Public sentiment is polarized, with strong support for India's suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty in response to perceived terrorism and media bias against India. Many express frustrations regarding water distribution and the portrayal of terrorists as 'gunmen'. While there are calls for India's assertiveness in protecting national interests, some commenters express concern about potential humanitarian crises stemming from water tensions and India’s historical treaty obligations. Overall, the comments reflect a deep frustration with Pakistan's actions and international media portrayals, coupled with a desire for India to take a firmer stance.

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I think what has happened here is that India feels it’s being taken advantage of. Most Indians agreed to the Partition, even when they didn’t want to, hoping an independent Muslim state will allow for some peace. Obviously that was proven wrong immediately after independence. Second, building on the insult and humiliation of the Partition most Indians feel that even though most, if not all, Hindus and Sikhs left Pakistan (and later Bangladesh), many Muslims continued to stay in India. Of course, India is a secular country, but if Pakistan was a Muslim state then by that logic why did the Muslims stay back. Third, until the victory of Narendra Modi, Muslims were not as openly targeted as they are now. Yet, even in Modi’s India Muslims are still well represented in most spheres of public life—armed forces, public service, education, and so on. In fact, it was Modi’s government that passed the Triple Talaq Bill giving into a long demanded cause by Muslim women. Not to say that this justifies the persecution and fear mongering the ruling party does—no, it does not. 

But, coming back to the larger point about India’s sense of betrayal. Indians feel that at every step they have agreed to demands that humiliate and weaken them only to be met with more demands, lies, backstabbing, and terror attacks. I would argue here that the rise of the BJP and Hindutva is a direct response to these feelings. Otherwise for much of India’s 80 years history it has been a secular, socialist republic.

Just as a few examples. India never vetoed Pakistan’s entry into the UN, Afghanistan did. Yet, Pakistanis channel hatred on to Indians. India tried back channel talks with Pervez Musharraf to resolve the Kashmir issue, not only did those fail but India was humiliated and its Parliament attacked (among other terrorist attacks). India agreed to a world bank sponsored water sharing agreement, which it did not have to—remember, China has not entered any water sharing treaties with its neighbours and it sits on the water tank of Asia building dams as it pleases, when it pleases—in the hopes that a goodwill gesture would reassure Pakistan that it does not want Pakistani land, it just wants to be left in peace to develop and prosper. Despite outreach and multiple goodwill gestures things have not changed. Pakistan continues to have a revisionist view of history, it demands sizeable tracts on Indian territory, it trains and arms terrorists that attack Indian civilians, and continues to cry wolf.

Add to these feelings a right-wing, Hindu nationalist government, which came to power—mind you—precisely because of Pakistan’s attitude and perception of India, and we stare into a future of death, destruction and ruin. 

I know I will be blocked or banned from this subreddit, and that my comment will be downvoted. I get that. But, beyond nationalist rhetoric we must ask difficult and hard questions. I realize my narrative privileges one side, true. And many here will present the other side of the narrative. Fair enough. But, all that being said we can cry as much as we want but our present is an outcome of our past. Had Pakistan accepted India, and by extension Indians’, goodwill (and they had enough time to from 1947 to 2014), perhaps, we might be seeing a different future. 

I doubt the government will change their mind on the IWT. It is what it is. Learn from history, folks.

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Waiting for india to build a dam and pakistan to bomb it because brain dead porki lumber one doesn't realise it will eventually destroy the entire settlement and bhuki nangi pakistani quam downstreams

ForexFreakz

gingerbreadman100

Indians soo obsessed already downvoting the post

shikiiiryougi

Quirky-Post1640

Denying access to water should be made criminal. No nation should threaten another by withholding the most basic human need.

pqratusa

What is the ICJ decision for the dams built on Brahmaputra in China ?

Leave_it_for_later

Here's the thing. India can tell this "international court" to go suck dicks and they can't do anything about it.

__DraGooN_

Will the ICJ order to stop the flow of terrorism to India?

horny-rustacean

ICJ = 🤡 

India doesn't recognize it's jurisdiction anyways

yoo_si_jin

India recognises the jurisdiction of ICJ except in matters related to Commonwealth Nations and things which fall in its domestic domain.
It's International Criminal Court, of which India is not a signatory.

