Public sentiment towards the proposed UK immigration reforms is largely negative, with prevalent skepticism, distrust, and frustration towards the government's intentions and capabilities. Many believe the reforms are inadequate, performative, and do not genuinely address immigration issues, expressing feelings of betrayal and fears of potential discrimination against particular immigrant groups.

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Snapshot of _UK Immigration Rules Reform: New Contribution-Based Model Targets Almost 2 Million Migrants_ submitted by novagridd:

An archived version can be found [here](https://archive.is/?run=1&amp;url=https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-immigration-rules-reform-new-contribution-based-model-targets-almost-2-million-migrants-1756838)  or [here.](https://archive.ph/?run=1&amp;url=https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-immigration-rules-reform-new-contribution-based-model-targets-almost-2-million-migrants-1756838) or [here](https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-immigration-rules-reform-new-contribution-based-model-targets-almost-2-million-migrants-1756838)


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Well that's good then, might solve some of the public's issues 

Competitive_Golf8206

Will EU nationals still have access to benefits or will this only be if they gain UK citizenship?

Macca80s

I just simply don’t understand why the spouses of British citizens are being lumped in here. My wife (who works full time, owns property, speaks fluent English and is the mother of our daughter) and I are facing having to pay ~£5k every 2.5 years to keep renewing her visa and paying the NHS surcharge.

The spouses of British citizens should get ILR immediately, conditional to the continued marriage with citizenship after five years. The numbers are tiny compared to those who came on work visas and the family of those people. We’re being caught up in the pandering of the main political parties to people who will not be happy until they feel there are few to no foreigners in the country.

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I think they wont be able to achieve anything they want on immigration. They will likely stall processing like the Tories and those that come here will get stuck in a limbo state which will result in spiralling costs because they have no real plan and will have a cabinet consisting of mostly new mp's with no government experience.

Few-Catch-Fish

It depends on what they're willing to sacrifice to achieve their aims. They **could** just ban immigration entirely and immediately mass deport people, but of course that's going to have very real consequences on the economy extremely quickly.

Their plans indicate they couldn't give a fuck about the economy though, so fuck knows what they'll do. 

They'll rip up basically any regulations brought in over the last 30 years including any human rights or workers rights and we'll have roughly the same rights as somewhere like Hungary. Of course they'll have their own version of ICE.

AnonymousTimewaster

Most likely, there'll be some performative cruelty directed at immigrants, and immigration will go down a bit, especially at the higher end of the income/skills ladder where the immigrants have more options.  Then various industries will complain about labour shortages, and if their bosses are the kind of people who might donate to Reform, the government will do some industry-specific deals; immigration goes back up again.  This is the sort of back-and-forth you see in Italy under Meloni, for example.

That said, Reform might choose to make an example out of certain immigration-dependent industries.  Academia comes to mind as an example: if the government blocks most/all of the foreign students, then a bunch of universities go into a fiscal death spiral, but that's a good thing for a Reform government, because they and many of their voters actually hate British students too, and would rather young people went straight into lower-skilled jobs or did National Service or something.

Someone from the IEA recently said the quiet part out loud: the ideal situation for right-wing politicians and those who fund them isn't a low-immigration society, it's the "UAE model", where you have lots of immigrants but they're never able to become citizens or access welfare, and in practice don't have labour rights either.  On the other hand, foreigners who are too rich to need a job can live and buy property wherever they like, and you make sure your country is a welcoming environment for these "high net worth individuals".

incompetent30

Reform is an empty party, who exist on the power of right wing reactionary memes, social media, and content. They don't have actual policies that can be tried or done. So it does leave the question of what actually will be done with a Reform government. I think they will basically surrender the British state to American corporate and right wing interests. Whatever forces that had created Trump's policies and governance, because obviously he is unable, will create British policy and will be adopted whole cloth. Other areas that they have little interest in will be run of the mill Osbourne austerity. If the Starmer government is done entirely in managing the right wing media, rhetorically, a Reform government will be a mouthpiece for right wing social media. Very much like we see from the hard right of the Tories.

