Public opinion is predominantly negative towards the US-Pakistan relations, particularly criticizing Trump's comments and questioning the authenticity of peace efforts. Many commenters express distrust in both US and Pakistan's leadership, fearing that US involvement primarily serves its own interests. While a minority holds out hope for better relations, the overall sentiment is marked by skepticism and frustration over perceived false diplomacy.

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If I had to guess, leverage to get India to stop buying Russian oil

IndependentThink4698

I’d suggest looking at reportage since February 2022 from The Intercept and then DropSite News about Pakistan. Though denied, it is clear that the U.S. at the very least indirectly told Pakistan’s military that overthrowing Imran Khan would lead to better ties. They were quite displeased that Khan went to Russia soon after the invasion of Ukraine and publicly declared neutrality.

IMF shenanigans were provided for Pakistan in exchange for munitions to be sent to Ukraine; munitions that the West does not have the capacity to produce.

Edit: adjusted the last sentence for grammar.

not_GBPirate

The first reason to come to mind is to pressure India with the "stick" over its Russia ties.

But the relations have also improved in their own right notably since the Israel-Iran War. It seems likely that Pakistan helped the US who then helped Israel with intelligence on Iran during the war.

There is also the tertiary motivation to step up engagement so Pakistan doesn't become a Laos-type vassal to China. Pakistan is greatly populated &amp; militarized, giving China access to the Indian Ocean so this is important for the US to compete/counter.

That last reason though only matters because the US feels India does not do enough to counter China particularly in the Pacific (India is against the militarization of the Quad).

Still_There3603

As a Chinese, I think the answer is simple: because Pakistan proved its worth in the air war with India and raised its international status.


If the U.S. continues to do nothing to Pakistan, Pakistan will completely fall back to China (in fact, Pakistan is already deeply cooperating with China politically, economically, and militarily), and the U.S. has nothing to squeeze Pakistan with, so adopting a soft policy is the only option.


The US realizes that India is not strong enough to clamp down on China - they are even at a disadvantage in a military confrontation with Pakistan, so how can they expect India to pressure China?

bjran8888

Daily reminder that the US has supported Pakistan for longer than Israel, still gives them tech and money despite them housing Daniel Pearl’s murder and (of all people) Osama Bin Laden, and even supported them with a nuclear threat WHILE Pakistan was issuing genocidal fatwas to rape and kill non-Muslims in now Bangladesh to the tune of numbers that are only dwarfed by the actual Holocaust in 1971.

IOW, if this is “rapprochement”, then I don’t know what “total and utter ally” is.  I’m only half kidding when I say that Pakistan could potentially nuke Delhi and subsequently issue a fatwa to rape all non Muslim women in Mumbai, and somehow the Americans (and Chinese) would find some way to look past it with hardly a peep from Europe.  Maybe a few “smh” online though.

resuwreckoning

American Deep state always been closer to Pakistan going back 1950s. 

Stupid corporate Dem love Bharat.

PossibleGazelle519

Improving relations with India without fully alienating Pakistan has always been how the USA has done things. 

An alienated Pakistan moves closer to China, while an alienated India moves closer to Russia. 

However, considering how weak Russia is now, perhaps this is shifting, and India moving closer to Russia isn't as much of a concern.

I'm quite interested to see how this all turns out.

mynameakevin

Rumors are rife that Pakistani F-16s might be eligible for V (Blk 70) upgrades.

Clearly, Pakistan is currently in the good books of USA because:

1-Pakistan showed extreme composure and calm and de-escalatory motives during recent Indo Pak clashes even though India attacked Pakistan with absolute no reasoning and got its ass whipped

2-Pakistan downed each of India's top fighter jets, Rafales, MKI, M2K, Mig 29 with no loss of own. Pakistan could have shot down way more. There is nothing India has that can out range Pl15 missiles.

3-USA wasn't expecting this, and US intelligence informed Trump that Indians are about to be sent to oblivion on May 9th, which is what forced USA to get into ceasefire talks

4-USA knows and world knows that Pakistan is a powerful country in south asian and central asian region. India is no where near what it portrays itself to be. India cannot win from Pakistan let alone counter China.

5-Americans have been pretty pissed with Indians, H1Bs, Tech ofshoring etc. So Americans themselves don't have soft corner for Indians anymore

If anything, this is all positive for Pakistan and Pakistan must take this opportunity. Recently, the US EXIMP also approved financing for Reko Diq.....this is rare and rarely US EXIMP banks approve loans for Pakistani projects.

