Public sentiment is largely marked by frustration and skepticism towards NATO's response to Russian airspace violations. Many commenters advocate for a stronger and more decisive military action against Russia, expressing concerns that NATO's current measures are inadequate and may embolden further aggression. There are also fears of potential conflict escalation and calls for military preparedness amid perceived inaction.

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Article 4 has been triggered by Estonia. Only the 9th time since NATO's founding. This is the second time this month

LubberwortPicaroon

Putin wants NATO to keep air defense for themselves instead of giving it to Ukraine.

Evil_Potatos

&gt;"Russia's ever-increasing testing of borders and aggressiveness must be responded to by rapidly strengthening political and economic pressure,"

I feel like political and economic pressure have been properly applied since at least February 2022, and it doesn't seem to be doing much to prevent stuff like this.

Astral_Alive

Gunderstank_House

Illustrious-Syrup509

Shoot them down. Claim that you thought they were ufos and let Russia choose if they want to kick shit off or not. *SPOILER they will not want to kick shit off and they will be more careful like they were with Turkey

JadedArgument1114

Sometimes I wish NATO was even 10% as bad as the worthless vatnik hordes pretend.
Declare that any airspace violations that clearly isn't a genuine mistake will be seen as hostile and shoot them down if they do not clear within xx minutes.
Lavrov can sit and shit his usual complaints all he wants. Don't send your garbage into NATO airspace then, you cancer of a nation.

Natural-Net-1513

Shoot that shit down immediately, tf are they waiting for. Gentle parenting Russia doesn’t work.

thanosbananos

At this point it's time to just shot that shit down no questions asked, Turkey did it and nothing happened

Felczer

I would be curious to know how common this is, the RAF are scrambled every other month is seems for Russian planes getting close to British airspace.

It does feel like this is Russia testing the boundaries of what they can get away with.

DarthKrataa

Why is violate in quotes as it would not be true?

LightBit8

So, NATO is under Russian military tests. Wake up my brothers in arms.

EduardBon

Still too weak. You have to shoot down anything that moves from Russia into Nato immediately.

Dear_Tiger_1358

Any Russian aircraft flying in nato airspace should be shot down no second thoughts. What is this overwhelmingly weak bullshit to allow them constant and consistent access to NATO airspace. What the fuck are we doing

FalcoMccloud20xx

Just shoot their shit down the moment it reaches NATO airspace FFS. Turkey did it and Russia learned it's lesson. Why the fuck are we not respecting our own set boundaries

Throwawayaccount1170

Poland will declare war before NATO does anything. 

I know no one wants to kick off WW3, but WW2 became a thing because no one wanted to stand up and fight until it was too late. Sometimes, the only way to deal with a bully is to punch them in the mouth.

CWhiz45

Legit just shoot them down already. The fuck he's gonna do? Cry that he crossed the border after the 100th warning this week.

watzwatz

Where is the kinetic sanctions? Aka shooting down Russian planes that enter NATO airspace?

Dreadedvegas

ABotelho23

Stop this piece of s**t!!!

What are we waiting for?

STOP RUSSIA NOW!!!!!!

Shoot them down. Without a warning.

iamagermanpotato

Just so everyone knows that means Putin is INCREDIBLY vulnerable. He is trying to project strength to prevent an attack. Kinda like the dumbest person in your highschool did when he was trying to look tough.

VoidOmatic

Putin badly wants to drag NATO into war to use an excuse why he failed in Ukraine.

AnnoyingBus

Maybe some AGM should mistakenly go into russian air space.

Frenzystor

Just shoot them down.. Simple as that. Make Russia respond or fire something so slow that Russia could evade or destroy it easily. Say that was just a warning. Next time it is destroyed. Anything Russian that enters NATO air space. An ultimatum has to be drawn and they are not really doing it...

Darth_Groot28

The appropriate response is a fleet of nato aircraft entering and flying around Russian air space for 15 minutes.

eelam_garek

The big deal is not the event, but the pattern. Consider all that has happened since Putin came to Alaska. Literally a few days later he struck a US owned factory. He’s begun training with Belarus. And then drones entering airspace. Now this.

It’s literally the bully shoving us asking what are we gonna do about it

And what are we gonna do about it?

UndergroundHQ6

Lock down all airspace over Ukraine and elsewhere. Anything incoming gets caught in the NATO umbrella, full-stop.

lesmainsdepigeon

klautkollector

I save you a click. NATO response: "We will keep talking, and doing nothing"

DavidWtube

NATO should warn Putin that for every drone or violation of airspace that three Russian refineries would be completely destroyed.

