Public sentiment is overwhelmingly negative regarding proposed peace negotiations led by Trump, viewed as a capitulation to Russia that undermines Ukraine's sovereignty. Many commenters express distrust towards Trump and Putin, fearing that concessions will lead to further aggression. There is a strong call for Ukraine to maintain its resistance and skepticism towards any agreements lacking Ukrainian representation or addressing security concerns.

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From the article:

The plan, drafted without Ukraine’s knowledge, appears to be little short of a demand for capitulation.  The plan is aimed largely at curbing Ukraine’s military power once the war ends. It envisages a reduction in the number of Ukrainian troops to just 40% of the current level, with no corresponding cut on the Russian side. It would be barred from possessing several classes of weapons, including long-range systems capable of reaching Moscow and St Petersburg. No foreign troops would be allowed on Ukrainian soil. Planes used by foreign diplomats would be prohibited from flying to Ukraine, raising questions as to Russia’s intentions for Ukrainian airspace.

The demands are far-fetched. Ukraine’s forces have been battered on the battlefield lately, but Russia has not achieved a serious operational breakthrough since 2022. Military analysts do not see Ukraine’s position as being so desperate that Mr Zelensky would need to agree to such punishing terms.

It is not obvious what the aim of devising such a plan might be beyond embarrassing Mr Zelensky.

AlexandrTheTolerable

Apparently this is the 28 point plan. A Moscow wish list and Americans sinking to new lows.


1. Ukraine's sovereignty will be confirmed.

2. A comprehensive and comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.

3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further.

4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.

5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.

6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.

8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.

9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.

10. US guarantee:

▪️ The US will receive compensation for the guarantee.

▪️ If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee.

▪️ If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked.

▪️ If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.

12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:

a. The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centres, and artificial intelligence.

b. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernise, and operate Ukraine's gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.

c. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernisation of cities and residential areas.

d. Infrastructure development.

e. Extraction of minerals and natural resources.

f. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.

13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:

a. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.

b. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centres, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.

c. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.

14. Frozen funds will be used as follows:

$100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine's reconstruction. Frozen European funds will be unfrozen. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.

15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.

16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.

17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty.

18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

19. The Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.

20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programmes in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:

a. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities.

b. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education.

c. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.

21. Territories:

a. Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognised as de facto Russian, including by the United States.

b. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.

c. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.

d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarised buffer zone, internationally recognised as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarised zone.

22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.

23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.

24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:

a. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis.

b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.

c. A family reunification programme will be implemented.

d. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.

25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.

26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.

27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.

28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.

Creativezx

Explain me like I’m 5yo. How russian proposal enact law to not invade Ukraine should work if according to their laws they didn’t invade Ukraine? And all these bombing of kindergarten and massacres spike in Bucha and Izum are just a “special military operation”

inokentii

This plan is meaningless and will be rejected one way or another. The fact that you still don’t hear curses from the Ukrainian authorities about it is because they are controlling their emotions, aware that this is an attempt by Trump to portray Ukraine as the side unwilling to make peace. Although it is obvious to everyone that such a 'peace plan' is actually capitulation, and that is unacceptable.

_Avocado_public_hair

Trump will change his mind tomorrow. As said by Stephen Colbert. Trump is the world’s most dangerous toddler.

TallExplanation1587

Didn't Trump say that he '*understood the conflict now*', and said Ukraine should take everything back? The consistency is... lacking.

squirtcow

This plan very CLEARLY paints future relationships between USA and Europe.


And how USA sees future world order.


I would say this plan is the END of TRANSATLANTIC ALLIANCE.


The NATO is no more. As USA is interested is promoting it's relationships with Russia at cost of NATO alliance. 


The fact that one of points is 




3. "It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further."


Another point is a direct extortion from Europe.

    14. Frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specifi
c areas. 


USA gets 100bln from frozen assets(frozen where?) and keeps 50%


Europe PAYS 100bln.

grafknives

Yet another reminder that America is no longer a friend and ally of Europe.

We're on our own, and will most likely be for the foreseeable future. Gotta get our shit together.

Nisiom

If you take a look at the financial side of it, it becomes clear: this is about punishing EU for the Russian Invasion. 