Felix-Walken

Well the treaty was brokered by World Bank and india is having every right to put the treaty in abbeyyance and ICJ cannot order india

Better_Apricot_3841

Correct - blood and water cannot flow together.

Stop cross-border terrorism, get water, love, dosti whatever you lack in your society.

TeriMaaKiLalChudiyan

If only the International Court also ordered pakistan to handover the terrorists they are hiding.

boywholived_299

_RJ_STARK

What international court? The one that Israel blatantly ignores? Cool, so shall we.

AntistaticAgent

Advanced_Mixture_103

******* court. 
Do they think the international world cares about it?

Additional-Button213

phoenixvc

HelpfulPace3368

For a court verdict to be enforced, both the parties need to be under the jurisdiction of the concerned court and there should be a law enforcing body and ICJ is meant for mass murdering individuals and terrorists so this whole body is a sham

pawar_shubham

TribalSoul899

Modi will be arrested for not following the ICJ ruling.. Rahul Gandhi will lead the justice...

SharpTwo7145

Isn't this a war crime? Blocking such an important water supply that is the reason why millions are alive?

Fresh_Dare_790

International Court of Arbitration to be exact, and it’s ruling doesn’t matter if both parties doesn’t agree

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What's there to debate? Nehru did many fcuk ups.

__sheesh___

Maybe he assumed his future generations would be smart enough to justify his monumental fcuk-ups. But turns out, stupidity mutated like a virus, each generation dumber than the last. 

Now we’ve got a proud parade of brain-dead clowns who say things like ‘yesterday morning I woke up at night’ and genuinely think they're deep.

Almost_Infamous

I think there should be debate in Parliament for issues created by Nehru. Call a special assembly for it as well.

So that BJP would not raise his name again.

Smilesk123

This is ignoring the socio economic background of that time. Hell, did we even have the engineering to do shit about it? No didn't, it was a treety that been signed or not would not have made a difference in actual war scenario. It was sign as a sign of peace, at the time the world barely trusted India.

khanmerajkita3517

For how many years he will keep doing this Nehru , Nehru Nehru....... Damn it  you are in power more than 10 years now , you do it.

Deathly_Vader

Indus Treaty was signed in 1960

I feel like India's didn't have enough of an influence to really do anything about it . Even if we had protested at that time , I don't think Soviet would back us up in this matter all that much in that matter.

Abhi cricket match Nehru khel rahe hai kya ?

Rukelele_Dixit21

Down the line, we will even discover Modi Ji's blunder 🥲

PatientKey2330

Ok build the dam then? it will take 200 years

quantumsurrealism

No one can deny it. Nehru had a very hazy and foggy mind. His decision making was weak. This is not a claim thrown out of nowhere, if you see the Kashmir issue, China War all were blunders. Did BJP not do blunders during Atal Bajpai's term? Yes they did. But the scale of blunders is the question here. After independence, we needed someone like Lee Kuan Yew. What he did to Singapore is astonishing. Singapore also had multiple religions and languages. It was a smaller country... yess but the issues were somewhat on similar lines. See that mosquito swamp grow up to one of the strongest passport in the world. And here, the foundation is built on weak decisions.

Shak1196

Nehru signed the treaty not because he was overly generous or naïve, but because:
He wanted long-term peace.
He believed India could maximize its share of rivers effectively.
He wanted to focus on nation-building, not water wars.
He was influenced by global diplomacy and mediation.
Let Modi correct Nehru mistake. You have been Pm for 11 years

Small-Respond-7275

and also paid money under IWT for construction of dams in pakistan over indus river.....

Bps33382

Chacha Lived in a world that never existed!
Being born n raised in aristocracy &amp; abundance, then closeness with both Brits and Ghandi made him further into his fantasy land...
He never had any first hand experience of governance or leadership traits..
For him, his "ideals" were more important than actual results..
He gave away UNSC seat to China

He argued on behalf of China which was annoyance to US

He refused US assistance to build Indian industry and economy, just because he leaned towards Socialism

Brought Kashmir to UNSC, which gave legitimacy to Pak!st@n claim to be international issues

He believed Chini will never attack India

List is long but what's the point of bringing this up again by BJPeee, it's not that they never made mistakes!

AlecRay01

Nehru was also the guy who said Muslims should stay back on humanitarian grounds. Like what bro ????? India would not be less secular if Muslims didn't stay back after asking for separate country/countries. 

