Public sentiment is overwhelmingly negative towards Trump's proposed peace plan, which is largely perceived as a capitulation to Russia that undermines Ukraine's sovereignty. Many commenters express disbelief and anger at the prospect of Ukraine conceding territory, viewing the plan as self-serving and unjust, with a strong call for continued support for Ukraine's autonomy.

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From the article:

The plan, drafted without Ukraine’s knowledge, appears to be little short of a demand for capitulation.  The plan is aimed largely at curbing Ukraine’s military power once the war ends. It envisages a reduction in the number of Ukrainian troops to just 40% of the current level, with no corresponding cut on the Russian side. It would be barred from possessing several classes of weapons, including long-range systems capable of reaching Moscow and St Petersburg. No foreign troops would be allowed on Ukrainian soil. Planes used by foreign diplomats would be prohibited from flying to Ukraine, raising questions as to Russia’s intentions for Ukrainian airspace.

The demands are far-fetched. Ukraine’s forces have been battered on the battlefield lately, but Russia has not achieved a serious operational breakthrough since 2022. Military analysts do not see Ukraine’s position as being so desperate that Mr Zelensky would need to agree to such punishing terms.

It is not obvious what the aim of devising such a plan might be beyond embarrassing Mr Zelensky.

AlexandrTheTolerable

Apparently this is the 28 point plan. A Moscow wish list and Americans sinking to new lows.


1. Ukraine's sovereignty will be confirmed.

2. A comprehensive and comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.

3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further.

4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.

5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.

6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.

8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.

9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.

10. US guarantee:

▪️ The US will receive compensation for the guarantee.

▪️ If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee.

▪️ If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked.

▪️ If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.

12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:

a. The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centres, and artificial intelligence.

b. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernise, and operate Ukraine's gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.

c. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernisation of cities and residential areas.

d. Infrastructure development.

e. Extraction of minerals and natural resources.

f. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.

13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:

a. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.

b. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centres, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.

c. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.

14. Frozen funds will be used as follows:

$100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine's reconstruction. Frozen European funds will be unfrozen. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.

15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.

16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.

17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty.

18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

19. The Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.

20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programmes in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:

a. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities.

b. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education.

c. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.

21. Territories:

a. Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognised as de facto Russian, including by the United States.

b. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.

c. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.

d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarised buffer zone, internationally recognised as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarised zone.

22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.

23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.

24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:

a. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis.

b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.

c. A family reunification programme will be implemented.

d. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.

25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.

26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.

27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.

28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.

Creativezx

Explain me like I’m 5yo. How russian proposal enact law to not invade Ukraine should work if according to their laws they didn’t invade Ukraine? And all these bombing of kindergarten and massacres spike in Bucha and Izum are just a “special military operation”

inokentii

This plan is meaningless and will be rejected one way or another. The fact that you still don’t hear curses from the Ukrainian authorities about it is because they are controlling their emotions, aware that this is an attempt by Trump to portray Ukraine as the side unwilling to make peace. Although it is obvious to everyone that such a 'peace plan' is actually capitulation, and that is unacceptable.

_Avocado_public_hair

Trump will change his mind tomorrow. As said by Stephen Colbert. Trump is the world’s most dangerous toddler.

TallExplanation1587

Didn't Trump say that he '*understood the conflict now*', and said Ukraine should take everything back? The consistency is... lacking.

squirtcow

This plan very CLEARLY paints future relationships between USA and Europe.


And how USA sees future world order.


I would say this plan is the END of TRANSATLANTIC ALLIANCE.


The NATO is no more. As USA is interested is promoting it's relationships with Russia at cost of NATO alliance. 


The fact that one of points is 




3. "It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further."


Another point is a direct extortion from Europe.

    14. Frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specifi
c areas. 


USA gets 100bln from frozen assets(frozen where?) and keeps 50%


Europe PAYS 100bln.

grafknives

Yet another reminder that America is no longer a friend and ally of Europe.

We're on our own, and will most likely be for the foreseeable future. Gotta get our shit together.

Nisiom

If you take a look at the financial side of it, it becomes clear: this is about punishing EU for the Russian Invasion. 

100 billion in frozen Russian assets in US: 50% to Ukraine, 50% to US. EU gets to 'double that' with a 100 billion 'contribution', with again 50% going to the US.

US gets to pull infinite money out of Ukraine and EU gets to foot the bill.

