Public sentiment surrounding the India-Pakistan conflict exhibits a sharp division, with strong expressions of nationalism from both sides. Indian commenters often showcase confidence in their military strength, while criticisms arise regarding reliance on foreign technology and skepticism about Chinese weaponry aiding Pakistan. Pakistani commenters demonstrate pride in their military achievements, juxtaposed with frustrations over perceived media narratives. The discourse reflects broader geopolitical tensions and a desire for peace amidst rising animosities.

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Pakistan did indeed achieve a military success on the first engagement on May 7 in the form of BVR combat .

India still showed the ability to strike Pakistan while neutralising almost any Pakistani attack in return . 

India definitely did have a much better performance in air -to surface combat . Even new york times says that . 

However it's also interesting to note  that the same  US congress report being cited in the wire article also states that India only lost three Aircraft and that china deliberately ran a misinformation campaign using fake AI generated crash images to harm rafale sales .

It's interesting that the wire doesn't mention that part of the report ?

Dazzling-Bar4019

Another dramatic headline from a US panel trying to stay relevant😏. India maintained control on the ground, but somehow they’ve turned a 4 day incident into a Pakistan success story. The headline is misleading. No territory changed hands😒and the situation was stabilized by Indian forces quickly😌

Miss_Potentialgirlie

Lmao, what about Epstein files btw? Yesterday Trump crashed out on national tv when asked about it

Ok-Pipe-5151

This is kind of a very low quality article coming out of the wire, they be just stating the report without actually referencing it.

Man, US releases loads of reports on various topics every single day, people have their incentives and inclinations.

That being said, Wars can never be won comprehensively, destruction is gonna be mutual, Ind understands this in context of Pak, China understands this in the context of Ind even Taiwan.

Fresh_Blade_Salu

The OP clearly has been Jerking on IAF losses pushing low quality articles every now and then.

Uh-oh. Looks like you’re ruining the victory parade for the Indians. They’ve been scrambling to convince the world they won—while their government suppresses footage, casualty figures, and damage reports, feeding the public the illusion that every Pakistani missile was intercepted. But now even Western media has begun reporting on the devastation Pakistan inflicted. This conflict is going to be carefully dissected by media and experts all across the world so the truth will out eventually. 

The shift has been dramatic: from chest-thumping threats to “annihilate” Pakistan, to quietly pleading for de-escalation and asking the U.S. to step in within hours of our only retaliation (as CNN noted). The Indian public is in meltdown. They were led to believe they were on the verge of “finishing” Pakistan, so a ceasefire from that supposed position of strength makes no sense to them.

And it shows. The body language of their military spokesperson, foreign secretary, and even the prime minister has gone from overconfident bluster to visibly shaken defeat. What’s worse is that we downed two more Rafales and captured another pilot—but that information remains under wraps due to India’s conditions for the ceasefire. The public may be in the dark, but military and diplomatic circles around the world are well aware. 

I don’t look forward to all the unhinged Indian responses this comment will trigger.

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We just reduced everything to its most simplistic and basic form leaving no room for nuance and layers.

Pakistan army is NOT a US puppet. Pakistan army is heavily influenced by US. There is a gigantic difference.

Pakistan army like any entity has its own interests. When its interests are aligned with US it will do what US wants them to do (hang Bhutto). Sometimes US can also exert pressure and make Pakistan army do things it does not really want to do (fight the taliban). But there are instances when Pakistan army will not listen to US or go against US interest because its in the best interest of Pakistan army (let Osama hide in Pakistan).

Think of it this way. Are you your parents puppet ? People, Organizations and Countries do not exists in a vacuum. They are being influenced all the time by outside forces. This is how the system works. Its a matter of balancing, prioritizing and aligning interests with these outside forces.

1nv1ct0s

Pakistan army has one and only objective. Maintain power and control over the country. Its elites get rich and live well. To that end they will do anything. They are heavily influenced by the US but they've found the level of support needed lacking so they've also run to china.

Shoddy-Reach9232

Not a puppet exactly but US does have and employs its soft power whenever needed

ZainTheOne

It obviously isn’t a puppet. But they haven’t made the best decisions for us either. And of course ppl get recruited whether in the military or in the civilian. It’s complex and a lot of money/power/leverage is used.