Metalorg

If Reform were to win the next election,  which I doubt, there would be chaos.  Reform would form a government  made up.of inexperienced MPs and Ministers. It wouldn't  be long before they found out that their populist policies would be practically, politically, and economically  unachievable, which would make them deeply  unpopular very quickly when people realise they've been  conned by empty  promise merchants. Remember Brexit,  brought to you by Nigel Farage who said Brexit  will give us back control, no more immigrants,  less red tape, our economy will boom again he said. And  look what's happened. The same will happen  under reform.  Nothing.

Mobile_Falcon8639

The most likely outcome, honestly, is them not doing anything about immigration (if they solved it, their base has no reason to vote for them anymore), they appease the rich for 5 years and then they beg to be voted back in to sort those migrants out!

Thinking behind this: 
- Migration Paradox, the rich want migration, right wing parties represent the rich
- In practice, tories spent 14 years promising to deal with migration and did not.

Xemorr

This party wants to make my wife pay £5k every few years until she dies because they will abolish ILR and not allow her British citizenship unless she renounces her Brazilian citizenship, which understandably she will never do.

Farage and his company (literally) can go fuck themsevles, as can all his supporters. Wankers.

Jeremys_Iron_

Good question. What does the dog do when it actually catches the car? 


Something like Trump's USA I expect. You can't close the border, but you can increase restrictions and make a big deal of performative cruelty. ICE UK is something to expect. 

SOCDEMLIBSOC

ICE seems a bit beyond "token" actions.

Trump has enough soft power to persuade other countries to take the various deportations. Reforms going to have a harder time time doing that. Unless the 48th president supports Farage. Farage has mentioned Afghanistan for deportations, that's a bit more than "token cruelty"

Ok_Personality7488

For illegal immigration, which their voters care most about, not very much. It's easy to shout criticisms of the current government, but, as Labour is finding out, it is much more difficult to effectively announce meaningful change. If there was an easy way to "stop the boats" it would have been done already. To think otherwise means you aren't interested in the reality we face. 

They will have more power over legal immigration, but the economic consequences of cutting this will be huge. Large industries in the UK such as the NHS, higher education, and care are propped up by mass migration of low paid workers. Farage knows this reality so I doubt he will meaningfully cut legal migration.

Slugdoge

All the Reform voters will get their wellies, gloves, aprons on and go and do these job for nothing, for the good of the country.

Because they're all patriots, and thats what patriots do.

Right?

cheeseley6

It’s a ladder. The first rung is being sold to voters who should know better, that if we stop the boats, their lives will be better. 

They’ll stop the boats, and people’s lives will not improve, as it’s not the boats that stopping you from getting a GP appointment. So they’ll then move on to rung two of the ladder. 

Next will be other first generation immigrants being encouraged to leave. And when there’s still no well paid work available, and people’s lives have not improved, we’ll go up again. 

Next? Could be brown-skinned 2nd generation immigrants being told they’re ’un-British’, or just Muslims more generally. And when people still can’t find affordable housing or rent, and their lives have not improved, we’ll search around for another scapegoat. 

Leftists, communists, trade unionists; they’ll all be on the ladder. But none of these groups being targeted will make the lot of the working class any better.

OMorain

I get where you are coming from, but migration (which I am supportive of generally), the care worker visas and the gig economy have really harmed this country. Wages are being deliberately suppressed which care companies (running homes and agencies for profit) love. I want being a carer to pay £14 ph minimum, I want delivery drivers on full-time contracts with sick pay, I want people paid for every hour they work.

Make conditions better for citizens so that there is less need for migration to fill low paid jobs. Migration has its place, but its being used to provide cheap and exploitative labour RN

One thing I do know as a minority, we will see a LOT of skilled Black and Asian Brits leave the UK. Call it Hijrah, call it relocation, whatever, but everyone I know seems to be working on an exit plan right now just in case. Its what the Reform supporters want deep down (an England for 'natives' i.e. White English) but it will have a huge knock on effect in education, dentistry, healthcare etc

Electronic_Fan7491

I’ve never heard of Taleb.

