how US administration degrade from top notch politics to bunch of rednecks.

Shot-Contribution786

USA is really aiming to become a 4th world country.

VermicelliInformal46

These guys’ great MAGA president doesn’t understand that some cultures won’t tolerate insults and loss of face, and then turn around and act like nothing happened. Both Hindu and Confucian cultures have long memories for poor personal and culturally insensitive behaviour. Read your briefing books, idiots.

Middle-Weight-837

Ishitinatuba

It’s not 1.4 billion people. Maybe 10-15% have enough money to make these purchases in the market. And about 1-5 % have the disposable income to actually buy imported corn. 

But these Americans are dumbasses so hey, here we are.

poorMBAaspirant

lol.  Nutpick. This might work better:

&gt;Buy our corn or I will pull down my pants and moon you.

pravchaw

Extortion is not a way we treat our allies. P

lateread9er

The US offers nothing but threats.  This is not a friend or ally to anyone

Toolatethehero3

Who the fuck does america think they are, demanding other countries to buy are shit or else. Imagine market basket saying that to its customers lol. Unreal

Joejoe12369

He's only pushing India further towards Russia and China.  Do we even have any allies left?  It seems Trump is hell bent on angering them ALL simultaneously.  That's an idiotic strategy.

danAsua

Everything the pedo/felon touches turns to 💩

PCNLUV

Begging and threatening countries to buy crap isn’t diplomacy, it’s pathetic.

infomer

I never buy their corn, I pirated it 😎

Who tf buy corn ?

Aggressive-Check-101

I also like them being so defensive and trying to intimidate Australia over our beef with no mention of how tainted our meat is.

RubyWaves75

LooseAd7981

Midnight1965

I sincerely believe that bankrupting US farmers is part of the plan. The big corps can buy up the land cheap and keep the grift going by hawking new "investment vehicles".

Frantic_Penguin

I've never seen a sales person like Lutnick. He needs to position himself correctly and understand how to talk to the client.

jq8964

What is it with the Pedophile and destroying our farm industry .He screwed them the last time he was president, and now he,s doing it again and even  worse.The sad thing is that a majority of farmers voted for the Pedophile.

LectureAgreeable923

Even small shopkeepers in India don't cry like this. 

But great to see them begging India to buy their stuff lol

kunal1217

Why would India allow itself to be bullied into this? If they do, there will just be more demands in the future. I have no idea why republicans think that they can shit on other countries and they will thank them for it. That only works on Americans.

Electronic_Couple114

if I were India I would place order for just one corn

stealthnyc

i-dontlikeyou

Most incompetent administration in the history of incompetent administrations.

bdf369

At first it was terrifying. Then it got surreal. Now its just hilarious.

barneyaa

Corny but so funny… the farmers are ruined because of you guys

Expert_Towel_101

The dumbest people in our country banded together and this is what we get when they voted as a block to joyfully give their rights away, and also MINE and YOURS! And when we call them on it they call us names. This country is being run by the kids who gave out wedgies in gym class while the gym coach laughed. 

None of these people have done any homework.

CalbertCorpse

Dependent-Finish-394

Thick_Gear_5263

Isn’t it great having such mature, reasoned, and temperate, “let cooler heads prevail”, leaders running America in the first half of the 21st Century!

Best_Entrepreneur659

PrestigiousHippo7

Nutlick is the same POS who went to the grieving widow of the founder of Cantor Fitzgerald the day after one of the hijacked planes made a direct hit on the Cantor Fitzgerald offices. He used the moment to demand control of the company. He is a slimy, manipulative monster with an ego the size of the Atlantic Ocean. It is said that the most dangerous place on earth is the space between Nutlick and a TV news camera. 

This is who Howard Nutlick is. And his pressure tactics are blowing up catastrophically. Because of him, access to the rapidly growing Indian economy has been destroyed. India is now firmly allied with China.

Tidewind

I thought you didn't need anyone. It sucks when you piss everyone off. And you think another threat will solve this how.

OkEye2910

I like corn.   I can take a couple of ears.

dkwinsea

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