Defining a no-fly zone in Ukraine and for each violation,  Crimea would be attacked by Ukrainians with the necessary war material provided by NATO starting with the famous bridge.

An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth.

Equivalent_Joke_6163

GreatGojira

Shoot them down. When the fuckers complain, say we know nothing about it. Nope, not us. Must have crashed due to incompetent pilots.

ffdfawtreteraffds

So the political and military equivalent of a stern finger wag. Got it.

DesignerCorner3322

armin514

Anything short of a kinetic response won't mean shit to Russia.

Stunning_Mediocrity

I wonder how they choose the pilots. Is it random? Is it a terrible one that they don't mind loosing? Is it a good one cause these missions are risky?

Cafeine

GIVE THEM THE TURKISH TREATMENT!

**WARNINGS WITHOUT ANSWERS? YOU WILL BE SHOT DOWN!**

Mr--Weirdo

Putin is sitting in his throne and laughing his face off now! Only those countries that experienced Russian’s brutality and oppression know that they understand only force! They even have a saying that translates:
“There’s no defense against a crowbar, unless you have another crowbar.”
It’s a figurative way of saying that brute force can only be countered with equal brute force.

This is how this nation has seen life and the world around them since many centuries ago.

By the time NATO is going to understand that, it may be too late.

OwnYogurtcloset8606

Shoot the fuckers out of the sky.  Russia will bitch and whine and do nothing about it.  But if you keep letting russia take inches, why would they stop?

Grandkahoona01

NATO is being tested by Russia bc Trump has signaled he has de facto withdrawn the US from NATO.

stayfrosty

Ukraine was beating your ass so you are like, "Let's take on NATO."

kwyjibo1

Turkey has already shown us how to respond when Russian jets violate NATO airspace.

chemicalgeekery

This type of behavior could be a sign of desperation from Russia's political and/or military leadership. They have nothing to gain from a direct confrontation with NATO.

eljne

Put out a warning through a NATO press release that you'll shoot them down even if they momentarily cross the border.

If they still do shoot them down.

If they then complain that it was an accident you put out another press release that they better ensure they stay *extra* far away from the border, to avoid future "accidents".

They're not our friends. This is the only way they'll learn.

Sr_DingDong

NATO responds by, ‘condemning in the strongest possible terms Russias aggression towards the NATO parters, blah blah’. Then sanctions. Haven’t read the article but I think this is pretty much the gist of it.

Opening-Employee9802

Shoot them down immediately. Putin recognizes strength only.

Toolatethehero3

Russia is waiting for nato to respond. Then trump can say it isnt a defence action so america wont get involved

kirkbywool

ParanoicFatHamster

It’s worth remembering that there have been reports that Russian inflation may be about to go through the roof.  This is reported to be mainly due to interest rate manipulation not working anymore.  These incidents are likely an attempt to create a larger incident to serve as a distraction.

Just to provide a little context.

Mala_Practice

Would the Russians notice F22 or F35s flying over Moscow airspace? Uh, sorry guys, we got lost

dustycanuck

Interesting that this happens after Putin met with Xi. Likely got some sort of green light and reassurance of support from China.

JGBuckets21

Russia can't even handle Ukraine and now they're trying to provoke everybody else?  Saw they did this to Finland and man does that take some balls after the last time they went to war with Finland.

AGrandNewAdventure

But is NATO actually going to do anything? Or will they continue to let russia do whatever it wants?

Ok-Intention7288

I feel like most effective would be for the countries that invoked article 4, as a collective response to start rapid drone production - the cost of being hostile.  This would be RND for defensive drones to counter the attacks and output can be given to Ukraine at no cost.  Also RND on cost effective long range strike capability \~2000km to neutralize the source given again at no cost.  Both are mutually beneficial.

buff_butler

darkmoncns

So, on one hand these things need to be shot down as soon as they start fucking around, but on the other hand it sure does look like putin really wants them to be shot down to justify going all in full scale war as the economy there is really not doing well.

So pick your poison I guess.

Dependent_Survey_546

Just shoot them down, these idiots can't afford to lose jets

Pegasos

Time for someone to stand up to fascists somewhere. The longer we wait, the worse it will be.

arstin

Well the 2 weeks must start from here according to the orangutan....

Aggravating-Day-2864

The Turks shot down a Russian jet a while ago and Russia has kept the fuck out of their air space. The fuck are the Russians gonna do about it?