100 billion in frozen Russian assets in US: 50% to Ukraine, 50% to US. EU gets to 'double that' with a 100 billion 'contribution', with again 50% going to the US.

US gets to pull infinite money out of Ukraine and EU gets to foot the bill.

Finwolven

I feel like Ukraine should just make an absurdly maximalist proposal of their own: Russia hands back all territories plus a buffer zone carved from Russian territory. All reparations paid. All kidnapped children returned. Putin removed from power and handed to The Hague. Nuremberg-style war crime trials. Partial demilitarization of Russia.

If Russia can start with "everything we could ever want" as their proposal, why shouldn't Ukraine? Meeting in the middle makes much more sense that way.

jailbreak

That's just Russia's demands again, this peace deal is just trying to strong arm Ukraine into unconditional surrender. The previous guarantees didn't stop Russia invading 3 years ago, punishing the victim is wild (until you remember Trump is both a predator and a Putin puppet), and having peace talks without one side at the table, especially when it's the victim, is just bonkers...

But Trump does what his boss says...

Realistic_Let3239

Is this the third or fourth attempt to pressure Ukraine into a shitty deal? Just a month ago Trump stated the Ukraine should and could take back all lost territory. Then he wanted to supply tomahawks - but actually not. He’s an imbecile.

Radicularia

Let’s be real. This isn’t a serious plan.

This is obviously unacceptable to Ukraine, and when Zelensky says ‘no thanks’ because that is the only viable option, Drumpf can say ‘see! Ukraine doesn’t want to end the war!’ So the US can pull all funding and weaponry.

Trump is a Russian asset. Has been since day1. 

The only thing we can do, is pressure our European leaders to step the fuck up, grow a fucking spine and tell our people ‘this is going to be hard, but a future where Russia acts with impunity will be harder’ and move without the US. More funding, weapons, shooting down ANYTHING Russian that violates Ukrainian airspace. 

Russia was a paper tiger even before the war started. They’re dragging rapists out of prison and North Korean slaves to the front because they’re so short of manpower, and preparing tanks from world war 2 because they’re so short of vehicles.

Europe can defeat them easily, if we actually had any politicians with any courage to act decisively.

Background-Ninja-763

Magnificent_luck

handing over weapons for peace didn’t work out great last time

Jealous_Crazy9143

President Zelenskyy will pretend to agree, insert some corrections and russia won't accept it.

GreenEyeOfADemon

It’s a plan for Kremlin employee to make his boss proud and for the employee to get real estate deals again

Nothing more

mariuszmie

Any peace plan without requiring putin to hang in the Hague cannot be taken seriously.

Basic-Still-7441

Ending the Ukraine war is trivial.


1. Put the borders back to pre-war locations.
2. Grant Russia 100% ownership of the United States of America.


I can almost guarantee Putin would take this deal in a heartbeat. 

dgkimpton

Putin's wet dream. I've never seen such capitulation in my lifetime. Trump is pure scum

FreedumbHS

Atskitakesson

We can be thankful it's not 1943. Trump would make peace with both Germany and Japan, and call it the best deal ever for the world and for the 'Merica.

Only-Book-64

It's a big chunk of s*it, designed to: 

1.Put pressure on Ukraine, to get full surrender and basically all of Russia's demands after they lost the "first Ukrainian war" (the, attempt to take the whole country in the beginning months of the conflict). Trump will get money and/or be secure from some potential dirt Putin has on him. Putin gets his "victory" that he can sell in the domestic market, and time and cash to prepare for a new invasion a few years in the future, for any BS excuse, against a much weaker defense. 


2.If they don't accept it, provide justification for Putin to continue the war indefinitely, which, absent a surrender like option 1, is really good for him and keeps his power (and life) intact.

3.Demoralize and weaken Europe.

throwawaythatfast

This American administration is such a joke, and what makes it even more pathetic is that we europeans are so weak.

Swanky-Pants098

#  “You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth”

Sqweech

The best chance for peace is to remove Trump and put the US presidency under more stable control

Hellstorm901

Burgler (Russia) breaks into house. Hey don't do that, but ok you can keep the stuff! Next time they leave the door open but don't break in! Promised?

krisluc

Going in circles, because Trump is a demented old man who can't remember what he said yesterday, and half his advisors are on the Russian payroll.