Important-Parsley-38

trump don't like losers.. and when he said 5 jets got shot down, he knows exactly who shot down who.

on and india is too smart for itself, believe in nothing, not aligned with anyone, no full comittment whatsoever, but absolutely takes any tiny small advantage it can.. reselling russian oil, reselling chinese rare earth etc.. earning tiny money but piss off everyone at the same time... but yet still want the benefit from all sides... all that does is that you so smart, no one trusts you, just literally ask anyone about the reputation of indian businessman in the world, never EVER do payment plan with indian businessman, 100% full front cash payment or nothing else, if you dont, your indian buyer's deposit = full payment lol

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Did Hamas agree to this? Did Trump even talk to any Palestinians? Did Israel agree, because I doubt Israel agreed? This plan is just a joke, and should be ignored. 


Israel is the one who should gradually withdraw from the whole of Palestine, not just Gaza. Israel should withdraw from the West Bank as well.


Where is the recognition of Palestine in the agreement? The US and Israel don't even recognize Palestine, so how can they make a "deal" with people they don't think exist? 



Why is the page in purple too? Did they spill wine all over the page? Lol This looks like a magazine, not a serious document.

WhyWasIBanned789

SupfaaLoveSocialism

Only Indonesia is surprising. The rest have been the US’s bitch and will remain the US’s bitch.

If they had any decency, they would have died of shame a long time ago.

SentientSeaweed

\&gt; new hopium dropped

\&gt; "two state solution", no condemning Isntreal, nothing about "no further attacks"

\&gt; realize it's just another plan to destroy Palestine. Faith in Indonesia and Pakistan severely dropped.

Thanks, idiots. All you can do is to worship the U.S. With this plan, Palestine is no more.

Wirmaple73

MayTalles

Licking Trump's butt, a timeless strategy, let's see if it works. 

But they will soon find out that he requires constant licking, not a one time payment. Next he will ask us to nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize.

cipher_ix

custardraisin98

Evil people triumph because the good people aren't allowed to do anything in penalty of humiliation. Feels bad.

FantasyBorderline

"sincere efforts"

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🌮🌮 🍊 man

Gold-Cantaloupe6047

PerhapsxPossibly

Trump certainly has a knack for negotiating peace with the aggressors without the defenders' input, doesn't he?

LegitimateAd5334

Ordine1412

Mantap Bapak Presiden Prabowo Subianto.  
Memang hanya beliau yang bisa menyelamatkan Indonesia dan Gaza. 🥰

Obvious_Lie_0927

You know, Trump's effort to end the war in Gaza is to dismantle Hamas and Mahmoud Abbas government in Palestine and doesnt even care about 2SS, they're walking into a trap agreeing to Donny and Bibi motion

Kentato3

Anyone who are against this supports the continuation of atrocities towards Palestinians.

Herodriver

Nah ini baru bener. Rencananya jelas dan lengkap, nggak setengah2. Dari bantuan sampe solusi akhir, semua dipikirin. Langkah diplomasi kayak gini harus dikawal bareng2.

TempeTahu

Turkey recognizes Armenia, Turkey recognized all post Soviet break up states. It's just border is not open, closed back in 1993 due to pressure from Turkish right wing politicians Erbakan and Turkes. It's still not open, we're all waiting for a left wing government to fix things up completely. There's a normalization process going on between Pashinian and Erdogan right now but it's unlikely end up anywhere  as Erdogan is unlikely to reopen churches and religious institutions that are needed for full relations. The government still owns many key Armenian religious properties such as Akdamar in Van.

Ninevolts

Very interesting. I never knew Pakistan used to take such a strong stance on Armenia.

EnormousMatter

What does fully recognised mean exactly? Is there a number limit of countries recognising you that you pass and now you’re fully recognised?

ninjomat

Finally. Always hated this stupidity by our govt. 

Love and well wishes for Armenia and its people.❤️

ComplexTell25

Why doesn't South Sudan recognize Armenia?

ZhenXiaoMing

i think normalisation with armenia is very plausible if nagorno-karabakh question is solved

jarisius

Only yesterday I found out on Wikipedia that Pakistan didn't recognize Armenia. What a coincidence.

Kamil1707

Pakistan recognize or not, it doesn't matter. Even Pakistanis don't know where Armenia is!

amisri

StrawberryPale4697

![gif](giphy|UXhDWhop2zOmGxe3pK|downsized)

I_own_California

Eh it's more important to be cool with turkey and Azerbaijan but Pakistan relation won't do much tbh for Armenia

ineedhelpXDD

Pakistan's support for Azerbaijan isn't really because of religion. It's because of the philanthropy of an Azerbaijani millionaire who helped Pakistan when it was struck by plague at the start of the 20th century.