Finwolven

I feel like Ukraine should just make an absurdly maximalist proposal of their own: Russia hands back all territories plus a buffer zone carved from Russian territory. All reparations paid. All kidnapped children returned. Putin removed from power and handed to The Hague. Nuremberg-style war crime trials. Partial demilitarization of Russia.

If Russia can start with "everything we could ever want" as their proposal, why shouldn't Ukraine? Meeting in the middle makes much more sense that way.

jailbreak

That's just Russia's demands again, this peace deal is just trying to strong arm Ukraine into unconditional surrender. The previous guarantees didn't stop Russia invading 3 years ago, punishing the victim is wild (until you remember Trump is both a predator and a Putin puppet), and having peace talks without one side at the table, especially when it's the victim, is just bonkers...

But Trump does what his boss says...

Realistic_Let3239

Is this the third or fourth attempt to pressure Ukraine into a shitty deal? Just a month ago Trump stated the Ukraine should and could take back all lost territory. Then he wanted to supply tomahawks - but actually not. He’s an imbecile.

Radicularia

Let’s be real. This isn’t a serious plan.

This is obviously unacceptable to Ukraine, and when Zelensky says ‘no thanks’ because that is the only viable option, Drumpf can say ‘see! Ukraine doesn’t want to end the war!’ So the US can pull all funding and weaponry.

Trump is a Russian asset. Has been since day1. 

The only thing we can do, is pressure our European leaders to step the fuck up, grow a fucking spine and tell our people ‘this is going to be hard, but a future where Russia acts with impunity will be harder’ and move without the US. More funding, weapons, shooting down ANYTHING Russian that violates Ukrainian airspace. 

Russia was a paper tiger even before the war started. They’re dragging rapists out of prison and North Korean slaves to the front because they’re so short of manpower, and preparing tanks from world war 2 because they’re so short of vehicles.

Europe can defeat them easily, if we actually had any politicians with any courage to act decisively.

Background-Ninja-763

Magnificent_luck

handing over weapons for peace didn’t work out great last time

Jealous_Crazy9143

President Zelenskyy will pretend to agree, insert some corrections and russia won't accept it.

GreenEyeOfADemon

It’s a plan for Kremlin employee to make his boss proud and for the employee to get real estate deals again

Nothing more

mariuszmie

Any peace plan without requiring putin to hang in the Hague cannot be taken seriously.

Basic-Still-7441

Ending the Ukraine war is trivial.


1. Put the borders back to pre-war locations.
2. Grant Russia 100% ownership of the United States of America.


I can almost guarantee Putin would take this deal in a heartbeat. 

dgkimpton

Putin's wet dream. I've never seen such capitulation in my lifetime. Trump is pure scum

FreedumbHS

We can be thankful it's not 1943. Trump would make peace with both Germany and Japan, and call it the best deal ever for the world and for the 'Merica.

Only-Book-64

This American administration is such a joke, and what makes it even more pathetic is that we europeans are so weak.

Swanky-Pants098

Atskitakesson

It's a big chunk of s*it, designed to: 

1.Put pressure on Ukraine, to get full surrender and basically all of Russia's demands after they lost the "first Ukrainian war" (the, attempt to take the whole country in the beginning months of the conflict). Trump will get money and/or be secure from some potential dirt Putin has on him. Putin gets his "victory" that he can sell in the domestic market, and time and cash to prepare for a new invasion a few years in the future, for any BS excuse, against a much weaker defense. 


2.If they don't accept it, provide justification for Putin to continue the war indefinitely, which, absent a surrender like option 1, is really good for him and keeps his power (and life) intact.

3.Demoralize and weaken Europe.

throwawaythatfast

The best chance for peace is to remove Trump and put the US presidency under more stable control

Hellstorm901

Burgler (Russia) breaks into house. Hey don't do that, but ok you can keep the stuff! Next time they leave the door open but don't break in! Promised?

krisluc

Going in circles, because Trump is a demented old man who can't remember what he said yesterday, and half his advisors are on the Russian payroll.

GnaeusQuintus

If you give time russian to *rest* soon Europe will collect money to defense Poland, Moldova and try come back Latvia, Litva and Estonia from russian ocupation 😭

Strange-Thanks-44

This deal should get as much consideration as Trump gives the Constitution: none.

Undernown

I was actualy in shock to see that a convict with 6 failed business including a casino would make such stupid proposals.