GnaeusQuintus

If you give time russian to *rest* soon Europe will collect money to defense Poland, Moldova and try come back Latvia, Litva and Estonia from russian ocupation 😭

Strange-Thanks-44

This deal should get as much consideration as Trump gives the Constitution: none.

Undernown

I was actualy in shock to see that a convict with 6 failed business including a casino would make such stupid proposals.

ProfetF9

kfijatass

I think this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. This means only, that we have to cut every gas and oil import from Russia and pull all stops from arming Ukraine and ourselves. Then continue fostering renevable energy at home Europe and relationships that are best for us europeans. As sad as it is, US is toying us europeans... 

And while we're at it, Russia and US might be expected to blame us for nazism/fascismo for being patriotic, for being pro-eu or pro-homeland. Don't listen to them. We know best what is good for us. And we have to take care of Ukraine.

Thrownhighwayman

Russia back in the G8?

The G7 has been criticised as a waste of time and money for years, them being back will the be final nail in the coffin.

diacewrb

Just read it. There is absolutely no chance of this being accepted and I don't even think Witkoff is quite that incompetent that he would imagine this would be accepted. The deal also includes a lot of obligations to EU which obviously Ukraine is literally unable to accept. 

Basically it's a proposal that Russia gets almost everything they want and EU gives a lot of money to USA.

jaaval

Important-Cry-4433

Maybe turn G8 with Russia into G2 and all normal countries form a G6.

Own-Science7948

Proposals are all nice and whatnot, but for them to work, you need to have rational countries. There is nothing rational about russia, it's a shithole with a gas station.

BudgetPhallus

This is an absolutely terrible deal. Russia gets everything they want. 

I would love to know what Putin has on Trump that such sway is held over him

Reintegration in to the world economy and joining the G8 is a spit in the face.

ShezSteel

This is why we all need to vote these fks out of office instead of staying home and doing nothing.

Muneco803

Putin's puppet and Putin come with a peace plan for Ukraine 😂😂😂😂 the jokes we get to hear these days

PrincipleHot9859

If they change it a little bit with strong security guarantees then why not?
We’re tired of this war and fake smiles from everyone.

Particular-Award5225

This is ridiculous. For more than three Europe does not get its act together and now they make a surprised pikachu face that nobody is taking them seriously. Time for Ukraine to develop nukes or some other kind of weapon of mass destruction.

NeighborhoodFit3847

I don't get it, why everyone so eager to talk about this capitulation plan, like it somehow different from bunch of previous such papers, non of which saw light of a day in the end?

OlesDrow

Ukraine is steadily losing on the ground. The U.S. doesn’t want to be involved much longer. European countries say they support Ukraine but are really dragging their feet now to help funding next year’s war needs. 

Unless the situation the battlefield changes somewhat dramatically, the longer Ukraine waits, the worse deal it will get. 

This particular proposal sounds like the proposal to resettle people from Gaza to third countries, quite outrageous but sets the tone; and when a lighter version will be announced, it will seem more reasonable and start garner more support.

alkbch

Jey3349

This is unacceptable for ukraine and for the eu. Means total surrendering, if there are no hard security guarantees and limitation of the armed forces in 2/3 years once russia rearms itself ukraine will cease to exist and european security will be at a higher risk than it is now.

I mean this also send a terrible message for the US asian allies. How confident are they now of US support in case of a shooting war with a major superpower?

Electrical_Crew7195

American administration clueless..... God how far america has fallen

Adventurous_Hand3705

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/nov/21/europe-latest-news-russia-ukraine-war-updates-zelenskyy-putin-g20

&gt;The third point of the 28-point plan reads: “It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and Nato will not expand further.”

&gt;“It is expected” is a clunky passive construction in English. The Russian version – ожидается or ozhidayetsya – makes more sense and is a familiar verb form.

&gt;Other Russianisms that appear to have crept into the text include неоднозначности (ambiguities) and “закрепить” (to enshrine).

 12:32 CET

You can thank Luke Harding from the Guardian for figuring it out.

KernunQc7

Holy fck this is absurd. USA can go fck himself, Europe need to step in and show Russia the way out. That disgusting rotting country should be isolated not welcomed back regardless of peace deal. This is unacceptable.

