Public sentiment is predominantly negative towards Trump's trade policies, which are seen as aggressive and ineffective. Many commenters express frustration with the reliance on tariffs, arguing that they are counterproductive and harmful to American consumers and farmers. There's a strong belief that China holds the upper hand in negotiations, overshadowing America's strategic position, and a consensus on the need for a more cooperative approach rather than confrontation.

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I just came across this.

[https://x.com/admcollingwood/status/1978380158965866921](https://x.com/admcollingwood/status/1978380158965866921)

"Washington is demanding European nations take such steps in order to create friction between Europe and China that the Americans hope leads to Europe fully aligning with Washington's hostility toward Beijing (much as the Ukraine conflict led, over time, with Europe aligning with Washington's position of hostility toward Moscow).  
  
Having fuelled that conflict between Europe and Russia, which has left Europe even more reliant than previously on American security guarantees, and which has cut off Europe from its only source of gas not under US (direct or indirect) control, Washington now has enormous leverage to achieve such an aim—which Trump does not hesitate to use (because unlike European leaders, he does act in his country's interest).  
  
Meanwhile, the European political establishment is packed with leaders who were weaned on the teat of American neoliberal unipolarity and were expensively groomed in their political adolescence by the lavishly funded NGO-State-Academy complex (from Soros's Open Society Foundations, to the Atlantic Council, to Harvard University and USAID/NED-moneyed charities and media operations). Europe's establishment political leaders thus instinctively believe in Washington's previous creed of neoliberal universalist Manicheanism and are desperate to facilitate that dream even as, ironically, it is being strangled in Washington itself by the primal force of MAGAism.  
  
Of course, breaking off from China would be devastating for the European economy, especially after a similar break from Russia. But unless Europe can find political leaders able to act in their nation's self interest, Washington will continue leading Europe by the nose toward ***America's*** self interest.  
  
Washington won't necessarily say "You! You over there on the other side of the Atlantic! Yes, you! Start acting nasty to Beijing!" Instead, they will force them to take smaller steps, from expropriating Chinese businesses, to tariffs, to trade deals, to leveraging the Ukraine conflict, to sow discord between China and Europe.  
  
Obviously, I should add here for those who indulge in lazy 'with us or against us' Sith absolutism that I do not think that Europe should kiss Beijing's feet. Europe needs to deal with the bilateral trade disbalances. It needs to pursue its own interests, which means hardball. But it ain't gonna achieve those things by expropriating Chinese companies and imposing controls on tech experts to China at the behest of a rapaciously self interested Washington.  
  
Furthermore, if Europe steals Russian sovereign reserves, while going around stealing Chinese businesses because the Americans told them do, then Europe becomes uninvestible and the euro and sterling become unusable. Not just for China and Russia, but for ***anybody*** that is not the US or under US control. Think about what that means for European prosperity."

Budget-Song2618

Frankly China wasn't ready yet. Frankly they may not be aware of just how much they have lapped the US in terms of productive forces even now. Doing things like standing up a helium production industry from scratch in less than 3 years will change their perceptions.

Spectre_of_MAGA

I just dont think the US was being as belligerent as it is now.  I think a line of decorum has been crossed that there was a lot of leeway for.  I have been seeing that the Chinese are aghast at the horror of the Palestinian genocide.  There are videos of diplomats telling off other world diplomats to their faces in no uncertain terms.  Then coupled with the tariff instability I bet they are sick of it

TuckHolladay

The West just wants to take other people's stuff. They don't want to do the work of being independent. It's too expensive. It cuts into profits. It's too hard for the billionaire oligarchs. They'd rather send out the cannon fodder while they cruise around on their mega yachts.

shatabee4

Trump is 4 years behind on his tariff policy which is why he ramped it up this term. 

His first tariffs worked so nicely that Biden expanded on them. iirc China was already making decisions quietly to limit certain critical exports then.