No disrespect to current Muslims. Just that today's politics would be less complicated.

DesiBail

While we gave them 80% of water we have not been able to utilise the 20% allocated to us. The rivers flow into Pakistan. Stopping that flow will require billions of dollars of infrastructure investment that we did not have money for. The one institution that funds this sort of infrastructure projects is the World Bank. And guess who put the Indus Waters Treaty together? The World Bank.

Sumeru88

Other person mistakes doesn’t make your mistakes any lesser. Our pm is busy covering his track by talking and blaming others. Just because our past leaders were wrong doesn’t mean that his learning is correct.

External-Boss-3116

I agree that one should not divulge into the past so often. But, some mistakes done by Nehru and a few other leaders of India, in the recent history are wayyy too big- so big that India is still paying the price.

pure_cipher

I've said it before, the "ceasefire" wasn't India wussing out despite being a favourite to win the conflict. They had this trump card with them the whole time. Why waste lives when you can just do this?

thecoppermusicdude

Can't understand how pakistan are going to afford the 40, J-35 jets.

Priyotosh1234

When this treaty was designed, knowledge of glaciers were limited and it was very generous allocation to Pakistan. Mostly Nehru ( Indian PM) thought this will allow peace in the region

We all know that didnt happen. With change in demography and understanding that western river account for 80% of the total water flow, India tried to re negotiate the deal to allocate more % for its population considering the population growth in the region. But Pakistan didnt bother to negotiate for that

Even after Kargil attack, Parliament attack, Multiple city blasts, Mumbai city attack of 2008 and countless attacks in J&amp;K region, India kept this treaty alive and asked for re negotiation

But post Pahalgam attack, patience finally ran out. There is no need to have any water treaty. Pakistan and India can have the same status about river, like India and China have

pratyush_1991

Its sad for Pakistan, but it was coming for them. For over 2 years Indian government has been discussing over renegotitaing this treaty. And recent Phalgam attack really provided them with opportunity to actually suspend this as a tool to make sure that Pak do not harbour terrorist. We all know that's not going to happen as its whole identity revolves around attacking India and creating terror in India. It's safe to say that IWT is in abeyance forever or untill Pak remains in its today's form.

anshu2605

India has been looking to get out of the treaty for some time now. Not outright abolish it like now but they wanted to change somethings related to dams and power generation to represent the more modern technological requirements which were prohibited by the treaty.

Pakistan didn't help by just stonewalling every project india was building delaying it by years and decades by invoking arbitration which takes years to give a judgment in the process increasing India's frustration with the treaty. 

Pakistan failed to understand that there's noone stopping india from abolishing the treaty. International institutions are toothless in implementation of such treaties. Pakistan just keeps poking india expecting india to follow the treaty like in the past while it uses the treaty maliciously to delay genuine projects. This treaty was just give-give-give for india and such treaties are bound to fall apart. 

Everyone kept saying that this treaty has survived 4 wars so it will continue to survive. But everyone fails to realise that those wars happened when india was a financially weak nation. It couldn't have diverted the water even if it wanted to. It requires billions of dollars to fund such a project and no international institution would fund such a project primarily because it lies in an internationally disputed territory. 

Right now India not only has the money to fund it but it also has the incentive to fund it. India is in huge need of energy especially clean energy to power its growth and it requires more water in that region for farming. 

This was inevitable. Pakistan is just stuck in the past. Mentally and quite literally

GlitteringNinja5

Well "fuck around and find out" situation with pak now

NewTHULTHUL-exe

I see a lot of overzealous and misinformed people suggesting that these canals and dams are easy targets for military action. But nothing could be more far from truth. 

Dams are built with a lot of durability and strength mainly to hold the water back. Water stored behind a dam has an overwhelming force which when used to turn turbines generates a lot of power. The dams which are constructed to hold that water back are designed to endure that immense pressure. 

Bombing dams is an extremely difficult task, which requires very specialized bombs that only a select few countries have. Also bombing dams is a futile action as destroyed sections can be rebuilt quickly. A country which bombs another countries critical infrastructure will face immense international condemnation not to mention severe retaliatory action. Also for a lower riparian (downstream) state to bomb an upper riparian state's dams is nothing but suicide as a good portion of the water released will flood their own country. 