ProfetF9

kfijatass

I think this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. This means only, that we have to cut every gas and oil import from Russia and pull all stops from arming Ukraine and ourselves. Then continue fostering renevable energy at home Europe and relationships that are best for us europeans. As sad as it is, US is toying us europeans... 

And while we're at it, Russia and US might be expected to blame us for nazism/fascismo for being patriotic, for being pro-eu or pro-homeland. Don't listen to them. We know best what is good for us. And we have to take care of Ukraine.

Thrownhighwayman

Russia back in the G8?

The G7 has been criticised as a waste of time and money for years, them being back will the be final nail in the coffin.

diacewrb

Just read it. There is absolutely no chance of this being accepted and I don't even think Witkoff is quite that incompetent that he would imagine this would be accepted. The deal also includes a lot of obligations to EU which obviously Ukraine is literally unable to accept. 

Basically it's a proposal that Russia gets almost everything they want and EU gives a lot of money to USA.

jaaval

Important-Cry-4433

Maybe turn G8 with Russia into G2 and all normal countries form a G6.

Own-Science7948

Proposals are all nice and whatnot, but for them to work, you need to have rational countries. There is nothing rational about russia, it's a shithole with a gas station.

BudgetPhallus

This is an absolutely terrible deal. Russia gets everything they want. 

I would love to know what Putin has on Trump that such sway is held over him

Reintegration in to the world economy and joining the G8 is a spit in the face.

ShezSteel

This is why we all need to vote these fks out of office instead of staying home and doing nothing.

Muneco803

It should be mentioned that this plan is a huge danger to Europe and future of NATO (eg bullet 4 or bullet 6)… This just opens doors for Russia to try to renew its power sphere over Baltics, Eastern and Central Europe - remember their demands to remove NATO soldiers from countries which weren’t in NATO by 1997…
Not to mention the horrendous economical articles or the one about forgetting Russians war crimes.

If EU / European countries accept this plan, we are truly only a doormat for US and barbaric underdeveloped Russia. And I am afraid it will happen because no European leader has any will or courage to do something about it… they are able only of empty phrases and being “horrified”…

meda2207

Trump is so evil, doing in Ukraine like this. It's the most hateful foreign affairs actions he has done. My heart goes out to Ukraine. What can we do?

Sure_Ad_1012

Putin's puppet and Putin come with a peace plan for Ukraine 😂😂😂😂 the jokes we get to hear these days

PrincipleHot9859

If they change it a little bit with strong security guarantees then why not?
We’re tired of this war and fake smiles from everyone.

Particular-Award5225

This is ridiculous. For more than three Europe does not get its act together and now they make a surprised pikachu face that nobody is taking them seriously. Time for Ukraine to develop nukes or some other kind of weapon of mass destruction.

NeighborhoodFit3847

I don't get it, why everyone so eager to talk about this capitulation plan, like it somehow different from bunch of previous such papers, non of which saw light of a day in the end?

OlesDrow

Ukraine is steadily losing on the ground. The U.S. doesn’t want to be involved much longer. European countries say they support Ukraine but are really dragging their feet now to help funding next year’s war needs. 

Unless the situation the battlefield changes somewhat dramatically, the longer Ukraine waits, the worse deal it will get. 

This particular proposal sounds like the proposal to resettle people from Gaza to third countries, quite outrageous but sets the tone; and when a lighter version will be announced, it will seem more reasonable and start garner more support.

alkbch

Jey3349

This is unacceptable for ukraine and for the eu. Means total surrendering, if there are no hard security guarantees and limitation of the armed forces in 2/3 years once russia rearms itself ukraine will cease to exist and european security will be at a higher risk than it is now.

I mean this also send a terrible message for the US asian allies. How confident are they now of US support in case of a shooting war with a major superpower?

Electrical_Crew7195

American administration clueless..... God how far america has fallen

Adventurous_Hand3705

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/nov/21/europe-latest-news-russia-ukraine-war-updates-zelenskyy-putin-g20

&gt;The third point of the 28-point plan reads: “It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and Nato will not expand further.”

&gt;“It is expected” is a clunky passive construction in English. The Russian version – ожидается or ozhidayetsya – makes more sense and is a familiar verb form.

&gt;Other Russianisms that appear to have crept into the text include неоднозначности (ambiguities) and “закрепить” (to enshrine).