RaptorCelll

Batmankoff

I don't believe he is ready for a larger war so I'm guessing this is to deter countries from giving away stockpiles of weapons to Ukraine.   So we should do the opposite and give Ukraine better and more lethal weapons on every escalation. They need to know that escalation simply results in more pain for them.  Like punching themselves in the face.

endianess

Response should have been a few AA missiles..

Flessuh

They need to shift the way they tell the story. Now the Russians are proud of their achievements. 

Start reporting about yet another sign of Russian incompetence and lack of ability to navigate safely. Ask questions if they need assistance in navigating the skies. Ask if NATO can assist them in any way to find the way home. Make it super embarrassing for Russians to be this level of incompetent.

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Answer: Russia has been violating NATO's airspace for decades now.

However with Finland's recent addition to NATO and interest in Ukraine joining as well, they're now trying to see how far they go before they get an actual response from a NATO member, other than us saying "Hey Russia... You know that's ours. Please play nice or you're going to stay on the naughty list."

Blazanar

Answer: Testing response time, trying to scare Europe to keep air defense systems at home and not give them to Ukraine, getting Europe to waste million euros worth aa missiles on cheap drones, maybe even hoping to get their plane shot down to have excuse to announce mobilisation against evil west. Take your pick

laggy1

It’s a salami attack. It’s boiling the frog.

One small escalation at a time whilst bureaucrats cower

patricide101

farmboy3000

Turkey has many problems, but wasn't there one incident where they showed *exactly* the correct way to handle this? In 2015, a Russian jet violated Turkish airspace... so they, get this... sent up their own jet, and simply shot the Russian one down. Just like that. It was destroyed. Russia was unhappy! But would you believe it, there *wasn't* any nuclear war between Russia and Turkey! And since then, Turkey has had no further problems from Russian jets in its airspace. Amazing how that worked out.

ParryLost

2015- Turkey downs Russian jet violating it's airspace looks for backup from NATO members. Every country (Germany etc.) except Spain pulls back their air defence batteries to not provoke Russians. Obama etc. call for restraint to not provoke Russians. 

If they had stood behind Turkey then instead of trying to appease the Russians alot of things might have changed. Appeasing the Russians never work. Has never worked.

73347

That’s a burden of having to make decisions in a full consensus amongst all members. If that would have been possible with just the majority of votes we would’ve lived in a different world today. Hopefully at least Hungary will elect not Orban in 2026 as well as the USA.

Whatever-That-Memes

Max_FI

I remember when Turkey shot down a Russian warplane killing one pilot for violating one small corner of its airspace en route to Syria. And Turkey kind of likes Russia.

3point21

everyone is speaking about NATO.

but Poland could retaliate on its own. Poland just have to send 50 missiles each time russia attacks.

blow some russian shit up already instead of talking BLABLABLA and doing nothing.

Legrandjojo_

WE have consequences instead of THEM.

I'm not comfortable with this new world order. There's not enough decimals in my bank account for me to be "safe."

SeeMarkFly

Make no mistake about it this incursion into Poland by Russian drones was a test by Putin to see how Trump would react and also to hope that NATO will over react and give him a reason to retaliate.  He answered two questions with one action.

lickem369

Nato is responding though.

&gt;On Friday (12 September 2025), NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte and Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) General Alexus G. Grynkewich held a joint press conference to outline NATO’s response to the violation of Polish airspace by Russian drones two days earlier. Mr Rutte announced the launch of “Eastern Sentry,” a military activity aimed to bolster NATO’s posture along the eastern flank.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_237601.htm

HappyCamperPC

Putin is coming for all of Eastern Europe, it's a matter of time

SwimmingPirate9070

Russia wants NATO to beef up their defenses. Every SAM battery in Poland and the Baltics is a SAM battery that isn’t being used by Ukraine to actively fight Russia.

ghosttrainhobo

At this point I'm embarrassed to say my country is part of the NATO alliance. Do better!!

xgrader

Poland won't tolerate it they tried article 4 thell do 5 next but when usa says no we can't thell says screw it and do it them selves

Jerethdatiger

Uhm: https://shape.nato.int/news-releases/eastern-sentry-to-enhance-natos-presence-along-its-eastern-flank

NATO has deployed additional air assets, air defense, air defense frigates..  
  
The narrative NATO is doing nothing is just wrong.  
  
The initial incursion was met with NATO and polish air defense combined.. immediate additional air assets where deployed to Poland and on the 10th officially eastern sentinel was revealed.. a plan that had been in the works for months.