Quasarrion

Trump is so evil, doing in Ukraine like this. It's the most hateful foreign affairs actions he has done. My heart goes out to Ukraine. What can we do?

Sure_Ad_1012

A plan concocted between master and servant. I can think of no good reason that Ukraine or any of its non-American allies would accept this plan.

Its DOA. We can call this plan the **Putin Trump gaslighting plan**.

It really only has one goal, to help Trump steer the many negative narratives ongoing against him in America somewhere else.

lifeisahighway2023

This sounds like a proposal that Putin and Trump drew up in their free time

Puzzleheaded_Oil_768

Isn't this just more of the same? The idea they should just give up something? Then trump will be called taco, Putin does something blatant again, trump's ego then gets hurt, Putin somehow sends a message to get back in line and then another plan in Putin's favour gets drafted.

AlgaeDonut

A deal with a country being invaded without that said country in the negotiated 😂😂.

This is the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever

SomeFood1000

skilliau

Central Europe wouldn't accept a deal over Ukraine's head even with previous US administrations. How do you think this is going to go down with Trump administration, huh?

rimbooreddit

Im not sure if it was included in this article since i cant read it due to being behind a pay wall but from what the Trump administration had said in other articles related to this matter is that this deal is considered live AKA fluid, and not set in stone. Since the Russians were the first ones to talk with the Americans, my guess is this is their so-called wishlist and it also indicates that the Trump administration really doesn't care who gets what, as Rubio said in an earlier statement, and just want out of this conflict.

Ok_Situation_7081

doha agreement 2 - never forget afghanistan

  
BUT also this is probably another nothing ever happens proposal that will be rejected by ukraine (rightfully) and russia will find some reason to just "walk away" like they have every other time, why does trump keep getting played like this?

terroristhater2001

They offer what is not theirs to give...let's find the reason why Russia exhumed graves in Russia and Jerusalem...
See what the opinion of the current situation is...wink...

49AKLogger

tl;dr a plan that was downgraded to living document and then to a draft, that would give Russia everything. 

Unless the situation on the ground is catastrophic, it will amount to nothing.

I read the peace plan. Sounds a lot like a US business deal to me. USA gets 100B dollars for their participation. They get 50% of revenue from investments. They also get a mineral extraction deal. In addition. Russia gets their assets unfrozen. The assets are added in a monetary USA-Russia development font. Russia is also re-admittet to G8.  Mean while, Europe pays 100B dollar to Ukraine development.

This all sounds like absolute bullshit to me. But it doesn't stop here.

Ukraines sovereignty has to be confirmed. Ukraine must withdraw soldiers from Donetsk and Luhansk territories which Ukraine still holds. The frontline is frozen in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, and Russia gets to keep that territory. A limit on 600.000 soldiers will be implemented to ukraines armed forces. Ukraine must also add to their constitution that they won't ever become a member of NATO. Ukraine must have an election no later than 100 days from when the memorandum is in effect. These points does not respect the first point: Ukraines sovereignty must be respected, and it will also require a national vote to change the constitution.

Russia has to withdraw troops from other Ukrainian oblasts that are not mentioned. Meaning Kharkiv, and Denipro.

Ukraine gets reliable security guarantees. Now, this one has me almost laughing. Because some of these points are VERY specifik. But this one is so incredibly vague, and it is one point that Ukraine has said they won't compromise.

All in all, the deal is: let's reward the USA for doing absolutely nothing to help Ukraine, and negotiating Ukraine surrender on behalf of Ukraine even though Ukraine never asked them to and certainly not their surrender. Let's also reward Russia for starting the war, and naturally, let's have Europe pay the entire bill because: Fuck Europe that's why!

SimonArgead

In other News:

Following the 9/11 Attack the USA is considering ceding parts of Manhattan to Al Qaeda to ensure a lasting peace.

JohnBPrettyGood

&gt;European Officials Reject US Peace Plan That Would Force Kyiv to Surrender ~~Territory~~ And Give Russia Everything They Want, With Europe Footing The Bill  

Fixed the headline.

