Public sentiment surrounding transgender rights in India reveals a complex and divided landscape. While some celebrate recent legal advances like the Supreme Court's decision as a pivotal step towards inclusivity, a predominant theme across comments reflects skepticism and concern regarding actual societal acceptance and the safety of transgender individuals. Many commenters discourage relocating to India, highlighting ongoing discrimination and suggesting more progressive countries as viable alternatives.

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Look at people around you. I'm sure not everyone would be paying that much to them.  How are they getting by? Watch and learn.

Legally, I don't think police would be interested in helping you much. Also, I'm sure they must be paying the cops a share.

erohtar

Well it's up to you how much you want to stand your ground, if you decide to, then here are some suggestions:

Most people, despite appearance want to avoid actual fights and are more than content to just be verbal. If you remain stoic and do NOT repond AT ALL and simply try your hardest to move on then something called learned behaviour will kick in and they will ignore you as are not a tree which drops fruit when shaken. Giving them money makes them a hundred times more likely to target you. Remember the human mind is very sharp and it learns over time, teach them that you don't pay. 

Be polite if you speak, give excuses that you don't earn or something. Try not to appear as if you think they are beneath you.

If they push you around then of course you again cannot teach them that you will just take it but you cannot actually hit them back as it kicks in the closed loop of hitting where obviously those retards would want an arm, leg, kidney and liver in exhcange for a fingernail.

Finally it helps to have friends, those are your first line of defense and the above mentioned methods are not so necessary if you can just threaten them back, you could for example be related to a community leader, be friends with the police, know a lawyer and then give them one nice smack of threats to get them to avoid you. If not try above methods.

Don't be stupid and try to fight them alone. 

Oh yeah and if you can bother to, take pictures and store them somewhere outside your phone, call someone you know and keep the recording on on the other end so you have their identity if you ever need to report them.

TheAtomicShuriken

You should have taken a video of them harassing the tourist. Then only some action would have been taken after the video gets viral. They are truly a nuisance, touching and almost molesting people in public, begging for money when they are able bodied!

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not only do they harrass you to pay up, they bang their hands against your cars windows and body and destroy your paint with their long nails if you refuse to pay and try to get away. It isnt like all of them are bad i have come across some peaceful ones who sell flowers or something, but most of the community is full of these beautiful donkeys who are bentover on destroying your car. The basically say loose 500 now or 5000 later.

Nottheimposter1234

There are many job trade events government has for trans folks.

Rotary organised quiet a few skill development projects for trans folks, taught them accounting, a few skills like plumbing, carpentry, driving etc. I personally taught accounting through this event.

The thing is extorting money is easy, no need to bend your back and work. Had this issue near my place as well. A group of trans used to Harass men on bikes and autos, apparently some guy lost it on them and I’ve never seen them around.

They came in a group to extort money on my house warming, asked my dad 15k. Me and my big group of cousins came out holding cricket bats and what not they resorted to the flight response.

Le_Bishhh

&gt;Why won't they find a job and work like NORMAL people.

There are barely any employment opportunities for them. The society kicked them out. Desperate times make people take desperate measures. I am in no way justifying what they do. I earn money and don't have a problem giving them. But one day, as i was doing a UPI transfer to them, this trans person thought it was okay to slide their hand up my thigh. Basically i got sexually abused while giving them money. Changed my perspective from that day. Some people are assholes regardless of their past or the situation they are currently in. Being trans doesn't give a person a free ticket to harass people.

advocate_infjt

You are a student and as a general rule, most people wouldn't expect you to have that sort of money to give up, so just say no. worked for me for much complicated situations. Just like any other human being, make sure you don't insult them and you should be okay. Nuance below.

How to face the problem: 
You will come across many people who ask you for assistance but you should only do it if you want to. You definitely don't want to in this case, and I recommend you be stern with them about it and say no ("maaf karo"). 

Another option is to take it lightly and say that you are a student and don't have money. However this is tricky if you aren't comfortable talking to strangers because if you engage with them, you open yourself to a negotiation which might not end at 0rs. 

A good thing about your situation is that you are in an vehicle and you only have to wait till the red light is over ( i presume that's where you encounter them). So you can even ignore or stall them for a couple of minutes (it's likely that they will lose interest well before that) and be on your way. 

Also, a decent auto driver or people around you (if there are any) will object to a student being harassed for money. So keep that in mind too if you are worried about safety. Remember the risk reward, almost no one is going to put up a show over not getting 200 rs, IF THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND. They would probably be better off trying to score from others. 