Soepkip43

They literally scrambled jets and an AWACS plane within minutes and and shot down some of the drones over Poland. They arent sleeping on this and NATO is not known to escalate conflicts. Russians know they wouldnt be able to survive a war with NATO so unless there are civilian or NATO soldier deaths this will end up nothing but ‘Russian aggression’ or increased sanctions. But I am curious to know the Kremlins logic for doing this, testing defenses but ultimately for what?

BowlSmart9624

NATO has crazy tech that no military including Russia has seen. We’d need to field that tech to defend against incursions that basically amount to nothing, just probing attacks. 

By fielding that tech Russia would be able to 

- know of its existence

- *maybe* shoot it down and reverse engineer it 

- see its capabilities and no longer be surprised/unprepared when NATO need to use it for actual defence. 

Believe me, the larger NATO countries tracked those drones going into Poland before even Poland knew about it - and they chose to do nothing - because they didn’t *need* to do anything. 

Like we’ve seen, letting those drones make it deep enough into Poland that recovery was guaranteed has allowed NATO to rip apart the drones and see that Russia had plans to probe Poland and Lithuania MONTHS ago. We chose not to act and gathered intelligence from Russias probing mission. Sometimes, when the enemy is making a mistake you let them carry on. 

We learned what their drones radar signatures looked like, where they launch from, their range, and much more mentioned above. 

Russia has been making incursions into and around NATO airspace for a decade and those are just the public ones we know about, the UK and Scandinavia frequently scramble jets to intercept Russian drones and jets. 

Don’t get me wrong I’d love a world where we slapped down any attack from Russia, probing or otherwise, but that’s just not smart in the technology war.

BronnOP

They haven't done nothing, they have set up a defence force specifically to counter this problem. That can include anyone.

This is simply expecting more than an alliance should give.

ParticularArea8224

I’m not sure I understand, NATO did send fighter jets to shoot them down.

tribbans95

What are you talking about? NaTO launched a new defence mission in Eastern Poland and seems pretty united on this and even the US fell in line. Just because Poland and te rest of the world doesn't want to go to war over something that Russia has essentially done for decades and caused no real damages and zero deaths doesn't mean it isn't ready to defend its airspace.

I'm asking you and everyone on here that currently does not live in Ukraine and who is parotting this line. Are you ready to move your family to Eastern Poland or the baltics and are you ready to join up in the fight against Russia? Not some bullshit, ow we will support you or whatever, no, put yourself and your loved ones in the line of fire. Because me and mine are, I regularly go to Ukraine to bring supplies and do other things to support Ukraine, but I have family less then 60km from the Russian borders. I'm ready to fight if they so invade but any foreigners who is egging on the rest of us because we don't want to go live in a warzone but is unwilling to put themselves on the line, needs to shut the fuck up. If you are willing to, then why haven't you? Ukraine is taking volunteers right now. Put your money where your mouth is.


Now I agree with the fact that we in te West need to do more, but going to war when we are not actively being invaded is not something anyone here wants.

exessmirror

Time for Poland and NATO to pick their balls up out of putins purse, attach them back to their scrotes, and piss in putins face a little bit before he starts shitting in theirs.

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NATO is a joke. They are too scared to do anything to a terroristic country that’s been getting its shit kicked in by a country a fraction of its size.

Dogif

time for europe to step up to the plate and lay the smackdown on communism

Visible-Aardvark2006

My vote is warn 1, track drone back to base. Warn 2, track drone back to base and find out where the pilots are Warn 3 and follow it up with a couple of missiles against the base and pilots.

Super risky, but FAFO level gratification and they probably won't ignore you next time.

78513

Why do the polish people blame Ukraine for those drones Russia sent over their territory? There was a poll which Jake bro covered on his YouTube channel this week - what the hell poland?

antilittlepink

Russia could attack with hundreds of drones per day immediately, but, er, you know… please don’t upset the Russians!

ionetic

tripletexas

Europe is going to have to do it without the US. Just how it is now. You all can give me shit for the simple fact that I'm American, I really couldn't care less, but there's still a lot of support for Ukraine and NATO here.

ratatosk212

Because Putin is confident NATO will never go on the offensive. They will only react tepidly in defense. He can shake rattle and roll them into bickering and cause them to come apart at the seams. There's really no downside for him he's already in hot war

MissionDiamond7611

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Jolly-Tennis-1147

This is asychronous warfare and to take Putin's bait means wasting expensive ammo on cheap drones.  That said, Nato does have to step up its anti-drone game to counter this (and I'm sure they are working on it).  They could learn a thing or two from the Ukrainians about that.

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