A lot of people are not realizing that the IWT suspension is a bigger ticking time bomb for pak than any military action would be. IWT is the real trump card that the Indian government has used this time. Now India just has to stay calm, build water storage capacity and watch pakistan panic.

KizaruMus

The reason behind the suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) is not that India wants people to suffer. It's because:

1. Pakistan has repeatedly supported or harbored terrorists who have carried out attacks on Indian soil.
2. The suspension of the treaty is intended to allow India to build dams, primarily for generating power for Jammu &amp; Kashmir and nearby regions.
3. No one is diverting an entire river system. The plan involves only a simple canal at the end point of the Chenab to divert a portion of its water approximately 60–70% into the Beas River.
4. India needs water. Punjab and Haryana have alarmingly low groundwater levels. Rajasthan and Delhi face severe drinking water shortages. Even parts of J&amp;K lack adequate irrigation.
5. Those raising concerns about the climate where were you when Pakistan was developing nuclear weapons? Or when China built the massive Three Gorges Dam?
6. Those who claim to care about humanity where were you when Pakistan was killing tourists or during the Mumbai attacks and other incidents? India has always pursued peace in the region; that's the only reason Pakistan has received so many chances. Even during times of war, India did not suspend the treaty.
7. If Pakistan truly cannot survive without India's water, then it should surrender its nuclear weapons and prioritize humanity first.

fffiiiiiyyyyyyyyyyy

Love to see some Pakistan sympathisers in the replies

VanillaIceGolem

Lol the circlejerk in the Pakistani sub is wild with this post and subject …either “go to the UN and cry about the treaty” or “go to war and bomb Indian dams and infrastructure.” Like bro, this isn’t Iran vs USA, you can’t just drop bombs and walk away. India’s not gonna sit back ..if there’s a conventional war, Pakistan gets steamrolled. If it ever goes nuclear (which no one actually wants), it’s game over for PK.

What they never mention is the most obvious and realistic option: just stop funding terrorists, stop the proxy crap, stop messing with Indian peace. That’s literally all India ever says ..you stop that, we’re chill, and the water flows as per Indian terms. It’s not some chest-thumping move, it’s just reality. India doesn’t see Pakistan as a serious threat anymore.

Pretty sure even the Pak establishment knows the only way out is to cool down, be civil with India, and everyone benefits.

liyakadav

SynthSydneyWizer

Good. This is what should happen when you facilitate terror attacks on your neighbor.

DefiantZealot

The most funny thing is that Pakistanis believe that they can win war against india😂😂😂

No-Philosophy-2208

This move will damage the army generals and politicians as Pakistan is a major agriculture export country and most of the arable land is in hold of the elites.I truly hope this move by India cripples those in power

Working-Section-7493

Mmhh looks good but divert some water in yamuna too it needs fresh water

Existing_Solution927

Isn't this basically guaranteeing a really, really fucked up war and/or a refugee crisis on a hitherto unimagined scale

landlord-eater

No country in the world can claim the resources of another country. It was the goodwill of India that they allowed 80-20 split of these waters. Pakistan should have had a friendly relationship with India. Now, the IWT is dusted, Pakistan can't really do anything about it unless it's a diplomatic talk. You can't attack another nation for its resources. You can't threaten another nation for their resources. A healthy relationship is the only way forward but I don't see that coming from Pakistan anytime soon. The international community won't say anything in it. India basically was always free to do what they wanted with the resources on their land. It was just a gesture of peace that IWT ever came into the picture.

DeliciousFireDragon

Accelerator____

For Pakistanis - wait &amp; watch how blood &amp; water isn’t going to flow together

lakshmi_chitfund_

Even in the Indus treaty, India does have the permission to build the run of the river dam.

It's not a water resource issue, it's way more than that. Geopolitics is in the center of it especially due to the pincer of China Pak in North.

But the thing is, GOI will build as much leverage as possible b4 the next showdown to pressurise Pakistani establishment( military).

Also India won't push Pakistan to that extent for its collapse or any major civil uprising in it because of a simple reason the population density of Pakistan is in the east of Indus river. Thus in case of mass civil uprising, they might start moving further East and Border is ultimately a fence so it won't be possible to hold 20 crore people.