420Migo

This is an interesting position, that while Republican Americans were wasting time attacking Democrats over skin color and ethnicity, the Chinese were clearing a path to compete globally and removed America’s capacity to derail those efforts. For a man who has spoken so loudly about being anti-China, this is a stinging defeat for Trump, another true failure of leadership.

Leather-Map-8138

You totally beat me to it! I swear I was going to share this super interesting tweet yesterdsay but things got away with me. Glad it's up.

The money quote is this:

&gt;power isn't about intentions or rhetoric - it's about what you can actually do. Many wonder why countries almost never retaliate when the US imposes sanctions or export controls. The answer is simple: they can't. They lack the alternatives, the technology, the supply chains.

Sandernista2

Very interesting.  Thank you for posting.

Caelian

https://archive.ph/0TDF5

So in other words, the Chinese made sure that the US had no leverage over China before starting the trade war. That's a smart move on their part and one that highlights that the US really has nothing that they can hold against China.

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Unfortunately, we stopped using that playbook and now use one created by a man with skin the hue of Cheeto dust and no idea about how the economy functions.

PopPalsUnited

No one should be surprised that other countries are looking after themselves. 


I half expect another nation to release the Epstein files, their version of them. 

Pontiacsentinel

Buy Australian rare earths. We’ve got lots and we’re not (yet) controlled by China. Of course the tariff wall your President has chosen to erect under pretext of some non-existent emergency doesn’t help …

Minguseyes

HonoredPeople

The sad thing here is if he just did nothing, China would have bought all those soy beans. Its because he's an idiot that they won't buy them.

Kasoni

*ramble ramble* BIDEN! *ramble ramble*

Dude has to throw Biden's name around nonstop because he can't atand on business. Imagine having an employee like this who constantly makes mistakes and passes blame around or throws out excuses instead of owning up to them and fixing them.

MacPzesst

It’s been less than a year of this idiot and I cannot remember a time he wasn’t talking… for one day, please just STFU

Time-Track9684

Worst part is that he believes the shit that he spins.

no-clueshere69

China will NOT being buying soybeans from the U.S ever again. Donald is NOT the master negotiator that he or his cult thinks he is.

Objective_Problem_90

They were already buying American soy beans until you fucked it up, Donny!

GrungeHamster23

Blessed-one-Chemo

He keeps holding his other hand likes its a 12 year old girls.

InterestingWin3627

Bro the season is over. Shit is already rotting. Missed the moment

Sweaty-Shower9919

China is still getting its soybeans. China doesnt care.

Engineered_disdain

https://preview.redd.it/3im20zz3jgwf1.jpeg?width=1290&amp;format=pjpg&amp;auto=webp&amp;s=aedff9993195e16870b86a0c751cfef0111b8fab

Trump has only created problems and has done nothing for the common people of this Country. His tariffs are a lie and We the People are the ones paying for them. Lies and more lies.

Mrtoyhead

China will be buying from Argentina, whose farmers trump is bailing out.

Qimmosabe_Man

Who's stupider?  This asshole or the assholes who believe him?  

It is a mystery.

Bailywolf

“It’s going to be exactly like it was before I fucked it all up.”

PhysicalAttitude6631

Head’s up dumbass, China is not one of your lackeys, they can buy soybeans wherever they want.

carl3266

Exa_n

China doesn’t need us and they know it. Taco is the only one that doesn’t see that

ChigirlG

New_Manufacturer5650

Hot-Wave-8059

IWouldntIn1981

Primrose_Polaris

Well if that isn't projection of an incompetent president I dont know what is.

Connor4realreal

Clueless. He’ll have to pay China to take our soybeans at this point.

SurpriseUnhappy2706

I think Chiiiii aaaaainaaa has been waiting decades for this opportunity... Chinese diplomacy is something else.... First rule is not disturbing the order... even facts are less important than upholding relations and customs

LEONLED

China and "I"


Not China and the US. I wonder if he really believes that buyers are going to just come back and import stuff from US just because he said so? Like, im not an expert, but whatever is being imported has a long chain of things that need to be adapted, and that costs a lot of money. So, spending that money to change routes and logistics to more stable exporters, why would they change it again? So that a month from now or whatever it changes again on a whim?