 12:32 CET

You can thank Luke Harding from the Guardian for figuring it out.

KernunQc7

Holy fck this is absurd. USA can go fck himself, Europe need to step in and show Russia the way out. That disgusting rotting country should be isolated not welcomed back regardless of peace deal. This is unacceptable.

Quasarrion

Russia could be the first country to lose a War, yet still win.

Figueroa_Chill

One issue I keep seeing people gloss over is Ukraines manpower issues. Realistically the longer the war goes on the more Ukraine is going to struggle to keep their lines manned. Their facing a desertion crisis, I don't see how Ukraine can win without biting the bullet and drafting men all of its of age men or consider drafting women.

historybo

A plan concocted between master and servant. I can think of no good reason that Ukraine or any of its non-American allies would accept this plan.

Its DOA. We can call this plan the **Putin Trump gaslighting plan**.

It really only has one goal, to help Trump steer the many negative narratives ongoing against him in America somewhere else.

lifeisahighway2023

This sounds like a proposal that Putin and Trump drew up in their free time

Puzzleheaded_Oil_768

Isn't this just more of the same? The idea they should just give up something? Then trump will be called taco, Putin does something blatant again, trump's ego then gets hurt, Putin somehow sends a message to get back in line and then another plan in Putin's favour gets drafted.

AlgaeDonut

A deal with a country being invaded without that said country in the negotiated 😂😂.

This is the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever

SomeFood1000

skilliau

Central Europe wouldn't accept a deal over Ukraine's head even with previous US administrations. How do you think this is going to go down with Trump administration, huh?

rimbooreddit

Im not sure if it was included in this article since i cant read it due to being behind a pay wall but from what the Trump administration had said in other articles related to this matter is that this deal is considered live AKA fluid, and not set in stone. Since the Russians were the first ones to talk with the Americans, my guess is this is their so-called wishlist and it also indicates that the Trump administration really doesn't care who gets what, as Rubio said in an earlier statement, and just want out of this conflict.

Ok_Situation_7081

doha agreement 2 - never forget afghanistan

  
BUT also this is probably another nothing ever happens proposal that will be rejected by ukraine (rightfully) and russia will find some reason to just "walk away" like they have every other time, why does trump keep getting played like this?

terroristhater2001

No one has a right to limit the size of Ukraine's army.

FirstWave117

&gt;⁠A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO mediated by the USA

The United States are a NATO member and thus can not possibly be a mediator between Russia and NATO.

Potential-Leather965

A lot of this hinges on the assumption that Russia will play by the rules, and with the clause that a Russian invasion would involve a military response… what’s the difference between that and NATO? I don’t see how either Ukraine or Russia would agree to this. This whole thing is ridiculous.

Nicholas3412

This was what was agreed in the 1990’s - then Russia invaded Ukraine twice.

Trump sucks so hard…at negotiations.

EDIT: except the part about tech and paying the US.  A country smashed by war really needs some data centers instead of…rebuilt housing and cleaning of mines so they can grow food.

JimJamBangBang

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Well this obviously a pro-Russia load of shit but I'm bored, so: 


1. It was confirmed in the Budapest Memorandum. Look what that got Ukraine.


2. What "ambiguities"? Whether or not Russia should be allowed to carve off chunks of neighboring countries?


3. Bullshit to make the two seem equivalent. NATO is a voluntary defensive treaty. Eastern European nations should be free to join it if they want. Invading sovereign nations is already considered illegal under international law. How will this in anyway restrain Putin?


4. Vague and meaningless 


5. As it would with NATO membership. 


6. Ah yes, with a large standing army Ukraine might do something crazy like invade and annex its neighbors. Obviously this is meant to allow for an easier second war in the next few years. 


7. Dictating to NATO who can and can't join is certainly a strategy. Under any other US administration, this would be an obvious nonstarter.


8. It never has, but I guess as long as we're making sure Ukraine is ripe for conquest in a few years, might as well go for broke.


9. Poland is a member of NATO? What does this even mean.


10. So Ukraine will pay protection money to the United States, and when Russia invades again all they get is the promise of a "coordinated military response" and more sanctions that haven't stopped Russia yet. 


11. Obviously EU membership will be a goal of Ukraine, but "right to membership" isn't the same thing as "will be made a member". 


