Public sentiment surrounding the Pakistan-Saudi Arabia defense pact is mixed, reflecting support for the alliance and concern about its implications for regional stability, particularly regarding India. While many view the pact as a necessary strategic move against perceived threats, there is skepticism about its effectiveness and potential to escalate tensions rather than resolve them. The discourse is polarized, with an evident anti-India narrative alongside calls for peace and unity among Muslim nations.

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If this agreement also includes a Pakistani nuclear umbrella, then Israel's ambitions for the country has just be destroyed overnight.

starbucks_red_cup

We are happy about it too here, public opinion in Saudi also supports the alliance with Pakistan. 

it’s good to have each other support in our hard times🫂

NJ_Gmd

I love it, first of all, despite what the internet will have you believe we do have a lot of love and respect for our Pakistani brothers and sisters. 

First of all there's a big message, If Saudi, who is America's most critical ally in the region, doesn’t trust U.S. protection anymore, why should anyone else? And the fact that Washington didn’t (or couldn’t) stop it says a lot. also, I'd trust Pakistan over the US any day.I don't think anyone ever fully trusted the US, but after Qatar, that trust is at an all time low. 

This is also huge for multiple reasons:

Nuclear umbrella: Saudi now benefits from Pakistan’s nukes. Pakistan doesn’t follow a “no first use” policy either, meaning they’re willing to strike first. So the Middle East is now split into two nuclear-backed blocs: U.S./Israel vs Pakistan/Saudi.

China tie-in: Since most of Pakistan’s weapons come from China, Saudi just indirectly aligned itself with Beijing’s military industry. This also extends the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor straight to the Gulf, bypassing the Strait of Malacca and securing China’s energy flow.

India’s headache: India now faces a nightmare scenario, its archrival Pakistan just became the defender of one of its main oil suppliers. That also wrecks the India-Middle East-Europe corridor the U.S. was pushing to counter China’s Belt and Road.

Money side: The petrodollar takes another hit. Without relying on U.S. protection, Saudi is freer to sell oil in other currencies.

All in all this is great news. I truly wish we could have a NATO-like alliance for all muslim countries, not just military assistance but sharing technology and experience the same way NATO does.

AnonymousZiZ

Congratulations to both countries from an Indian.

finalsolution4brits

Hopefully this expands to more countries, someday we might have a NATO like military alliance

xDiablo96

As a Pakistani born and raised in Saudia. This brings a smile to my face.

I have always considered both my home, and it warms my heart to see an alliance between them.

yo_koso_9

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Inshallah sooner or later 🇸🇦🇵🇰🇵🇸

hanzala1515

aymanhbas

الحمدلله على القيادة الرشيدة

Feeling-Beautiful584

Salt-Raisin-9359

Great to see the ummah reuniting against tyrants. Love from Pakistan

healthgrind

We are all happy if someone isnt happy hes a israeli agent saying lies

Cold_Personality_507

we gonna celebrate this 🎉🎉🎉🎉🥳

1Azooz

Definitely happy about it. We need a nuclear umbrella during these dangerous times and more reliable partners apart from the US.

West_Cartographer272

If you really want an Islamic military coalition to be effective you need to include: KSA, Pakistan Turkey, Iran, Algeria and Egypt.
Morroco as well if you want access to the ocean and a stronger control of the Mediterranean. But I doubt they'd be willing to break ties with the US.
It's really not a difficult thing to achieve, the countries  just need to be serious about it and be willing to break off their ties to the West.
With Turkey Iran and Pakistan, you have producton, which is something you require even if it's not the highest tech.
Pakistan you have a nuclear deterance.
The guild countries can offer funding and help with RnD and weapons purchase.
Egypt and Algeria would offer the largest and best trained militaries in the Arab world.
Many of the countries mentioned have huge manpower reserved with most of them having mandatory enlistment.
You'd control the most vital trade routes and geographical locations if it spans all of the Islamic work, Panama canal, Hormuz straight and if Morroco joins, Jiberaltar. Not to mention the largest oil and gas reserves on the planet.
Europe will not be able to be hostile because they fucking need us, the US can't provide for them. And they already have strained relationships with other energy providers like Russia. 
As for weapons purchasing, just switch from the western camp, to the eastern one. Russia, China and India are more than willing to sell you their weapons.
It really is a matter of our leaders not being little bitches.
When it comes to economy, the West might decide on some sanctions and all and while the solution to that isn't going to be the easiest to implement, and would cause some difficulties in the first couple years, it's a simple one. Change fucking markets and stop using the USD. Easy.