EDIT: Okay, where did this sudden influx of downvotes come from? What did I say that was so upsetting?

RedRobbo1995

Whoisjoe2009

now they will destroy Armenia mass immigration and rap\*st.

gotham_33

And like how’s that going to help Armenia?

DragonD888

It is not yet an officially recognized state as South Sudan has not yet recognised it.

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colbert had his show cancelled in america , my friend. A journalist critical of the ruling echelons in Pakistan, Arshad Sharif, was forced to flee Pakistan, forced to be on the run, and then assasinated following multiple hours of torture. The news was then broadcats on all major TV as a thinly veiled threat to anyone whod follow his footsteps. Multiple others (Imran riaz, Sabir Shakir) are on the run and taking refuge in UK and US. so Pakistan is Trump time 100000 and no guard rails present from the judiciary since theyre all compromised.

Background-Ideal-862

He's not saying anything that he's forbidden to speak about just like Pakistani journalists. Tell him to call Apartheid israel an Apartheid state or an ethno-fascist state, he wont. Tell him to call the ongoing Holocaust a Holocaust instead of israel-hamas conflict, he won't. Ask him why the first question he asked Mamdani was if israel has the right to exist even though he's a mayoral candidate and has nothing to do with foreign policy. 

There are things he's allowed and not allowed to talk about. He hasn't said a single thing that hundreds of people haven't already said on national television. Make a post when he actually says something of substance.

hotmugglehealer

Did Colbert term the massacre in Gaza a 'genocide'? As far as I know, he didn't. Has he talked about the much substantiated theory that Epstein was working for Mossad?

Celebrities in Pakistan are afraid of the powerful, and in the same way, celebrities in the US are afraid of the powerful. It's just that the powerful group is different. Trump apparently isn't that powerful for Colbert to have to worry about him. All those American universities who surrendered to the Trump regime, for them Trump was powerful enough.

&gt;And Colbert isn't even supposed to be a political figure. He's a talk show host ffs. But he's not afraid that he'll be kidnapped or ki lled.

Because he won't "be kidnapped or ki lled". Why should he be afraid? Pakistani celebrities don't have that security.

AhmadFarooq

As a Pakistani American living in America, you are far too impressed by the optics. America is a shithole. People here are dying because they can't afford medicine like insulin. The entire society here is built just to enrich the wealthy. There is an American diaspora happening as we speak with many people leaving America to live abroad.

I myself am planning to move to Islamabad shortly.

Our president \*literally\* is a felon, and has credible allegations against him for raping minors. United States kills women and children, and is directly funding the genocide in Gaza.

Pakistan is not America, we have a different structure. But free speech gives us American \*jack shit\*. My taxes are being used to kill children in Gaza and I have no say in it.

America is built and runs on the backs and sweat of everyday working people. We have no middle class in America anymore. Vast majority of the wealth literally is in the hands of 1% of people. The rich live by a different set of rules, trafficking sex slaves with impunity.

Don't be so impressed with America. I have learnt to appreciate Pakistan so much as I grow older and understand geopolitics.

Edit:

America, a country where corruption is LEGAL and enshrined in the LAW. Congress people do insider trading, make millions off information no one else has access to. The judiciary is bought by billionaires, accepting "gifts" worth millions. Entire legislative and executive branch are bought and paid for by lobbying groups like AIPAC.

Our elected officials care more about Israel than their own constituents. 

SCREW America. It's nothing more than a shithole.

Because the state could turn off your channel at a whim, I don't blame the journalist for not speaking the truth I just despise those who justify this censorship. 
Also whatever Colbert says he would not be picked up in the middle of the night etc. trump is a fascist but he still has to play by the rules in that society although I am pretty sure he would want nothing more than have the impunity we have in Pakistan

Environmental-Net-60

I tend to agree with your sentiments but just like people, nations also need time to grow and understand their worth. America was not all sunshine and rainbows. They had several civil wars and 1000s of protests to get to where they are now. America and the west had a very dark history. They learn from their mistakes and become a world power.

 Pakistan was made by intellectuals like Jinnah and Iqbal among other great personalities. Our forefathers fought and believed in Pakistan. Unfortunately, we have been hijacked by dictators and are getting corrupted over time. I am hopeful that our time will change but it also starts from bottom up not top down as many like to believe.

irtiq7

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