SYLOH

Here's my own 9 step plan for peace, which is about equal in value as Trump's:

* Complete demilitarization of Russia
* Pre-2014 borders restored
* DMZ across the entire Russia border with Europe on the Russian side 
* Putin signs the agreement in the Versailles while world leaders point and laugh
* Russia pays complete reparations to Ukraine 
* Putin and his inner circle sent to Hague for trial
* All territory taken by Russia since 1939 (or 1914? I can't make up my mind) abandoned and returned to rightful owners
* Russia removed from UNSC
* Big party in the UN celebrating peace in our time 🥳

Decker108

What an embarrassing time to be an American.

windflex

MAGA are traitors, there is no question about it

RoyalJoke

They were right to reject it. 

I didn't read the proposed "peace-plan" because I knew it was a joke, but someone else did:

"I read the peace plan. Sounds a lot like a US business deal to me. USA gets 100B dollars for their participation. They get 50% of revenue from investments. They also get a mineral extraction deal. In addition. Russia gets their assets unfrozen. The assets are added in a monetary USA-Russia development font. Russia is also re-admittet to G8.  Mean while, Europe pays 100B dollar to Ukraine development.

This all sounds like absolute bullshit to me. But it doesn't stop here.

Ukraines sovereignty has to be confirmed. Ukraine must withdraw soldiers from Donetsk and Luhansk territories which Ukraine still holds. The frontline is frozen in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, and Russia gets to keep that territory. A limit on 600.000 soldiers will be implemented to ukraines armed forces. Ukraine must also add to their constitution that they won't ever become a member of NATO. Ukraine must have an election no later than 100 days from when the memorandum is in effect. These points does not respect the first point: Ukraines sovereignty must be respected, and it will also require a national vote to change the constitution.

Russia has to withdraw troops from other Ukrainian oblasts that are not mentioned. Meaning Kharkiv, and Denipro.

Ukraine gets reliable security guarantees. Now, this one has me almost laughing. Because some of these points are VERY specifik. But this one is so incredibly vague, and it is one point that Ukraine has said they won't compromise.

All in all, the deal is: let's reward the USA for doing absolutely nothing to help Ukraine, and negotiating Ukraine surrender on behalf of Ukraine even though Ukraine never asked them to and certainly not their surrender. Let's also reward Russia for starting the war, and naturally, let's have Europe pay the entire bill because: Fuck Europe that's why!" [End of comment]. 

Putin does not want peace. Peace means Putin gets out of Ukraine and returns home empty-handed. After 1 million + casualties, he is afraid to risk that. 

This is why Trump is pushing Putin's failed "peace-plan" *again*. With the developing information on the contents of the Epstein Files, Putin is simply trying to squeeze the most out of his asset before it's finally rendered useless.  

Why would you fold at the end when Putin is squeezing his foreign asset to its limit? After all the support from the U.S. and Europe all these years? That would be ludicrous. 

You stand firm on this one.

Bubbly_Measurement61

With the latest epstein mails revealing what pootins blackmail on trump might actually be, pootin decided to squeeze his asset to the limit before he becomes useless. 

He is trying to get trump to force a quick peace now, is what im speculating.

I base this on the fact that this latest round of “peace” talks came out of the blue and contradicts everything from the previous weeks whilst giving russia everything it wants.

So trump might be on his last, but im not sure vance will be better (for anyone other than peter thiel and his cult).

Positive_Chip6198

Its atrocious deal from EU and Ukraine perspective.

Ukraine:  
\-would be left defenceless and with huge territorial loses  
\-would need to PAY for security guarantees which are only imaginary as Trump reserves the right to make those invalid if they will somehow decide Ukrainian retaliation is not justified.

  
Euopean Union:  
\-would need to provide 100b to venture from which US will supposedly make a lot of profits  
\-could be left with compromised security and with another area of diplomatic frictions as point 9 is very ambiguous. Does it mean that no NATO soldiers should be on territory of Poland except Air forces?  


  
Russia:  
\-Gets everything they want and more

US:  
\-supposedly Trump wants peace but from this deal its more like he is trying to make  as much money as possible, Russia doesnt budge so his plan is to extract money from EU and Ukraine for being middleman. Peace is only side effect

RogueHeroAkatsuki

Point 10

- If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

Russia is well known for using false flag attacks. They would blatantly cause an explosion in one of these cities and blame it on Ukraine, easy opt-out.