Onismiac

I imagine it to be 2 nations only, maybe the next alliance is Turkey and Egypt  
but if Iran joined Pakistan and Saudi, there must be a peace noble prize lol

Straight_Koala_3444

I don't think Turkey will join a defense pact that could compel it to get bogged down in a Middle Eastern war because this could leave Turkey exposed against a Russian attack. The only mutual defense treaty Turkey has other than NATO is with Azerbaijan, and that's because it's consistent with Russian containment.

Rey_del_Doner

Bahrain, UAE?, Egypt.

Anyway, our conventional capacity is low, especially 2-3000km away &amp; we are NOT nuking anyone for occasional airstrikes on our ally.

So unless we start seeing stuff like bilateral command center, joint mass defence production of critical weapons, regular interoperability exercises, 5th gen platforms, this pact is as useless in non-nuclear war as GCC's own mutual defence pact.

If Saudi are serious and start investing in the pact today, maybe the agreement will have teeth by 2035-40. As it stands now, it's just a paper

SameStand9266

If I was in control of this I would pick to join Saudi and Pak:

- Afghanistan: incredibly battle tested army who will fight any day of the week with the right financial support

- Egypt: they have some of the worlds largest stockpiles of artillery and also vast stockpiles of military vehicles 

- Yemen: Just like the Afghans, they are ready 

- Syria and Lebanon: both strategically positioned and are battle tested

- Turkey: great naval and air force fleet and hold good power and fighting force

I’d send a special “F*ck you, you’re not invited” to Jordan and Morocco

P45htun

Palestine to have all our most holy sights under nuclear umbrella.

PossibleGazelle519

One of the best thing happened for Pakistan … we should form an allience &amp; unite against a common enemy.

For Once Only for Ummah !!!

Extreme_Wolverine_41

None of this means anything because we know the only threat in the region is Israel and no country is going to rise against Israel/usa. Not to mention that summer of the outlined countries engage in active warfare against one another.

ImamTrump

SnooWoofers7603

Hey, China and Russia too.
After all, IsNOTreal "the middle eastern demokracy" is partying with the Eurovision peeps.

Mix and mingle, boys. Mix and mingle.

And besides, Arabs are Asian too. 😋
Arabs, Russia, China, the new global peacekeeping force 😋 (just a bit of sarcasm, no one is an angel, but much better than the current "peacekeepers" 🤤)

Shadouness

I don’t think the alliance will progress to more than a few nations. Plus if Israel has the backing of the US to do something it will do it, everyone in that list combined cannot do anything about it. America/Israel airplanes are almost invisible expect for very few air systems which can target it. , which maybe turkey has in extremely limited quantity. So in short nothing will happen if people join or not it will mostly be symbolic at best.

drakness110

Ppl are missing the point even if Israel did invade Saudi to complete the map of Greater Israel Pakistan wouldn’t attack it’s just on paper as a measure of deterrence

LuckyChampionship865

The rest of the GCC, Jordan, Egypt, and Turkey

Qatar and UAE are second India. They'd never have any alliance with Pakistan. They'd certainly join any alliance against Pakistan for sure. Same goes out for Algeria who are in total love with India and even support on Kashmir while blocking the same Pakistani passport from their visas on which Ben Bella gave his speeches in UN. Turkey won't jeopardize it's NATO membership at any cost. We can speculate about Malaysia or Indonesia joining such an alliance though. I'm still surprised on KSA taking this step but the amount of love, obsession and admiration Arabs have for India, they'd rather contribute to the destruction of Pakistan than making an alliance with Pakistan.

blackthunderstorm1

Riyhad has no capacity to attack India

Pakistan has limited capacity to attack Israel unless they move their fighters/missiles to Saudi.