Some alternative solutions:
If you are being stopped BY these people, then there is something wrong with your auto driver for stopping. Look into taking a different auto or different mode of transport (cabs, buses etc.) 
Shared auto is also great because you can see how other locals are dealing with this in your area and above everything, i recommend you follow their lead.

A different POV:
These kinnar/hijra people are some of the most marginalized folks in our society and while some of them might be making more (or easier) money than some of us, they cannot do everything we can, as easily/mundanely as we do. They are more prone to addiction and diseases and are usually brought up without education. Also, i personally never had a bad experience with kinnars so all of them can't be alike. Please keep this in mind avoid using words like retards in public spaces when you refer to large diverse groups like these. That sets an image and tells younger people that it's okay to call names.

About the job fairs that some people mentioned, i don't know about your location but it's very likely that these events aren't universal across India especially post COVID when jobs are at an overall decline.
Besides, these types of govt events in general are quite bad shape and there seems to be very less public awareness about these. Nobody seems to be taking pages (hours) long advertisements to inform people about these opportunities, like the parties do for chest thumping announcements.

All of this is under the assumption that employers are equally likely to hire kinnar folks, which I would say is not the case, especially in less/low skilled jobs that these people are eligible for.

P.S. i am not recommend either way about giving money to kinnar folks, I almost never do. Take a call, judge the situation for yourself and decide what YOU want to do.

poormillionare

Technical_Arm_9827

I'm not homophobic.

But they're retards.

partyqwerty

It’s your choice to pay/ not pay the money. No one can force you to do anything

To your question- they can’t work like Normal people because they are not normalized in our society. It’s not a level playing field and life is not fair. 

So stand up

trashy961

So there have been instances of people prioritizing jobs for trans people (kochi metro) but they couldn't find accommodation nearby cause landlords were like they will do prostitution. So, pur attitude here needs to change. 

Society needs to welcome them with open arms when they try to better their lives.

How can they get a job if no one will give them a job or no one will give them a place to live near their job?

Don't let these assholes change your opinion on trans people.. Lot of invisible trans people who just wanna live their life without any fear of attacks.

nrj5k

I feel like you're talking about gangs of eunuchs. And that's exactly what they are - gangs.

I remember when they'd come up to me and try to "bless" me as a child so that my mother would fork over some money, thankfully rickshaw drives etc would chase them away. Another story was my Grandfather literally had to come outside and beat them away with a stick when a group of them wanted to "bless" me as a baby.

I honestly wouldn't refer to them as trans or gay at all - those people contribute to society and unfortunately, at times, society doesn't want to take care of them. You're talking about a gang of thieves and that's how I've always felt.

I also remember hearing about boys that would be kidnapped by them and essentially castrated and forced to become of them so that they would also become beggars. I don't know how much of that is true though.

&amp;#x200B;

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I'm not sure about my terminology as I haven't resided in India for a while so I apologise if I'm violating one of the rules and would be happy to update my post if required to.

AloneCan9661

Abey tu apna chalte reh. You don’t need to stop nor can anybody block your path in this case. (I am someone who doesn’t support the idea of giving bheek to anyone.)

Complaining about them won’t exactly help since the police is useless in such cases, unless a group of people from your locality complain at once about this.

Only when the gender option Other is there in letter and spirit in official forms.

taznado

Make a law Force them for a job worth 1lakh per month.

subconcious_Minds

ur_empress

It's a mafia. The hijras on the streets pay the cops a cut and live like there's no tomorrow. Where i am, they come triples on an Activa or Dio and park on a side lane and stand at the signals. They don't even wear helmets while riding. It's useless going to cops because after a while when they return these gandus throw a bitch fit and they kind of pin point who they should Target. 

Simple suggestion, ignorance is bliss, don't acknowledge them. They touch you in place you wouldn't like them kick their arse.

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Harsh_2004

What a great idea ! I cannot understand why it not okay for transgenders to work or apply for regular jobs  ? Look at them in the workforce in Thailand .and southeast Asia.They are contributing in different ways working in shops, all kinds of jobs .I really admire that they are accepted in society.I  Hope and pray that this happens here too.If we are to move ahead , it's all hands on deck .

HelaArt

transgenders or third genders/intersex ? Lot of people don't know the difference between these two

astrophysics2017

Someone tell me the difference between Transgender and Intersex and Are Indian Trans same as Western Trans?

Due_Storage_4035

alex_xela0

Ayo what..did i just see rajsthan and bihar on this list

Difficult-Ad-5011

 

In India, the trans population makes up a total of 4.88 lakh, as per the 2011 census. However, only a handful of them receives employment opportunities.