12. Ukraine should absolutely be given international assistance to rebuild, but this seems like giving them crippling debt payments while international corporations strip them of natural resources. Also Russia doesn't seem to be on the hook for any of the damage.


13. Okay, if Russia were to end their invasion, this is fine. 


14. Okay, there's the "Russia pays for damages" bit, but still a caveat that the United States can skim some off the top.


15. No seat for Ukraine?


16. LMAO oh good, "legally enshrined" non aggression. Putin would never break the law.


17. So we're going to obey existing nuclear nonproliferation treaties? Cool, I guess 


18. Ukraine also agrees to abide by NPTs. Although why Ukraine might decide they want nukes is beyond me... 🙄


19. Oh, free power for Russia? Why not.


20. Seems largely performative, and mostly so Russia can cry later about how they're being portrayed as bad guys for starting a war. 


21. Russia gets to keep its conquered territory and Ukraine has to abandon a strong defensive position.


22. Pinky promise that *neither side* will start an entirely unprovoked war in the future. Neither. Side.


23. Russia won't break international law. Kind of them to specify.


24. This seems fine. No faith in the implementation 


25. Is 100 days really enough time for Russian a disinformation campaign to sway the election?


26. Again *both sides* are given amnesty for war crimes. Both. Sides. Both equally guilty of war crimes. 






TL;DR: It's punitive in nature towards Ukraine and doesn't hold Russia accountable in any way. It also sets Ukraine up to be unable to defend itself from future attacks. They would be almost entirely reliant on Russia obeying the terms of the treaty, and on a generous reading of their obligations by the United States.

FreeBricks4Nazis

Yeah, Russia has such a great history of honoring non-aggression pacts. Totally trustworthy on this. 

Ukraine would be out of their minds to accept these terms.

NoOpening7924

Half of these points paint Ukraine as the bad guys here wtf

MapleHamms

ricketyladder

TL;DR step 1, give Russia everything. Step 2, beg for Nobel prize.

transcendental-ape

Anything that allows Russia to keep Ukrainian land is wrong and should be outright rejected. Those concessions alone make this whole thing a win for Russia and will only embolden future Russian aggression.

SeraphiM0352

”Land of the free, home of the brave”. ”Arsenal of democracy ”. ”standing up against bullies ”.

Thorus_Andoria

Russia hasn’t played by any other rules over the last 30 years. They won’t start now.

AdOne5089

Shit deal. Russians can’t be trusted to adhere to rules and agreements.

* They’ve committed countless war crimes and need to be held accountable.
* Putin deserves the Sadam-Gaddafi spa package.
* All land stolen since 2014 should be returned to Ukraine.
* Fuck this noise.

Cobalt460

I don't know what Putin has on Trump, but it's a lot...

Bywater

joking750

Damn_You_Scum

goldenspeights

Trix_Are_4_90Kids

It’s not a peace plan without Ukraine. It’s the aggressor making demands that will afford it nothing but an opportunity to make further advancements later. That’s always what “peace” has meant to Putin. 

Russia has been in a full blown wartime economy. That’s not going to end. It can’t. So Russia not going to stop. The plan was always a break in the war to build up for round 3. Putin didn’t just change his mind overnight about his plan - the eradication of democratic Ukraine. He just needs a break. This is all this is. 

Putin does not care about agreements. He went through the Budapest memorandum, Minsk 1 and 2, and multiple “ceasefires” and deals just the last few years. I don’t get why people keep giving Russia the benefit of the doubt.

slipknot_official

As an ordinary US citizen, I say that Zelensky should give trump a middle finger. Sounds like a deal made by putin and drumpf.

Competitive-Habit-82

AnnArchist

Even setting aside all the nonsense this deal asks of Ukraine, this whole thing is insane.


&gt; The US will conclude a long-term economic cooperation agreement aimed at mutual development in energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centers, rare earth metal mining projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities



Why in the world would the US invest in and help Russia develop something with as many military applications as Ai? Its not like Russia wont instantly turn around and sell anything we help them with to China.


&gt; ⁠A full and comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine, and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered resolved


This could mean a lot of things, but seems leaning towards recognizing Russian occupations of other European countries, such as in Moldova and Georgia.


&gt; $100 billion of frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to restore and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this enterprise. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the volume of investments available for Ukraine's recovery.


The US looting Ukraine's recovery efforts is obscene enough, but demanding Europe pay us as well is a whole other level of nonsense.