Cant be real, someone must have told the guy thats not how it works surely... or at this point its just tremend delusion that everything revolves around americans and their stuff.

SoftOutlandishness81

mistersuave

Translation: it will be a great deal for Trump, but no one else will benefit.

PrinceZordar

RepulsedCucumber

Porunga23

Lanky_Ranger_4419

China doesn't need his soybeans lol and the rest of the world is happy about that!

Redfox2111

It’s okay guys, like healthcare he has concepts of a plan.

CloseDaLight

Such a good speaker! Such oratory skills and eloquent words!

Miserable_Skirt_5466

Oh they're *BUYING* soybeans, you utter dildo.

OnlyFiveLives

Ultimateeffthecrooks

Is the "deal" with China the new "infrastructure week"? Are gonna have to hear about this every month? And nothing happens

simmons777

dttm_hi

Can China immediately respond on the world stage with, “Get fucked.” At this point I wouldn’t fault them for it and would actually applaud it. Just a quick video message directly made for Trump and it’s literally just them saying, “You created this mess for your country, now get fucked.”

been2thehi4

Don’t worry, everyone. The moron who entirely cause this problem assures us he alone can fix it.

Donkey-Hodey

lol look at Mr. Soyboy now peddling his beans

groceriesN1trip

ALL of the chaos created is at the hand of Trump, to line the pockets of Trump, only so Trump can act like a hero when some trade agreement not previously required is announced. REPUBLICANS - WAKE THE HELL UP!

chef13me

All this fat pedofile raypist felon had to do was just leave things the way they were, color a few papers with the presidential seal with sharpies and golfing every weekend. If this dumbass would’ve just left things on autopilot, we wouldn’t be in this mess

zivzoolander

Trump is starting to panic, and with good reason. His reckless trade policies have backfired spectacularly, turning the world against him and crippling America’s farming industry along with many other sectors. He has no idea how to climb out of the hole he’s dug without losing face. This is a man so utterly clueless about economics that, even after every major economist explained that it’s Americans who pay for tariffs, he still goes around bragging that “countries are paying us.”

What’s worse, in all his bluster and bullying, Trump hasn’t managed to sign a single meaningful trade deal. His only strategy is to threaten, insult, and strongarm other nations, and the result is that they’ve all turned away from him. China has shifted its trade to other partners, and even Canada, once America’s closest ally, is slowly cutting back U.S. trade to forge massive new agreements around the world.

Now, even as prices spiral out of control and inflation explodes, Trump still goes around boasting about how “great” his economy is, claiming inflation is down and prices are the lowest they’ve been in a long time. It’s pure delusion. His trade wars and empty bravado have left the U.S. economically isolated, abandoned by allies, and shut out of the global market. The damage will last for decades. The world has moved on, and America is being left behind. The only thing keeping the U.S. from collapsing into a full-blown depression right now is the AI bubble — and that bubble is about to burst. Everything else is crumbling to dust.

GoodOk2589

This is like the bazillionth time we've seen this. He raises a tariff, lowers a tariff, says there will be a great trade deal with China, it doesn't happen, he raises a tariff, lowers it, lather rinse and repeat.

Litzz11

Underradar0069

"I finally decided to back peddle and fix the problem I intentionally created."

Wonderful-Ad440

The Chinese bought record amounts of soybeans during Bidens term. The farmers were rolling in profits and voted their prosperity away because right wing propaganda instructed them to do so.

PerformanceSmooth392

Trump destroys everything that he touches

walterwhite1050

All this guy does is invent a problem. Break existing system. Introduce his own more terrible system where he makes money off it. That’s all he does.

mywordswillgowithyou

Please !! Come back Baby ! I didn't mean it !!!