According to a study conducted by the National Human Rights Commission in 2018, 96 per cent transgenders are denied jobs and are forced to take low paying or undignified work for livelihood like badhais, sex work and begging. The first-ever study on the rights of transgenders also revealed that about 92 per cent of transgenders are deprived of the right to participate in any form of economic activity in the country, with even qualified ones refused jobs. 

jainswapnil52

And they say why trans people annoy us on buses like what the fuck are they suppose to do .

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mragentofchaos

Also Bihar is the first state to provide reservation to transgender and 2023 first transgender "state icon of bihar" is monica das

Ok_Inevitable4137

Transgender people*
Hope u don't mind, but a small correction in grammar. Just Saying "Transgenders" sounds wrong and makes it feel alienating.

zeus_565

Bro the South is way more progressive. Almost all blue.

Edit: kitna man main aag hai logo ke. Yellow can become blue. If the decision is in court than there is a chance that I can be in favor.

And kisi ne likha progressive Bihar, progressive word use,blah blah. Champak insaan. At least no one can do anything to you by using law. 

In the northern states, law and the people will after your blood. But Dil ke andar bigotry ka aag jalaye rakho. Shayad koi laddu dede

red_ice994

r_c_1_7

All the anti-transgender states also seem to be BJP ruled states!!!

country wants to discriminate and think we're so smart.  
can't even make a proper road and education.

welcome to india guys.

Who would have thunk, Rajasthan! Leading the way...wonder how?


But good for them, Rajputs to the fore!

Klowen111

Bihar did it but not Kerala, Telangana, AP? What a shame for southern states.

which state is more progressive?  


here OP fixed that for you

hidden_kid

chiguy_1

Williamsarethebest

Lol Gujarat and UP always first in these matters

Hot_Row1457

Isn't India one of the countries that has transgenderism going back many centuries?  And it's now an issue since the former colonizers turned it into their culture war, so now the former colonized think in their still-colonized minds they have to do what the white, western colonizers do?

RidetheSchlange

I guess the more pressing issue is not whether they should serve, but rather should they be treated as policeman or policewoman depending on whatever gender they were assigned at birth.

Opulentique

The red states are expected, except Rajasthan and Maharashtra... Good for them.

drion4

Is there anything the BIMARU states lead in? 
Please tell me they're progressive in some statistics?

MiBoy69

Jealous-Bat-7812

No wonder Right wing Hindu/Hindi states have a pattern! Lol

agrotios_satan

Mr_Mohammed_Iraq

If here transgenders actually means western trans thing and not intersex people, then actually all the red shaded state are chad.

Melodic-Mouse3238

Sumit7890

Dies this includes intersex people too , I mean both are different conditions

beggger_swimp

Creative-Paper1007

TN appointed India's first police Sub Inspector from Transgender community.
Talking about growth, things like these are growth to me.

Kambar

Why does Maharashtra allow it but not Goa? Doen't the High Court of Bombay have a say in both of these states?

KastroForas

But doesn't India recognize transgenders specifically as a third gender with the T symbol? I know southern states have T in addition to M and F in forms.

Lattice-shadow

Good for them. Let them have a normal life free from discrimination.

And like any normal person would be, they should be arrested and prosecuted when they harass travelers on road or on trains, or invade private homes where there is a newborn baby.

Mitth-Raw_Nuruodo

Seriously misleading headline. Court has NOT ruled that TW are women, only that they have a right to file case against the husband and in laws under section 498A (dowry harrassment) as other women do.

treeshade01

Just for a moment, explain this to me.

So first, they fought to be separate identity as a Trans person. Now, they fought to be recognized as Women. 

Genuinely Curious

Edit: For all people as unaware as me, this is what I have understood (correct me if I am wrong).

The women in question transitioned from some other gender to Female surgically and is a Female now. Hence she should have rights of a female eg 498A. But her inlaws refuted that since she wasn’t born as such, she should not be eligible for protection under the law. Court ruled in her favour.

Makes sense!!

as an indian trans woman, i’m celebrating TONIGHT

Life_Abalone_3689

All these men crying about "women sports" like, zindagi mein kabhi women sports dehka hai, ki ab chinta ho rahi hai "women sports" ki?

And the second one I saw was of men (again. shocking) worrying about "men dressed as women in women bathrooms" and "men getting benefits of women-centric schemes". First, I personally have never encountered the bathroom wala issue. Aur rahi baat schemes ki, aren't men the ones crying about women receiving benefits from these schemes? Ab kyu itni chinta ho rahi hai? Women not getting benefits from women-centric schemes is exactly what you wanted, no?

Basically, stop trying to pit women against women by using scare tactics and hiding behind "oh we're just worried". We know you're not. 😂

overloadedonsarcasm

moonlight_chicken

This is actually great news. Hope it opens up more opportunities for employment and benefits for trans people.