&gt;  ⁠It is expected that Russia will not invade neighboring countries, and NATO will not expand further


This is basically meaningless when it comes to Russia, since not invading other countries is the baseline minimum expected behavior of every country under the UN charter, and its ridiculous that NATO would make any concession for a non-binding agreemenz that Russia will break the instant it thinks it can het away with it.


&gt; All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and banned


This is basically fine (in practicality, probably means dissolving the Asov Battalian and related units, which kinda sucks for Ukraine, bit also this deal demands they cut their military in half anyway) but is very funny that we are demanding this at the same time we are also threatening EU countries with sanctions for trying to enforce bans on Nazi activities on social media.

houinator

So, all of  #12, along with #14, shows that this fight was permitted to go on long enough to ensure the US government got a whole lot of money (Billions and Billions) to help rebuild Ukraine with US-led corporations (see Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait, etc) and to be able to distribute the frozen Russian funds (Billions and Billions), along with EU contributions (more Billions) to do all of this. 

And they say the US government doesn’t have the world’s best interest at heart!!!

KhaoticKorndog

The whole thing is bullshit 


Why the fuck should Ukraine have the size of it's military limited?


&gt;⁠Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees


Yeah cause that worked so well for them last time. They should have kept their nukes

JohnMichaels19

So this is basically selling out both Ukraine and the U.S.' security in exchange for a personal win for Donald Trump.

I gotta ask the Americans in here: how does it feel to be sitting in the cuck chair as you watch the President sell your security for personal gain?

ForMoreYears

What happened to the security guarantee Ukraine already had in place with US, UK west when it gave up soviet nuclear weapons 

teachbirds2fly

Not sure you understand how war works. 

If someone breaks into your house and threatens to take your kids, it’s not the time to lay down and say “oh my god, big pharma profits off people getting punched in the face”.

I can give you a million reasons why it'll never happen, and a million more why it shouldn't happen, but the idealist in me thinks that the only acceptable way for the Ukraine War to end is in the unconditional surrender of all Russian forces the removal of all Russian forces and Russian sympathetic citizens from Ukrainian territory, a return to pre-2014 borders, Russians are going to pay for the entire war, war crimes charges against senior Russian leadership, and EU and NATO membership for Ukraine. 

Russia would also be forced to give up all of its territorial claims in Georgia and Moldova.

thattogoguy

External-Dude779

TLDR:
- Ukraine **gives up** and **recognises** Donbas
- Russia **gives up** some small pockets of occupied land in other territories (like Kharkiv, Sumy)
- Russia **promises** to not attack Ukraine or Europe 
- Ukraine is **prohibited** to join any military alliance 
- Deployment of foreign forces to Ukraine is **prohibited**  
- **All Western sanctions are lifted**
- All warcrimes are forgotten

Shitload of things are given up for a *promise*.

BlackMarine

what have you americans voted for lmao, pure madness.

GT7combat

Wow, Trump is trying to give up NATO’s freedom to admit new members?

sneaky-pizza

This is a huge loss for Ukraine.

Ukraine has no guarantees for security outside NATO.

mechtechuy

Krasnov finally delivering for his boss in the Kremlin

C_Ironfoundersson

I really hope Europe will be able to step in and save Ukraine if we end up pulling our support. Hopefully they’re in a better position now to back them up than in 2022.

Steamsagoodham

Fuck trump and fuck this agreement. We all know Putin‘s playbook he doesn’t give a flying fuck about sanctions. He will continue his aggressions and the Ukraine and the rest of Europe guaranteed.

Choice-Pudding-1892

It is a distraction from russia and american's that are russian aligned. They do not expected Ukraine to accept this ridiculous proposal. If Ukraine accept this it is a victory for russia and if Ukraine dont, then the russian aligned american's can now completely stop support of Ukraine which I believe it the realistic goal that the russians have.

MoreThenAverage

This seems like a dumb and poorly thought out deal. As of right now, the USA is still a member of NATO and can't really be a mediator between NATO and anyone else. 


Limiting the defender's ability to defend themselves is dumb. 


Russia gets what they want in terms of Ukrainian lands and a significant say in essentially all their future foreign policies. 


Is this the deal that Ukraine wasn't allowed to participate in?

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Former President Donald Trump has proposed a peace plan for the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, asserting it is not a 'final offer' despite criticism from Ukrainian officials and concerns about territorial concessions.

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