Saudi’s however have money to fund Pak defense spending.

A buck is better spent in Pakistan than Saudi forces for the bang.

Interesting to see how US reacts to Pakistani Chinese built systems co existing with frontline US systems

OkCustomer5021

Doubt Saudis wish for it to be against India, given how much they already have invested in India, and have more economic benefit from that than investing in Pakistan. And this is just formalisation of long standing relationship, where Saudi funds Pakistan which in turn provides a defence net for the Saudis. This looks more to be a response to Israeli adventurism and perhaps against bulwark against Iran than anything else.

Dinowere

It would not surprise me if we found that years later that this was the start of the Saudi nuclear weapons programme. It feels like something is missing, they are doing this for more than the Iranian threat.

No_Awareness_3212

I don't see the point. Saudi does not have any Aircraft carrier or credible blue water navy that could sail up to India nor Missiles that trouble India.Saudi did not acquire F16 and PAF can't leverage other assets of Saudi at the drop of hat.

 Riyadh knows that India will not strike Saudi as it is under US protection. This is an open play by Riyadh for Pak's nukes as a counter to Iran.

WannabeTechieNinja

Pakistan has army and saudi has money. Pakistan needs money and saudi needs a competent army that has nuclear power. It's a match made in heaven which will benefit both countries.

protonsters

Worth mentioning that Saudi Arabia bankrolled Pakistan’s nuclear program to begin with and Pakistan once had 10,000~ troops stationed in Saudi Arabia. But Saudi Arabia does not have the means to defend Pakistan/attack India.

turi_guiliano

Even if Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have arranged a new defence pact, be sure the Crowned Prince has made sure India and Pakistan will not have a war during the defence pact validity.

TimelyNetwork8204

Not surprising at all that Saudi has done this and India should not really be too unsettled. India has gone above and beyond to accommodate the Saudis and are one of their largest economic clients. If they still decide to openly criticize and insult India like Turkey and Malaysia have been doing of late, that means that Saudi Arabia was never a desirable partner to begin with. MBS has a very different personality than Erdogan and is a far more practical and reasonable leader so I would be very surprised if he were to go that way and pick up fights against India on Pakistan's behalf. The Saudis will at most give the Pakistanis money or some diplomatic support, which they have historically done anyways until recently. In addition, this is nothing new for the Saudis who have been playing a double-game with India. On one hand, they promise help to combat extremism while on the other hand they promote radical Salafist madrassas that teach hatred against Indian culture. However, MBS is an educated leader (unlike joker Erdogan) and will do what is best for his country, which doesn't seem to be antagonizing India and forcing it to be iron-clad with Israel.

Adventurous_Pen_7151

India is not unsettled by this pact.

A lot of countries will want to test this defense pact and India is last on that list. Israel, Iran, Yemen, Afghanistan will all test this defense pact before India does. 

IMO, Pak and SA made themselves a target by projecting strength. Everyone will want to test the resolve of Pak and SA. And this will also increase covert operations and non-attributable hybrid warfare attacks on both of them. 

What this pact does is it further solidifies Pakistan as a security state. The army will have a greater say in running of the country.

As far as India is concerned, PoK will be fair game to attack and also move forces across since PoK is technically not Pakistani territory (so SA can’t treat it as an assault on its partner). In essence, this pact has expedited Indian takeover of Kashmir. But that’s how the Pak army traditionally functions - lose ground to project a threat and therefore centralise more authority of what’s left of the country.

And in the event of a conflict over PoK, SA will now curb Pak’s hand. SA can’t afford to lose Pak’s military assets because the purpose of those assets, in the opinion of SA, is to protect SA interests. 

So overall, the pact strengthens the army grip of Pakistan, but it exposes PoK as far as India is concerned.

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Pakistan should take benefit of this treaty by establishing military bases in Saudi Arabia.

Haql seems to be a good choice for a military base.