As for China, we are fortunate to have a superpower next to us. They are friendly and really we need to get ourselves sorted. There is no reason other than individual greed to align with US but sadly there are many who will accept the cheque.

putoption21

When your assumption leads to a contradiction, that might mean your assumption was wrong

Bibbedibob

It uses both super powers. And enjoys benefits from both of them. Simple.

maowk

In the past, US did not had any issues with China. It's a pretty recent policy shift. The reason being China leveraged the influx of US businesses to accelerate its economic development, ultimately reaching a level of power that has alarmed US &amp; Western nations. 

However, we since the late 1950's have been in a master slave relationship with the US or I would say- always a pro West General was installed that aligned with their foreign policy. We even sided with US in the Vietnam war but did not send troops on ground. We lend them our bases as early as in 1960 when the first ever US spy plane took off from Pakistan to monitor Soviets-which was eventually taken down by Soviets.

Historically, India tended to align with Russians and had a more adversarial stance toward the US due to their support for Pakistan. At the same time, China was also closer to the West. During the Soviet era, we received substantial military funding to combat the Soviets in Afghanistan. After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the rise of China, Western powers began supporting India especially in efforts to counterbalance China.

Military Generals have long played both sides of the wicket. From leveraging relations with China as the strategic neighbor while maintaining ties with the US whose influence in Pakistan is well‑known. Today, following the regime change, Asim Munir and company have publicly reaffirmed alignment with the West. However, behind the scenes, the real game could be different i.e. extract maximum leverage from both Washington and Beijing.

ahsan_shah

We simply could not have won the recent clash with India without Chinese intelligence

arhamshaikhhh

The one thing that the Army is not is incompetent. Pakistan Army just like any other army around the world when they come in to power the main goal and achievement is themselves and not the nation or it's people.
 That is exactly what has happened here, The Army is busy developing its own agendas rather than developing the nation.
For that reason the politicians that come into power are absolutely incompetent and business oriented rather than bureaucrats who work on politics to develop a nation to progress with its.

AqilUSabri

It simply a propaganda for right wingers and foreign proxies to wage war against Pakistan and to destabilise it, just like they did with Syria, Libya or Lebanon.

No denying we are also incompetent to not cash on opportunities.

Dapper-Two-2299

For everyone who is mad about pakistan giving access to usa for Afghanistan... back we didn't had jf17s and j10s with long range a2a missiles.. we didn't had long range anti air systems like hq9 and hq19s which we now have... America even use to threaten china with its aircraft carriers which is not the case anymore... usa cannot use its military might against pakistan now while in the past that was a possibility so the army did what was best for the country..

Jaysonk98

Despite what others will have you believe they are not puppet of US, nor China. They leverage both for what they see as necessary for pursuing the national interest of the country.

It should be noted that the military has a very different way of describing 'national interest' than what a normal person would. 

Their version of national interest do not include protection, prosperity of the people or democracy. They define national interest as maintaining and enhancing hard power and territorial integrity, without getting too much attention from international powers.

When required they will go against international powers, but they really really prefer not to do so. 

When US creates road block for Pakistan to get advance weapons to enhance hard power they buy it from China, but at the same time they really really don't want to be seen as doing China's bidding or it's proxy same goes for reverse.

Successful-Silver485

You cant buy Pakistan army.. but you can rent it..

pewdiapie

Let me rephrase it for you, The top brass of Pak Army is a puppet of their personal and individual interests and gains instead of the nation they represent.

Zain5633

Generals intrests= money and power ( where it flows they flaws), with a staggering population crossing 240millions, who cares about people.

docshamzee

It's not a puppet... grow up. Our army and government are heavily trying to pursue better relations with America, doesn't make us a puppet.

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India blames China for Pakistan's military intelligence. "When the DGMO level talks were going on, Pakistan said that we know that your such and such important vector is primed". They seem to underestimate Pakistan which is why the Rafale disaster happened. EU also blame China for Russia...

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Nobody can decide whether China is 'doing nothing' or 'doing everything'...and where are other countries agency?  