But they are agreeing with the economic consensus that has seen Britain get poorer and poorer.

Is it not possible they might actually be wrong and if they’re not what’s the risk anyway

niteninja1

I think they will put rushed policies out and let the people deal with the unintended consequences because “you voted for us”

bobsyourdaughter

They won't be able to get laws through the house of lords.

The majority of peers still understand why we have, and comply with, international declarations on the treatment of refugees and asylum seekers.

Many are very educated immigrants themselves, that would have been granted the visas that Reform are trying to get rid of.

Effilnuc1

GreatMusician

I’m more worried about how they think they’re going to “stop the boats”.  Torpedoes?

Lumpyproletarian

Worse than Trump, since UK has the peculiar institution of parliamentary sovereignty.

If reform wants to shoot small boats, or exile every illegal immigrant into the English Channel before shooting, they can as long as parliament is on their side. If reform wanted to outlaw other parties, they can specifically legislate to do so.

His only check will be the delaying power of the Lords and King Charles himself.

evilcherry1114

I moved from UK to America and I can vouch for what Trump is going to make it safer over here. You need a Trump.

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They will do everything the US is doing, in lock-step.

Max_Wattage

I reckon they will go down the token performative approach. Farage is a fan of  US policy. Many of their  also love a scapegoat to make them feel better about their lives

0that-damn-cat0

Why does lower rates of unskilled immigration cause inflation? Because there is a lower supply of labour than there otherwise would have been, and firms therefore need to pay more for unskilled labour.


This is good, actually. There's a reason why traditional republicans in the US are so pro immigration - they see people as fungible units of labour.

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The (other) problem is that once everyone's white there needs to be a new enemy to root out. Theres no end to it.

MetalGearSolidarity

Lol I also tried to post this article in one of the main UK subs and it got deleted. 

But no you’re right, they’re very brazen about it now, they see ‘remigration’ as inevitable. It’s about ‘cultural values’ and they’ll often decry other cultures as being anti-women or anti LGBTQ, despite the biggest threat to both those groups coming from Reform and its representatives 🤦‍♀️

It’s exhausting, I’m getting worn out from arguing with them about it. I’m here in the UK because I love living in this country and I want a secure home with my wife. Our only other option is the US, which we absolutely don’t want to touch as we’re queer. The whole situation is so upsetting.

throwawayjustbc826

I remember reading about two Scottish fuckwits who went down to join a “protest” in Newcastle, and got told to “fuck off back to Scotland”.

This won’t end with asylum seekers or immigrants. It’ll move on to people from EU countries, Scottish Welsh and Irish people, the LGBT community, anyone with disabilities. It’s a very long, very slippery slope and our history books tell us what the bottom looks like.

LexyNoise

Is it white? I think its all non Brits right?

Sure they have a hierarchy of racism and clearly muslims are at the very top of that. But I think they want everyone who isn't British gone?

TheKomsomol

The current UK government is already on a visa revoking spree, is just as racist as the Reform party. 

I know of two families in the UK, who studied in UK, working very good jobs, who are less than a year away from Permanent Residency, had their visas cancelled. Their sponsor license was suddenly revoked, causing them to lose their jobs.

They came to the UK legally, followed all laws, paid taxes, their children study in schools, and now they are being forced out, leaving their lives they had built behind them.

gauharjk

Yes, this isn't a controversial take in far right thought circles I am afraid to inform. Listen to Nick Fuentes on Rumble (a thought leader in US on 'alt right' politics) - he and others like him have been saying this for 10+ years. They believe America (or in this case UK) is a white country only. 

A lot of people in the country aren't able to share empathy for their fellow man outside of these racial lines sadly - especially if cultural and ethnic changes in society take places over mere decades - our reptile brains just aren't evolved well to feel 'comfortable' for that quick a shift. Remember we come from tribes who only knew the same tribe for 10s of 1000s of years in our social development. It takes a high degree of human empathy, (look up Kohlberg stages of moral development) that on average only 20-30% of people reach, to look past superficial tribal constructs and respect and trust someone as a true equal who is different &amp; believes differently to you. Distrust and fear is the default for many, over love and understanding which often we must nurture in ourselves. 