Daddy_hindi

Been following this conversation on a Pakistani thread about this post.


https://www.reddit.com/r/pakistan/comments/1lhj3ay/how_feasible_and_realistic_it_really_is_and_will/


What I find surprising is that none of them even remotely talk about the possibility that their government/army gives up their "strategic assets" like Masood Azhar and Hafeez Saeed.


They are open to starve their people or start a war than to let go of these terrorists 🤦🏽‍♂️

kranthitech

Tall_Most_74

Efficient_Meme

LawyerSea9462

I understand that Indians have some alternative number system for big numbers ( those lakh and crores) but can we stick to millions and billions, please? International community doesn't understand lakhs and crores and they are even less intuitive than chinese/korean/japanese wans and yis.

berikiyan

Correction: 

India has put the treaty 'on hold' it hasn't revoked it yet as per official Indian government (rather than low level internal political propoganda)

Pakistan has revoked the Shimla Agreement in response thereby not recognising the LoC as a defacto border.

The whole thing takes us back to pre 1960s time.

AwarenessNo4986

Yeah let's see when it actually gets completed 

im_just_depressed

Pakistan deserves the wrath , they take no action against public terrorists

Defiant-Nail8326

The last thing I do is to read or reply to Pakistanis anywhere online. It's a waste of time to engage with a bunch of people who have only seen decline ever since they came into existence, and all of that because of the lies they tell themselves.

All that Pakistanis can do is to talk online and find some comfort in Indians giving them some attention. Let's not waste our time on them, we have got work to do, unlike them, who only talk and talk.

We reduced our extreme poverty from 27% to 11% in the last 10 years, theirs increased from 30% to 39%. They're weak, lazy and incompetent. They couldn't produce a single leader in 75 years who can uplift them, they're a breed of losers bound to self-destruct.

Again, let's not waste our time answering them, they're nobodies, let's work hard and help our government and army beat them to pulp.

Due-Honeydew-6687

This is a much better comment section than others sub for the same news. On other subs it's just people talking about humans who just should live in peace without having any idea about the complexity of the world and human beings or that things aren't black and white.

inevitable__guy__

I'm sure this will definitely stop attacks on India from Pakistan. No way this will backfire at all

Eta I have no idea what India should do, but backing your enemy into a corner generally doesn't make them less violent.

WorryNew3661

I’m not a supporter of either side but isn’t this some kind of crime against humanity?

GetTheLudes

La Hawla wa La Quwatta Illa Billahilaliyuladheem Rabighfirli

WeeklyEmu4838

i_am_not_bat_man

formidable_dagger

Pakistan currently in the FO stage of FAFO

boinwtm0ds

Pakistan should have thought twice before using terrorism as a foreign policy tool.

This thread: Indians pretending to be Americans posting their perspective to other Indians pretending to be Americans.

Staplersarefun

Yeah trying to cause an entire country to die of dehydration won't cause a war at all. Amd even if it does, it isnt like Pakistan has nukes. Nothing to worry about here. Big nothing burger. 

_Batteries_

THE SHERE NUMBER OF DELUSION PAKISTANI'S IN HERE , TRYING THEIR BEST TO JUSTIFY THEMSELVES IS PEAK COMEDY 🤣🤣

Odd-Leading1

This is the sort of shit that happens when the UN and international law becomes completely useless. Mass starvation of rival nations and the weaponisation of the most basic resource we have. China will be doing the same soon enough with dams too. And I believe Sudan (?) have a dam that will restrict much of the Nile.

AnonymousTimewaster

hakkahuya69

To stop the natural flow of rivers and waterways is a Human Rights Violation. But yeah, y'all continue to feel proud for starving neighboring countries, and inflicting collective punishment. This is what the lowest of the low would do.

--CashMoney--

Expecting Pakistan not hitting theae targets is like expecting india to occupy Lahore and Pakistan not responding 


After all its signed agreement backed by world bank

zeey1

RandomRedditor_1916

India breaking international law..China will do the same to India.

General_Papaya_4310

This was such a BOLD move. Bash me or abuse me for saying this but this BJP govt had guts to pull this off and Congress didn't in 2008. It was fucking damn too clear that Pakistan did that to us and we did nothing. If we would have taken that step before things would have been lot different. Let's hope in coming years we get this project done and no politics gets in between.

Administrative-Past6

Jhasaram

FaizaPKI

aspirine199

AstroTurfing by Indian bot accounts in full force i see

LavaPurple

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