YeahImMan39

This will mean them entering every avenue which is available for women , i don't know how this will be perceived here,Especially in sports. Apart from mens the competition women where facing now they need to tackle them too.

subashj24

That's a very long winded and complicated way to secure reservation

Careless-Working-Bot

I think it will be interesting to understand legally what “transitioning” means, and what stage of transitioning?
S just putting on a skirt sufficient to prove “transitioning”? Or Is medical transitioning ie gender reassignment surgery necessary for a transitioning person to be considered a woman?

I think there will be further petitions in court to determine this.

Sudhir1960

What will happen if a man in between his divorce proceedings, transitions into a woman. Who pays alimony now?

v_patti_ramasamy

Very progressive step. Hope making marital rape illegal is the next step. India needs to shake off medieval mindset, and law paves a way. Homosexuality became a little more acceptable with the law. Trans people’s rights need acknowledging, and this is what the law does. If left to society, they will keep dragging us back into grave of some Mughal ruler.

abhi_neat

    Indian court rules trans women are women

No it did not.

an8hu

Good ruling, but we desperately need legislation on what constitutes transition.

_Moon_Presence_

I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing

nervousnoodle69

Does this means they will get to apply in female sports activities? They will have advantage though.

Puzzleheaded_2020

Important question is.

Will trans women be able to play women's sports if they identify as women?

ReflectionNo5504

Now the question remains. Does this ruling come from the heart? Or are you doing it to disagree with the bri'ish?

On a serious note, congrats y'all, drinking a cup of wine to your good luck

Cerbatiyo-sesino

Growing up as a gay man under the thumb of Indian oppression, this is profound to me. Queerness has been been either invisible or hyper-visible in all the wrong ways in my experience . As a young gay person finding their way I felt pushed to the margins. This ruling is a declaration that trans women belong—not as a third option, not as an afterthought, but as women. I feel a well of emotions as the tides turn. I never thought I would live to  see the day where my culture would unlearn the bias that patriarchy has baked into all of us.

This ruling gives hope that change is happening! Slowly, imperfectly, but it is happening. And for queer Indians everywhere, it’s a reminder that we’re not anomalies. We’re not secrets. We’re not mistakes. We are people with lives and rights and futures. This is mega. ✌🏾

OkSprinkles2512

Wow all that education and common sense calling a human with a dck a woman typical.

AwkwardForm7404

sinkingcar

Trans woman means what ? I am confused ... Are these chicks with dicks ?

Thejarkoze

Trans people deserve thier dignified life with basic rights and respect but putting them in same category with women for everything is highly dangerous for biological women. 
There is a reason why Women have a separate category pool for everything and that will be diluted if biological men who wants to be treated as women joins in.
It can be highly misused by miscreants.

DEXTERTOYOU

The amount of people who doesn't even understand the meaning of trans baffles me here.

Most of you think hijras are trans,no it's much more then that.

Trans woman = someone born male but who knows she is female and lives accordingly.

tera_chachu

Of course they are. And the men bitching about “women only spaces”- they are women. Y’all are the problem lol. I’ve never been threatened by a trans person.

chonkykais16

How are we going to protect women from men dressed as women in female toilets?

Nuclear4d

Massive-Carrot-2389

I mean we've collectively known that as a civilisation for the longest time. its so sad that abrahamic and colonist thinking regressed our culture so far back.

context: a lot many of indigenous hindu myths have proclaimed the idea of gender fluidity and especially trans genderness and querness wayyyy before the birth of prophets. smh at the fact that ancient Indians had more broader mindset than the"modern" Indians :p

also kudos to the Supreme Court and transgender activists!!!

Icy-Laugh-6898

I'm all for trans rights, but this is very anti-science and reality and does nothing to give actual rights and fight discrimination against trans people. Seems progressive, but in reality is a very lazy ruling.

grungeXIII

Expert_Injun

I’m not Indian but this came up on my feed and I think this is amazing

bloosoop

bigbrainboiiiiiii

In our culture trans women have highest respect and are identified as trans women as seperate from biological women 
why blindly follow failed policy from the west 
Instead of creating laws and uplifting trans community i honestly find this is trying to create more gender wars and chaos
I dont think its right or fair  that biological women has to compete with biological male who is transitioned harmonally as women ( im sorry to put it this way but it is what it is )

Creepy_Candidate_323

Good Decision, we need to totally embrace this.

I as a Masculine Presenting Transgendered Lesbian, totally support this.

peshawar_katil

Now every sport will have a leah Thomas goodluck to straight women competing in national sports

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