In short, many people are sheep who think they will never get along with black sheep. One way around this is for effective assimilation over an appropriate length of time that the majority come to understand that 'those people' actually are fundamentally just people like ourselves. If people's lives and material conditions are abundant, fair and just - this also quells our preference for distrust and fear - hence the principles  of left wing ideals!

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I think, if you're paying attention, you're quite obviously not the problem. 

The problem is (predominantly) Muslims coming over here, not working, and trying to force their culture on us.

That said, you don't need to threaten to leave. Just leave.

Cunting_Fuck

I don’t think anyone has a problem with anyone who integrates and contributes to society. People have issues with those who stay only for welfare or refuse to integrate with British culture and values.

Please don’t feel marginalised

mcgrimes

If you don't like it, go home. This is our home and it's been given away to foreigners by successive British governments and it's high time that changes.

As soon as it stops being beneficial for you to live here you have somewhere else to go. We don't.

theyareallgoinghome

This believe that 'ermygod reform don't like foreigners', has been peddled by the left to, as always' to discredit anyone who doesn't want to vote for the uniparty. 

As someone else has said, reform are the only party who speak out about mass, low skill, third world immigration, who come here with backwards cultures and ideas and take for granted the UKs welcoming nature. 

Nobody, and I repeat nobody, wants to see people like you leave.

You make it seem like people are shouting at you, as you walk to work - yelling:   "Go back to Brazil"

Gimme a break man, you know this is not the case, and it has never even happened to you.  Stop being a drama queen.  If you have been here for as long as you say you have, you know damn well what the problems are with illegal immigration.  Many Italians feel the same way, as we do in Great Britain as well.

You're playing the victim instead of looking at the actual problem people are complaining about.  Illegal immigrants put an unfair burden on LEGAL immigrants, not the citizens, who are upset they entered the country illegally.  Any legal immigrant who came here the right way, and is contributing, should be just as angry at the people who break our immigration laws, as the native population.  It's bullshit that so many people pay thousands on Visas, while illegals can just break the law, and be treated like royalty, without paying a dime.

CommonSenseAgent

You'll obviously always be an outsider in the UK, I got an American greencard and they're nice to me but I'm an outsider and I'll die one. "OH MY GOD ARS YOU FROM ENGLAND???" "What do you think of the royal family?"


Whenever I'm there that is my life, I'll die with it being my life. We can't delete the foundations of who we are, we can't become something we aren't. So ya you'll always be an outsider to a degree, that's the price of leaving your home, even worse than that after a while home doesn't even feel like home anymore and you become somewhat homeless.


Will you though be welcome here as a financially contributing Brazilian? Sure no one cares, South Americans are a funny meme and people welcome them. They hate Africans, Arabs and Indians, particularly ones who come on boats, don't be one of those and you'll be fine. 
My wife is Mexican/American, she ain't ever had any issues in the UK. Ironically its those same suspects who suffer the racism in Mexico and the USA, they can't catch a break.

No-Championship9542

Mate, not only do you eat Bacon Butties but you have yours with Brown Sauce (the only way imho). You are as British as any of us (and I speak as a granddaughter of Italian immigrants).

You are not being targeted and I’m sorry you feel that way, you’ve been here for almost 20 years, speak our language, work hard and have made friends.   You are self-reliant and ambitious, you are the type of honest, decent person we want here.

HotelOk9725

My story is similar.  
I am a migrant as yourself but have been here 5 years longer, the last 15 years as a British citizen.  
I have been a Reform UK member for a long time.  
I don't feel that way you posted at all. And I have a suspicion that you don't feel it as bad as you portray.  
IMHO, it is a pure disinformation spread by MSM, which tries to demonise Reform and its members and supporters.  
In my local branch, there are members with roots from around the world. And we all feel love for this country, which we all call our HOME. I personally deeply care about this country and would fight for it if needed.