Difficult_Bad1064

Jesus Christ. Imagine telling people during the famous Evil Empire speech from the 80’s that this would become America’s stance on European foreign policy 40 years from now. Absolute embarrassment and disgraceful , seriously. This admin has no shame at all. Trump needs to go YESTERDAY.

AdSouthern3403

US is no longer sending direct aid to Ukraine so they have nothing to cut off. EU defence industry is rapdily ramping up and can keep Ukraine supplied.
Guess the US just doesn't have the cards.

Different_Bad7239

Just get them to confront trump en masse. By the time they've finished talking to him, he'll have completely forgotten about his agreement with putin.

canspop

The fact the US thinks it has the leverage on this is ridiculous. Every insane move they try to make just makes the rest of the world move on without them

saichampa

It wasn't a peace plan, it was a surrender.

Conscious_Bug7902

Appeasement does not work.  Neville Chamberlain found out firsthand.  Russia already broke the key agreement with Ukraine after they handed over nukes.  They are not to be trusted.

Apprehensive-Drop770

So, Zelensky has to give Pooty a Bubba Special and in return gets to swallow? Great peace plan from the US Anal Prolapse

mclardass

You need no enemies if you have such friends.

NobleDiceDream

Not just any territory, the Russians want to be gifted several large cities ( Kramatorsk, Slovyansk ), the defense belt in the Donbas and some of the more defensible terrain in Eastern Ukraine ( as well as the substantial mineral wealth underneath ).

In exchange, they pinky promise not to invade through the open plains behind these former defenses up to the banks of the Dnister in the future.

When is the Trump admin going to understand that NOBODY is wanting to let Russia win this one except them??

gman757

Losing US intelligence wont matter considering its all compromised anyway, acting like the US isnt working against the Ukrainians is just lying to yourself, putin either has kompromat on trump or this was the plan all along.

Torracgnik

I wonder how many decades it will take for the USA to rebuild their reputation

TheWalrus8691

State of things as it goes: Russia and USA draft a peace plan (that is pretty much "russia gets all they want") and then EU rejects that plan.

Ukraine I guess.. is there in this whole story :P

veevoir

How about this one: Russia fucks off, pays Ukraine massively, and Trumps sucks a fat one

NvidiaFuckboy

We shouldn't even talk about this nonsense, probably just to distract from the Epstein debacle.

kjube

trump is YUGE on surrender agreements!! Just like he surrendered to the Taliban. He’ll do whatever his master Putin tells him to do.

Actual_Homework_9110

Trump: Pwetty pweeeeeese Ukwaine cant u just roll over and let big daddy Russia fuck you dead???? Pweeeeeeese Ukwaine??? Papa Pootin pwomised me he'd take me to DidneyWorld if u did......

BeelzeBat

I_Am_Ironman_AMA

Under no circumstances should any 'peace plan', alter Ukraine's boundaries.

maceion

PageSide84

jetelklee

If there was ever a deal that suggests US and Russia was in cahoots, this is it

tiford88

Trump and his associates should not be involved in any peace plan discussions. He is a Putin admirer and lacks the mental acuity and authority to negotiate on behalf of the Ukrainian people. If he had his way, he would willingly cede the entire country.

muffman81

Hey US, f u for electing that stinking fat pedo 

HitchensWasTheShit

If we give ruzzia lands and everything else that they demand, I promise you that we will see WW3 without question or the First European War. We need to continue sanctioning ruzzia and support Ukraine. We can't let fascism win again.

Necessary_Figure_761

Trump simply hates Zelensky and the whole of Ukraine because they refused to to his dirty work to defeat Biden and has and will never forgive and this is part of the punishment, the USA is just a vassal state of backstabbing pond life

Sensitive_Double8652

Disgusting. Ukraine is now under attack from not only Russia, but also the idiots running the US.

Prune74

Well at least someone has a fuking brain cell.  Unlike Mr.T

Conscious_Candle2466

I saw the draft proposal, doesn't seem like anyone even asked "European Officials" for their opinion on this one?

WhateverEctEct

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy faces a critical choice regarding a new U.S.-drafted peace plan amid rising pressure from Washington for Ukraine to make significant concessions to Russia.

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