&gt;India fought two adversaries during the conflict, with Pakistan being the "front face" while China provided "all possible support"  


&gt;India had earlier said that although Pakistan is closely allied with China, there was no sign of any actual help from Beijing during the conflict


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I hate to use this term but I'm starting to feel fatigue from all this BS media. A lot of these people should not have a platform to spout nonsense without evidence. It's actually annoying. India is always blaming others and never looking inward. I'd bet India's intelligence security was so weak Pakistan didn't need any help. And claiming that China 'helped' just belittles Pakistan's own capabilities to defend itself.

feibie

It was India that rushed to war instead of using diplomacy to properly investigate whether this is a false flag or not. All thanks to their blunder the world knows that their Air Force can't hold a candle to Pakistan.

dontzu

LMAO, is India admitting defeat or something now? Why are they blaming China when they clearly "won" the fight with Pakistan? I'm confused whey they expect China to not help Pakistan during a war with India.

fix_S230-sue_reddit

I'm shocked the guys who got trashed by Vietnam in clothes manufacturing by 4x sucks at everything else

ProudWing8202

Indian copium at its strongest. Their intelligence agency is so capable they can tell how much  and how often China was helping Pakistan but couldn't tell us how many of their own Indian jets had been down? 

Or predict the strike from the supposed terrorist group before it happened?

Funny how all these countries are experiencing democratic decline are also the ones that like to point fingers at others the most.

KeyboardTankie

Did you mention Rafale? If you are referring to Pakistan and India, here is some relevant information about it.

&gt; - India Strikes Pakistan but Is Said to Have Lost Jets: At least two aircraft were said to have gone down in India and the Indian-controlled side of Kashmir, according to three officials, local news reports, and accounts of witnesses who had seen the debris of two. [Source 1](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/06/world/asia/india-pakistan-attacks.html)

&gt; - French official says Pakistan downed Rafale jet as officials examine possible further losses [Source 1](https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/india-pakistan-attack-kashmir-tourists-intl-hnk#cmadq2i4j00003b6tu7krhsys)

&gt; - China’s Defense Stocks Advance After India-Pakistan Clash [Source 1](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-07/china-s-defense-stocks-are-big-winners-in-india-pakistan-clash)

&gt; - IAF declines to comment on crash reports [Source 1](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/iaf-declines-to-comment-on-crash-reports/articleshow/120975993.cms)

&gt; - Pakistan's Chinese-made jet brought down two Indian fighter aircraft, US officials say [Source 1](https://www.reuters.com/world/pakistans-chinese-made-jet-brought-down-two-indian-fighter-aircraft-us-officials-2025-05-08/)

&gt; - BBC Verify has authenticated three videos all taken from what appears to be the same field and purport to show the wreckage of a French-manufactured Rafale fighter jet [Source 1](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cwyneele13qt?post=asset%3A0da4237b-3fe0-452c-b2a8-6a8a376ff68a#post)

&gt; - At least two Indian jets appear to have crashed during Pakistan strikes, visuals show. In a review of visuals posted online, The Post verified debris consistent with at least two French-made fighter jets flown by the Indian air force [Source 1](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/09/fighter-jets-india-pakistan-attack/)

&gt; - Indian air force says losses are part of combat but all pilots back home [Source 1](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/indian-air-force-says-losses-are-part-combat-all-pilots-back-home-2025-05-11/)

&gt; - India top general admits aerial ‘losses’ in recent conflict with Pakistan [Source 1](https://www.yahoo.com/news/india-top-general-admits-aerial-160833034.html)

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The french also blame the Chinese for undermining Rafele reputation and sales.

CynicalGodoftheEra

So India is now discovering the concept of having allies (that are nearby and actually willing and able to support them) and that their military industry is not actually on par with more advanced nations. Everything they said about Chinese weapons can also be said about the Russian and Western weapons India has. It helps if you are able to use them properly though. 

Either that or it’s just the usual senior military officer advocating for more military spending.

Mountsorrel

And??? Whats wrong in it lmao. India also used Israeli drones and french fighter jets.

Hurry_Necessary

The article shows China is learning how to do what we're doing in Ukraine.  

This actually makes perfect sense so they can come up to par with our Military.

OldSchoolBubba

According to this guy Pakistan was against France, Russia and the USA. Turkey sells Pakistan the weapons the same France does. I dont know why they get so upset about it

KebabG

It's true and we should have gamed it
If we didn't, shame on our senior commanders. 
Saudi, Yemen, and a whole host of others should have been gamed in as well.

TheRealSlim_KD

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