5L0pp13J03

He’s genuinely such an embarrassment and stain on our country. China has moved on and you have fucked us all once again. Are we great yet MAGAts?

__Bing__bong__

Trump is so stupid, he couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel.

Liquorupfront69

He's trying to find a way to grift China into buying the soybeans while selling out some other significant American asset that China would much rather see crumble than some corporate farmers.

Fossilhog

China has already purchased soybeans elsewhere. They will not be vulnerable again.

DaveWoodstock

Stupid moron has no clue.  Whining now that the world is starting to look elsewhere for trading partners.

hal2025

This idiot caused this problem in the first place. If he had just coasted along with the geopolitical and economic climate he inherited from the last administration, everything would be fine. Idiot.

Eday_20

CompleteHour306

Same_Cauliflower5373

His lips are moving so he’s lying again.

Th3Gr3at0wl

Trump handed his daughter the key to the China candy store on day one have her deals fallen through is she being charged tariffs on all the contract she has with China give me a break. This is about your grab for money and the American people can just go screw themselves Building a golden ballroom that none of them/ us will be allowed in unless they’re there to clean it. the man doesn’t know the concept of shame or else he would crawl in a hole and never crawl out again.

PriorityReal4641

Subject-Yak4959

How dense do you have to be to believe this nonsense. China has already secured its soybeans from other countries like Brazil. China will not buy soybeans from the US as long as Trump is there. Whatever Trump says is blah blah fantasy and not factual.

mmliu1959demo

Actually what would be fantastic for the world would be for you to be GONE once and for all!

Formal_Specific1473

It's going to be fantastic for everyone - he doesn't know a damn thing does he?

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People listen to this moron speak and like him. 

Think how insane that is.

Sea_Dawgz

Poor man thinking making his country poor, meanwhile china and the world is chilling

JoshiRaez

China will tighten the screws a little more.

7Zarx7

They have tariffs 

You have rates 



Do you want to remove their rates? What's fair about that?

And_Sk1

MF_BREW_

So basically he trashed all deals in the name of Biden then gets the same/worse deals with  his name on it to say “look at these deals I made”

AxELdub

All these deals but I have never seen anything written on paper…

Drone_Priest

Creoda

Wait until he sends them home with a little gift sack of soy beans tied with a string and claims “I did it, China is taking the beans”

BuildWithBricks

No wonder he's loosing at every turn. How can one even focus on anything else then that neckp\*ssy and tiny, tiny hands. Holycrap

Safe_Economics_9092

gOldMcDonald

Own goal.  No better way to describe a fucking moron trying to act hard and then getting destroyed by his own policies.

LabRat345

I have this sinking suspicion that when Trump says he talked with China, it's because actually had a conversation with Stephen Miller, who spoke with a really racist Chinese accent.

AffectionateBrick687

Fuskeduske

„China and I“… delusional and megalomaniac

Schoseff

You mean like under every other administration except Trump XP or 2.0.

KnoxenBox

Some_Iteration

Delusional. His mental health has declined.

aaclavijo

That soybean market isn't coming back.   They don't want to deal with trumps constant bull shit and they don't have to.

happyhour16

This is all optics. He can talk to China all he wants and get any agreement he wants. It won't instantly cause all our soybeans to be purchased and put money in the farmer's pockets. It is already too late for this year's crop in most cases.  They are either harvested and sitting somewhere rotting, or they didn't even bother to harvest and they are rotting in the field

Unusual-Ad-6550

I don’t care what trade deal he has with China.

I care about the US.

Just another data point in why Trump is an evil person.

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Donald Trump warns of implementing 155% tariffs on China if a trade deal is not finalized by November 1. He emphasizes that China has been tough in negotiations and expresses the need for a fair deal. The current state of US-China trade talks is strained, characterized by ineffective communication and lack of back channels, leading to frustrations among officials from both sides.

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