TGScorpio

We should leverage this to get the Saudi's to help fund building a domestic arms industry.

ForIAmTalonIV

Saudi citizens get protection, but what do Pakistani citizens get from this deal? nothing. whatever money Saudi gives will go into the generals pockets.

SiegePlayer7

The common folk gets nothing out of it, the Army eats all the benefits.

JackBreacher

Consistent_Level3527

There is also another theory behind this according to me. That trump gave the greenlight for this. I think trump wanted to get all the US troops in the middle east back home in exchange for being nice to pakistan and helping them. Our establishment agreed to this deal in hope for some kind of a bonus. Lets see

Similar-Internet-666

Why does Pakistan want to ally with Saudi Arabia when our own people suffer?

Willing-Law-3244

It's all BS. Does Pakistan have a permanent military base in Saudi Arabia, and vice versa? Can Pakistan deploy its air assets in Saudi Arabia? 

Consider NATO. Multiple NATO countries deployed air defence systems inside Poland after Russian vioation. US deployed its missile systems inside Japan. British, Germany and France run air patrols over Poland with the Polish air force.

There is nothing like that between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Do we have Pakistani military personnel in Saudi Arabia, and vice versa?

I_L_F_M

Mjhy samjh nhi ati k Pakistan k log poora naksha kyn nhi use krty. Ye video 100% India mein bani hui

_abubakar

When they are attacked by ...whom exactly?

ProfessionalLaugh624

The country that hid Osama Bin Laden for 10 years will protect with nuclear weapons the country Osama Bin Laden came from.

Immediate-Analyst974

GK0NATO

Isn’t a weapon of mass destruction haram according to Islamic ethics?

New-Experience5507

this was about to happen one way or the other, since US has shown where it's priorities lie in the last few days (and years) they are getting ready to protect themselves. A strategic move and one that can have more implications than visible

kaneki_uzumaki20

If this prevents Saudi Arabia from getting nukes of its own, which has been speculated for years, than I dont think it is a bad thing.

JadedArgument1114

lol. Saudi can’t even protect their own oilfields without the US. They are going to do absolutely nothing in a war between India and Pakistan.

lLikeCats

Us should not have let qatar get bombed by israel. Really bad implications overall


Pretty sure other gulf countries are considering this too since us is no longer reliable (what the point of cooperation when israel has no consequences? ) 

Mannipx

No shit Sherlock. If Ukraine proved one thing it's that you need nuclear weapons because the US can't be trusted to protect your back even with a rock solid memorandum under your arm. 

Every middle sized power in the world has learned this lesson. Saudi Arabia, Iran, turkey, Poland, South Korea, even Japan and bloody Germany. Russia with their war of aggression and the US with a weak ass response (not too mention outright collaboration under this administration) killed non-proliferation. 

Enjoy these last year's of nuclear-war-free years, it won't last.

Rhaegar0

It's not like that's a secret. MBS had literally said he could buy the nuclear bomb from Pakistan.

Sleepapnea5

So if China attacks Pakistan, Saudi will come to defend it ?

AbrocomaOk9726

Good for them, US has proved that it's untrustworthy, KSA can't rely on them. this pact may look "anti - Israel", but the deeper motive is more about holding off Iran.

Ok_Dragonfruit_370

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ZarnonAkoni

Isn't this a violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty?

Maaster_Mind

Man that Pakistani person is so cute. Look at him, he looks like a doll.

Kaito__1412

So this is the cover for Trump selling the Saudi's the plans huh?

sp3kter

Some hypotheses is India and Pakistan will be the start of the Nuclear craziness.

ScarredOldSlaver

Just give every country in the Middle East nuclear weapons, maybe they will all come to their senses! The MAD(mutually assured destruction)  doctrine might be a good way to stabilise the region. If not "shit happens" Maybe it will be a good thing for the world!

alpha77dx

It’s ironic/funny that Pakistan is likely doing this as a move against Israel, but an attack on Saudi is much more likely to come from one of Pakistan’s buddies (ie Iran)

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