I don't think you have anything to worry about. There are always and everywhere people who would have a problem with you, and this phenomenon is not limited to the UK.  
In your Brazil, you can be that guy from another favela... the same way as you are from a different postcode in East London.

Nowhere is perfect, but this country is the closest to it; we just need to get it back on track.

MatterHot408

As a Brazilian who also lives in the UK, just… stop. It’s embarrassing. It’s clear who shouldn’t be here, and we’re not one of them, even more so when you’re contributing to this nation, not just taking away from it.

mmmfine

I absolutely don't see you as part of the problem. You are welcome to a British passport.

What people are upset about is the net migration numbers primarily over the last few years. They have risen substantially. Particularly as no political party have been honest about their intentions. You sound like you have integrated really well. This hasn't been the case with migrants from other parts of the world with other religious beliefs which are different to our own.

horationel123

Immigrants like you are highly valued in Britain.  It‘s those that come to live off benefits that are the issue.

Pristine_Routine_464

Yes - you’ve come here legally, bought into our values, contribute to society and have built a life here - that’s all we (you included) should ask of people who want to come here. We want people who WANT to be British.. That should be the minimum expectation of a person when they go to live in another country and it’s not an unreasonable ask. Race plays no part in the conversation. 

You are not at all who the immigration policies are aimed at - if you feel excluded it may be because the media keep throwing racial stink bombs out into the public domain and misrepresenting our policies - deliberately seeking out racist Neanderthals to interview on TV and using them like they’re the spokesperson for Reform UK. 

Please take some time to read through reform’s policy document, and then when you become a citizen please use your vote !

YetUndetermined

I'm an immigrant I'm proud to call UK the UK my home. I've never felt treated like a foreigner. But it is clear the UK is too laxed on its immigration policies and importing anyone from the creme of the crop to the bottom of the barrel, and unfortunately, a lot more from the bottom of the barrel bringing in terrible culture and refusal to integrate.

I came here to escape a horribly religious and conservertive culture to one that is more open and accepting, that is ironically so open that they willingly import a lot of that same culture I escaped from. I do not want them here either. 

I can see the deterioration of British culture, and this group that refuses to integrate will be its undoing. We must put an end to it. Integration into British culture is a necessity.

GodEmperorDrDoom

These manufactured victim monologues are really getting quite embarrassing now. Sorry. It won’t work.

SpecialLegal6271

Unfortunately reform has a tendency to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Maybe some will say you're the exception but what will the policies really be?

IEC21

You’re obviously not the problem and never was
Think you might be over thinking it

MyGodImHandsomee

If you have a settled status, surely you're ok? I know that for Europeans with settled status they have nothing to worry about. Outside the EU, I'm not so sure.

Uranus-Hunter

You're here legally, you are not the problem, 

  
The illegals need mass deporting, not people like you, you should be a member of reform and show your concerns.

THEXMX

It's sad that high quality immigrants are identifying into the problematic category. Please do not listen to the rhetoric from Reddit and the media that all immigrants are the same. On this sub it will be abundantly clear that this is not how those who support Reform and its policies see the world.

ExtensionRound599

Voting Reform makes you racist apparently. Any person of any colour or background etc who contribute and integrate are no issue at all to most Reform supporters. We just want our safety back and keep the same rights we’ve only ever known. We don’t want criminals or people who only live here to leech off the tax payers money. While the British and people such as yourself pay into the system. The increase on tax because of people leeching is becoming a joke. More hours worked, more tax and less money. Our children, women and even attacks on men are becoming the norm. It’s not you or anyone like you. It’s the people who are trying to push religion, rules that shouldn’t be in our society. Do not leave the UK because of Reform, the message and cause is distorted by the left. Contribution into our society and tax to help our NHS etc will always be welcome here.

Dear-Gas848

These reform wankers are the minority.
The majority welcomes you with open arms brother.

Fine_Appointment4908

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Survey: https://ukhomeoffice.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_1yMmiaG7zqwPuM6


Details of the government's proposals:https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/earned-settlement

Ok_Internal118

The UK government is proposing significant changes to immigration rules that would extend the period for migrants to apply for Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) and implement new criteria.

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